John Farley's new book
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If you have the luxury of buying the book you want locally, by all means 'support your local bookseller'
Bit silly to pontificate on the virtues of such when some of us overseas have no choice.
Bit silly to pontificate on the virtues of such when some of us overseas have no choice.
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From: Brisbane, Australia
John Farley's book
Hi All,
Anybody know how I can get hold of a copy out here in Aus? I worked on the Sea Harrier at Boscombe Down back in the early 80s and would love to read John's story.
Regards,
Clive Tudge
Anybody know how I can get hold of a copy out here in Aus? I worked on the Sea Harrier at Boscombe Down back in the early 80s and would love to read John's story.
Regards,
Clive Tudge
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From: West Sussex
Long awaited !
John is doing a signing at the Farnborough FAST museum tomorrow - Tuesday 9th - 14:00 to 17:00.
I hope you don't mind me mentioning this John !
I am in no way financially or otherwise related to J.F. or his publishers ( I understand Seagers are organising this one ) except that I had the honour to work with and for John at Dunsfold - a very tough act to follow as I've let more than one 'boss' know !
I am not a pilot, technical photographer.
Sorry about the late notice, my P.C. finally croaked - a phone call first might be a good idea for anyone travelling far but Seagers seem very friendly - self, Father & Uncle are all going, we all worked for J.F !
D.Z.
I hope you don't mind me mentioning this John !
I am in no way financially or otherwise related to J.F. or his publishers ( I understand Seagers are organising this one ) except that I had the honour to work with and for John at Dunsfold - a very tough act to follow as I've let more than one 'boss' know !
I am not a pilot, technical photographer.
Sorry about the late notice, my P.C. finally croaked - a phone call first might be a good idea for anyone travelling far but Seagers seem very friendly - self, Father & Uncle are all going, we all worked for J.F !
D.Z.
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From: Long ago and far away ......
A lot of 'discussion' here on the merits or otherwise of various sources for books. Here is a place I use fairly often:
AbeBooks Official Site - New & Secondhand Books, New & Used Textbooks, Rare & Out of Print Books
Whilst it may not be relevant to John Farley's new book, I don't doubt that some of you will find it useful for other rarer and unusual stuff.
It is a portal for all sorts of book suppliers and is often the only place I can find out-of-print or similar books. I guess it works in a similar way to the 'Available from these sellers' link when Amazon perhaps don't have the item you want. The great thing is it includes loads of small dealers, all over the world, and whilst the focus is probably on second-hand books there are many new ones as well. And the new ones have often disappeared from the larger retailers, so you have a chance to get a copy.
I used the site to track down a very good second-hand copy of an out-of-print book (that had only first been published in 2001!) in a bookshop in California! The crazy thing is that this hard-cover book, with P&P, came to half of what some UK dealers wanted for their copies of the second-hand soft-cover version! I also had another book shop in Washington offer to go through their several copies of a book I was after, and put together the best dust-cover with the best hard-cover book and send it to me at no extra charge. So, you can get some really personal service and help support these dealers.
If you are UK based, like me, you may wish to tick the " UK First" box in the search requester on this site - that will put available UK-based sales at the top of the search results. As I have indicated above though, sometimes the best deals are not necessarily the ones closest to home.
AbeBooks Official Site - New & Secondhand Books, New & Used Textbooks, Rare & Out of Print Books
Whilst it may not be relevant to John Farley's new book, I don't doubt that some of you will find it useful for other rarer and unusual stuff.
It is a portal for all sorts of book suppliers and is often the only place I can find out-of-print or similar books. I guess it works in a similar way to the 'Available from these sellers' link when Amazon perhaps don't have the item you want. The great thing is it includes loads of small dealers, all over the world, and whilst the focus is probably on second-hand books there are many new ones as well. And the new ones have often disappeared from the larger retailers, so you have a chance to get a copy.
I used the site to track down a very good second-hand copy of an out-of-print book (that had only first been published in 2001!) in a bookshop in California! The crazy thing is that this hard-cover book, with P&P, came to half of what some UK dealers wanted for their copies of the second-hand soft-cover version! I also had another book shop in Washington offer to go through their several copies of a book I was after, and put together the best dust-cover with the best hard-cover book and send it to me at no extra charge. So, you can get some really personal service and help support these dealers.
If you are UK based, like me, you may wish to tick the " UK First" box in the search requester on this site - that will put available UK-based sales at the top of the search results. As I have indicated above though, sometimes the best deals are not necessarily the ones closest to home.
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From: northants
Well I have read the book, and enjoyed it. As I am exRAE and was involved with the Harrier development and Hermes trials it was good to read about the good old days. As a PPL John has certainly provoked some thinking about my own flying. Thanks John, when is the sequel?
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From: Hampshire
I seem to remember a year from the time the last "Tooms" went back to the crabs ,?79,the 2 Seat Harrier G-VTOL,driven by one John Farley,together with a Kestrel with Harrier Hard Points,and a GR1 with a Sea Harrier Radar nose,were the some total of the then Fast Jet FAA establishment,which formed 799 Squadron.JF must have been flying all day and everyday Old Salts giving experience of things to come!I dont know how many trips "Jock Gunning" got!!!!!!!The 2 Seater was only on loan from Dunsfold,as there was nothing else available!!Defence cuts never change.
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From: BOURNEMOUTH
Hello all, first post for me here; vaguely on topic too!
I missed one of John Farley's lectures earlier this year, and would really like to attend one soon. Does anyone know what lectures he'll be making this coming year?
(I found out one takes place in April but it's at Lossiemouth which is a bit too far from Bournemouth to travel for one lecture! It's listed here: RAeS Conference and Events Department - Lectures)
Phil.
I missed one of John Farley's lectures earlier this year, and would really like to attend one soon. Does anyone know what lectures he'll be making this coming year?
(I found out one takes place in April but it's at Lossiemouth which is a bit too far from Bournemouth to travel for one lecture! It's listed here: RAeS Conference and Events Department - Lectures)
Phil.
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From: Hampshire
Phil,
John is giving a lecture to the Gosport Aviation Society on 21st April 09. The Society meet at Stubbington Snooker Club in Stubbington, Hants and is easy to find from M27 Junction 9.
Picked up a signed copy of his new book last evening at the above society meeting.
John is giving a lecture to the Gosport Aviation Society on 21st April 09. The Society meet at Stubbington Snooker Club in Stubbington, Hants and is easy to find from M27 Junction 9.
Picked up a signed copy of his new book last evening at the above society meeting.
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From: UK
the Hooligan?
Before proceeding with the main question I'd like to ask why is John Farley's book not quite available at amazon.co.uk. It says it's out of stock which I thought it's a bit odd for a brand new book.
Had the pleasure of attending a lecture as a mechanical engineering student at the RAeS in about 1997-8 I believe by John Farley with a topic on VSTOL and vectored thrust.
Anyway my main question to Mr Farley is regarding 'the Hooligan' as detailed in Sharkey Ward's book on the SHAR in the Falklands. I believe he was Lt Cdr David Poole. I've always found the chapter on flying Phantom in Ward's book very interesting. At one point he says that when he was the senior pilot of 892Sqn Dave Poole returned to the squadron after his ETPS course (apparently that was in the early '70's) and he was able to beat Ward soundly in a fully developed slow speed scissors. Ward claims that Poole learned the tricks at ETPS. Was there an F-4K airframe at the time where one could experiment with slow speed maneouvring or was this just Poole's ability which Ward confused for ETPS trickery?
Given his disdain for test pilots I guess that the lesson from ETPS (if indeed Poole learned the tricks there) served the frontline well since Ward then instituted a low level ACM programme with these lessons being practised regularly. I've searched around and found an FG1 airframe (XT597?) with the A&AEE at Boscombe Down. Is that the aircraft in question?
Also wasn't the same pilot (Poole) involved in a SHAR crash in the middle of the Falklands war while testing it back in Britain?
Had the pleasure of attending a lecture as a mechanical engineering student at the RAeS in about 1997-8 I believe by John Farley with a topic on VSTOL and vectored thrust.
Anyway my main question to Mr Farley is regarding 'the Hooligan' as detailed in Sharkey Ward's book on the SHAR in the Falklands. I believe he was Lt Cdr David Poole. I've always found the chapter on flying Phantom in Ward's book very interesting. At one point he says that when he was the senior pilot of 892Sqn Dave Poole returned to the squadron after his ETPS course (apparently that was in the early '70's) and he was able to beat Ward soundly in a fully developed slow speed scissors. Ward claims that Poole learned the tricks at ETPS. Was there an F-4K airframe at the time where one could experiment with slow speed maneouvring or was this just Poole's ability which Ward confused for ETPS trickery?
Given his disdain for test pilots I guess that the lesson from ETPS (if indeed Poole learned the tricks there) served the frontline well since Ward then instituted a low level ACM programme with these lessons being practised regularly. I've searched around and found an FG1 airframe (XT597?) with the A&AEE at Boscombe Down. Is that the aircraft in question?Also wasn't the same pilot (Poole) involved in a SHAR crash in the middle of the Falklands war while testing it back in Britain?
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From: Bath
Before proceeding with the main question I'd like to ask why is John Farley's book not quite available at amazon.co.uk. It says it's out of stock which I thought it's a bit odd for a brand new book.
If anyone wants to know where to buy it in the meantime pls PM me.
Best regards
Ian
