Ezy Crewing, Working 12 hrs without break
 

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At the moment Crewing Officer is working 12hrs shift and sometimes longer hours without break. Crew call us for info but unfortunately, we cannot help it`s such a big mess. We are only 2 on duty to manage the following Base LGW,LPL, LTN, EDI, GLA, BFS, GVA.

I have to say morale is really low.


Please, Please, Please management help us out...........

Management help !! You do indeed need help but will you get it :rolleyes: Do other airlines treat their ground staff like dogs? Be interested to hear. I personally don't get breaks during 12 hr shifts, but with 3 aircraft I'm hardly in a position to complain - or am I ?

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If only...

I've done a number of 36hr shifts without a break and our company puts people on standby duty for months on end...

the name ?

...starts with Royal, ends in Force

12hr shifts are the rostered norm for our ops staff, granted crewing don't do the 12hr stints but the ops staff are 7-7 24/7 365 etc. As long as you aren't doing too many 12hr shifts in a row I don't see the problem , we do 2 days, 2 nights and then 4 off.

Enjoy

Box

Box J 99

Your missing the point. What the YC is saying is there are 2 of them working flat out for 12+ hours, without a proper break.
Your talking dealing with a lot of crew and a lot of problems.
2 Staff is not enough to deal with EZY's operations. Might be ok for 2 Ops Staff to cope but not Crewing...

YC - Good luck

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different air force
 

fomere2eternity i must have been in a different air force to you! the longest shift i ever did was 15 hours. though when i was on the harrier force i slept in the ops wagon and often got woken in the wee small hours, but 36 hours on duty, bit excessive wouldnt u say? and as for 12 hours without a break well whos faults that? i dont think stelios expects u to die for him so take breaks, if people get annoyed with you for doing do well tell them why. why do airlines have this mania for 12 hour shifts?

canb

Ahh - those delightful nights under the stars in the FWOC wagon. Never did get the hang of sleeping on those b****y chairs :D

CM

yes 12 hours may be the norm in the aviation industry but when you are short staffed it is almost impossible to take a break of any kind, because if you do you come back to twice the work, having lost the plot to all the disruption thats happened in your absence. Can't see the situation improving until the go-merger when the new structure will give an indication as to how much man power/resource is required. Hopefully then there'll be a new shift pattern, preferably 8 hours with enough experienced staff to manage the fast expanding fleet..... Lets hope there'll be light at the end of the tunnel yankee charlie.

...was that a hint there might be jobs !

HELP - I'm here in the tower with the mask on !

:confused:

VP8
 

Could be!!!

Air Foyle Heavylift have just lost one of the ops guys on the AN124 side.....

VEEPS;)

Hey Veeps, has the salary dropped yet again to below £17k ;)

Hey Viking long time no here.

Nah on the paydrop although there is a disparity between various bods which needs seeing to or there may be a lot more vacancies!!

Watch this space.

VEEPS ;)

winge winge winge winge winge

I dont think morale is at an all time low at ezy crewing, okay we are under staffed and under pressure but hey welcome to aviation.

Not taking a break on a 12 hour shift is your own fault not the management.
Okay so you may come back to more problems, however if you dont do it the management will not listen.

As for changing from 12h shift pattern to 8h shift pattern no thanks, i like my days off.

mmm jc who could you be ?:D :p :D :p

INTERESTING POST

I AM CURIOUS ABOUT
HOW MANY CREWING CONTROLLERS PER CREW MEMBERS ?

I CURRENTLY WORK FOR A CHARTER AIRLINE AND WE CONTROL JUST OVER 350 CREW PER 1 CONTOLLER ON SHIFT. IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY BUSY SUMMER SEASON. OOPS FORGOT TO SAY ON WRITTEN ROSTERS. SO 12 HOUR+ SHIFTS A NORM WITHOUT BREAKS.
WHATS STAFF LEVELS LIKE IN YOUR AIRLINE?
:eek:

OPS GIMP So, who do you work for then :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey Walla, who the hell is No Sig :cool:

Walla me'ol

Stop talking out'a what u ought to be sitting on.:D

Morale's lower than a rattlesnake's bits right now,
and has been for some time.
Not sure whether the merger will improve things,
but it sure as hell can't get any worse
(OR CAN IT??);)

As for the "don't worry about taking breaks, just do it" attitude,
fully agree.

Problem is, to quote the immortal bard,

"It's hard to look for repellant when yr up to yr bits in alligators!"

Plus the fact that the pressure exerted from various heights on those who DO take breaks makes everyone feel kinda guilty.

Always remember "Slice a vein, and they'll want an armful"

COUPLE OF HINTS IN MY POST

CHARTER AIRLINE AND BOURNEMOUTH

Hey Ops Gimp.

Was yr grandad Merlin???:D

Laugh - I nearly cried :D

Hey Walla, are you on the same planet as the rest or are they all stressed out and you ain't :o

Well Said Walla
 

Over here in the Land in the Sand, it's 12 hour shifts too,
2day, 2nights & 4 days off rotation.

I can't remember of ever having a proper break but
you simply can't beat having 4 days off.

Work hard, play hard & there's no better place than right here
if any of you guys want a new challenge?

Hope things improve for you EZY guys !

Cheers 3 Off The Tee :rolleyes:

viking 9,

can't mention names for obvious reasons,however, he holds the same post as you did in our last company.

As for the planet, we are all on mars.
I don't find it stressfull here sometimes under pressure but its all good character building stuff .:)

OPsgimp,
one controller and one officer to oversee all ezy brit and swiss crews.

ezydruid,

You are probably aware of the saying "sympathy is in the dictionary between sh*t and Syphilis"

Airbob2k,
You are quiet, hows life at that up and coming airline in BIG...NOT

walla

Ah ha, I know who you mean. Send me a private message, I have some gossip for ya.......:rolleyes:

hey walla sounds as if you are still having fun apart from all that nag nag nag who needs breaks anyway .

hey viking 9 how goes it :D

opsmonkey Do I know you by chance ? Walla must ahve been on nights last night - it's gone quiet :D

crewing
 

whats a crewing dept? come and work for BA citiexpress and then your crewing problems will seem insignificant and trivial.

Swap u any time Marlowe.

U try juggling 271 flts a day, crew patterns that
have more in common with the landscape of the Somme, or Emmental cheese than an attempt to run an airline, and a management whose orbital path only intersects with that of
good old Mother Earth once in a lifetime.

After that, crawling over broken glass would seem like fun.

:(

Eazydruid we have a crewing dept that looks at a map of europe spots BRISTOL on the map then finds FRANKFURT, thinks well its only six inches or so on the map lets get a crew to DRIVE there and allow 3 hours to do it! They even asked a crew to DRIVE from jersey to Guernsey and this is a crewing dept based on an island!

ah memories of crewing.... I once overheard a new crewing girl tell a new hostie "yep that's it, LGW-BAH then taxi back" - the odd thing is, the hostie believed her :eek: No wonder the white tops are moving to Germany.......;)

ezydruid,
168 flts STN,EMA,BRS,GLA,EDI 27 B737
1 crewing officer, 12 hr shifts no problems with crew communication, if crewing wants a break Ops can help out for a while.
our crewing patterns a little more solid and cohesive than yours (but that might change) and as for management, well its been ok, but, again that may change.
Good luck to us all in the future, we'll probably need it.
Rgds PP

I can see it all changing - for the worse......... I wish you Go guys and gals all the best.:rolleyes:

Hell VIKING9
it's only what you make it. onward and upwards, and lots of alcohol thats my format for a good shift.
Rgds PP

paperpusher

what if you don't drink !!!!! Crewing ain't stressfull anyway, it's mind over matter. Keep ahead of the problem, stay calm and plan your day as best as you can. If all else fails SCREAM !!!! :D

Viking9
your right, mind over matter, I dont mind, and the rest don't matter, if all else fails, yes scream..
Seriously your post is right stay calm, keep your mind focused and with a little help from the team around you you'll get through.
Rgds PP

Paperpusher

That's a first, Ops answering a crewing phone!.. Frequently i've answered the Ops phone when they are all asleep on nights and Crewing still working but vice versa - no chance...

Marlowe - heard that Chity Bang Bang Express is that bad, so ezydruid you might want to stay where you are...

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Paperpusher.
Ref future: Amen to that.
Must get "unofficial night out arranged soonest for
both "teams".

Ref Crewing schedules : I could comment, but then someone
would have to shoot me:D

Seriously though, yr comments just prove that it can work
when the "coal face team" is given half a chance.

Finally:
Mr Angry.
Wind yr neck in. There are some who spend more time answering the crewing phones than covering their own jobs.
I'm sure that if positions were reversed, they'd bail yr rear out of the flames without a second thought.:p

Ops asleep on night shift - gasp - never! :D

ezydruid
 

Leave it the workers and we will get along fine...
I did have a conversation with an Ops guy about 3/4 weeks back about a social, I e-mailed our lot, all up for it, sent some dates back but never got a reply. We'll be one and the same soon and with a bit of luck we will have a coming together party..
Rgds PP

Hello.

No offence to anyone, but I was unhappy with a position I had at a.. "bournemouth Charter" and I said something.. I am now in a postion that i fell a lot happier in.

Its never confortable to talk to higher mortals than yourself, but sometimes it has to be done!..

Management aren't mindreaders and yes "sometimes" they are actually busy to notice you being "unhappy".

Maybe if you lot focased some of your energy into talking to those higher beings instead of whinging on pprune(lets face it we all do) you might actually get what you are looking for, or at lest an answer which make you fell more "comfortable".

OPSGIMP... hmmm.. that takes a lot of thinking to know who you are! (shhh.. sectret safe with me)

Cheshire

What if mismanagement are aware of the shortfalls and still nothing gets done,it gets to the point if now one else higher up the food chain gives a flying 4ork why should the plebs on the front line bust their balls to keep the operation running.

Well thats the privellages they get for being management, there are always things that appear "never getting done".

(i.e I still haven't got uniform 4 months after first ordering)

Thats just one of those facts of life!

You just have to nag and nag........... and if its effecting you as much as you say it is then make it your responsibility to ensure your boss doesn't "forget".

And dont bust your balls!!!! let them see you are struggling they wont realise otherwise.