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All this discussion about if its legal or not for known club members with the authority of the CFI to carry out check rides for compliance of club rules. It still dosn't change the fact that the majority of schools in the UK do it. And to be honest I really can't see the difference between private group members doing check rides and club members if there is no payment involved and the pilot is inside 90days.
And the FI's at these schools have nothing to do with it. Its purely a CFI's call. The FI's on this forum will have no affect on these people. If it is illeagal as you say BEagle (which by the sounds of it its in a boarder line grey area, (wouldn't be a problem in Jock land but England and wales it would) the only way it will be stopped is if the Belgrano actually issues a notice to all CFI's. I certainly wouldn't have a problem if you brought it up at a standards meeting and got something done about it. If the powers that be don't want to do anything about it so be it. And I don't see FI's moaning because they will have to do more flying.
CFI's might moan because plane usage might go down a bit and they possibly have to hire more FI's. But again its not really a concern for your normal FI.
And thinking about it the europa demo team don't all have FI ratings and they are charging costs for having a shot in the europa. So thats charging full price and having a non FI teach/check on a permit to fly aircraft......
I stayed well away from them that day
MJ
And the FI's at these schools have nothing to do with it. Its purely a CFI's call. The FI's on this forum will have no affect on these people. If it is illeagal as you say BEagle (which by the sounds of it its in a boarder line grey area, (wouldn't be a problem in Jock land but England and wales it would) the only way it will be stopped is if the Belgrano actually issues a notice to all CFI's. I certainly wouldn't have a problem if you brought it up at a standards meeting and got something done about it. If the powers that be don't want to do anything about it so be it. And I don't see FI's moaning because they will have to do more flying.
CFI's might moan because plane usage might go down a bit and they possibly have to hire more FI's. But again its not really a concern for your normal FI.
And thinking about it the europa demo team don't all have FI ratings and they are charging costs for having a shot in the europa. So thats charging full price and having a non FI teach/check on a permit to fly aircraft......
I stayed well away from them that day
MJ
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DFC, is absolutely correct that an FI should be able to pick up any dangerous 'tendancies' even on a few circuits.
Since most people are likely to kill themselves because of their attitude towards flying rather than their skill level, this is something you can see easily in how they plan and pre-flight the a/c. This is as almost as important as how they fly when you are on board.
I personally feel that only FI's should be allowed to do 'checkouts' for all the reasons others have stated before, unfortunately I don't think that it is 'illegal' for a non-FI to do these 'checks.'
I have often wondered about the legality of companies giving Demo's of their 'planes. I never realised that they charged and I assume that this is beyond the pail. Charging for a demo? If my local car dealerships started doing that, then they would never get anybody through their doors!
Since most people are likely to kill themselves because of their attitude towards flying rather than their skill level, this is something you can see easily in how they plan and pre-flight the a/c. This is as almost as important as how they fly when you are on board.
I personally feel that only FI's should be allowed to do 'checkouts' for all the reasons others have stated before, unfortunately I don't think that it is 'illegal' for a non-FI to do these 'checks.'
I have often wondered about the legality of companies giving Demo's of their 'planes. I never realised that they charged and I assume that this is beyond the pail. Charging for a demo? If my local car dealerships started doing that, then they would never get anybody through their doors!
MJ - careful with your last paragraph. You might be making false accusations.
Personally I cannot agree to the concept of CFI-mandated Club '28 day checks' being carried out by non-CRI/FIs, irrespective of the 90-day recency rule. If any check is needed, it must be done by a properly qualified person. Mutual PPL flying by agreement is fine; to force someone to do so isn't. But 28 days seems very draconian; even I only require 42-day recency. If Club pilots go outside that, they just have to fly a quick trip (exactly as DFC describes) to prove that they're no danger to themselves orto anyone/anything else - with an authorised instructor!
There's a world of difference between a private-owner group with its own internal agreements and a club with ac generally available for hire.
Personally I cannot agree to the concept of CFI-mandated Club '28 day checks' being carried out by non-CRI/FIs, irrespective of the 90-day recency rule. If any check is needed, it must be done by a properly qualified person. Mutual PPL flying by agreement is fine; to force someone to do so isn't. But 28 days seems very draconian; even I only require 42-day recency. If Club pilots go outside that, they just have to fly a quick trip (exactly as DFC describes) to prove that they're no danger to themselves orto anyone/anything else - with an authorised instructor!
There's a world of difference between a private-owner group with its own internal agreements and a club with ac generally available for hire.
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