I Think Manchester Handling are doing the checkin/dispatch and Ringway Handling the ground

Eastern are a totally seperate diffrent business model from FlyBe. Why do you think they would be interested? J41's are not what flybe would want

Eastern are a diifernt business model from flybe
 

That may be right but they compete on almost all of Easterns routes. And Mike Rutter (flybe Chief operationg Officer) was quoted in the Aberdeen Press & Journal saying that he is specifically targeting Eastern Routes.

BA have, for at least the last 15 years, regularly gone out for quotes for ground handling at their UK regional airports (i.e. not LGW and LHR). The quotes are always for all BA GH. All the big boys have quoted numerous times.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Swissport NCL are the only GH agent handling BA mainline in the UK and this is an historical issue going back many years from the formation of NorthEast Handling with ex BA staff.

Airfrump:

Only route Flybe compete with Eastern on out of ABZ is LBA.

Unless Flybe are planning an all out assault soon.

Is intresting idea but can't see FlyBe providing the business class service with the same schedules that Eastern provide. Eastern and FlyBe both compete IOM - BHX although BE only have one flight a day...

I thought this thread was about BA ground staff in the regions, not about who owns eastern or which routes flybe may be after or am I confused? I just hope Tesco staff don't bang on about taking over Asda or undercutting Netto I couldn't handle anymore of that.

Thats a point.. Started because Manx Regional handle BACON. Just have to wait and see what happens there. Good luck to the rest of you what ever you choose to do

Also Lba - Sou, Bhx-iom And A Few Others And Soon To Be Inv - Sou, Inv, Bhx And Inv - Man

Stick to the topic
 

airfrump and red 17!!!

Hear Hear couldn't agree more:ok:

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Wednesday 21st March 2007 D-Day
 

Finace manager who produced figure of £850 per shuttle turn around is due to meet unions on wednesday to prove his figure correct,
word has it he is way off the mark but we will see.

I hope all stations have been doing their figures for the union reps to produce?

If BA are proved wrong and we can compete(with aviance) but they still won't budge, I hear its off to the share holders to show our case from a financial point after all BA are after making money not losing it.

Does anyone know if the money being paid to regional staff is coming of the profit already made, thus making the ERP not hit its mark for a pay out?????

Latest is the finance bloke won't be there, have BA bottled it? they know they can't prove were too expensive :mad:

Jarvis making out a business plan to BA is a good idea but a waste of time! Once BA get a plan in its head it just does it regardless! you have to except that BA want to outsource its Handling, It makes things so simple for them no dealing with unions, no department to run internally no cost to them except the agreed contract cost with the handling agent, then if things are not going as they wish, threaten said company with not renewing contract and put contract out to tender, hence they have total control over there ground handling BUT without all the hassle that goes with internal handling. Its sad but BA internal ground handling is dead .

BHX Groundstaff
 

Well in BHX from Sunday until June 5th when all ground work is handed over to Swissport, the BAR groundstaff will just be boarding/arriving 5 ERJ 145's and 2 ERJ 195's so we have had to learn the Flybe Shares System and check-in is optional if we choose to learn it. Which will benefit anyone wanting to go to Flybe/Swissport.

Interesting times lie ahead and hopefully a severance agreement will be reached ASAP so we can start moving on!

Are there any other regional staff elsewhere been told whats happening to them yet?

MAN
 

Well in MAN from Sunday we will no longer be handling BAConnect/Flybe Just Maniline and our 3rd party stuff plus any RJ100/146 aircraft as they are BA City flyer... All overtime has been canx....just got to get on with it with what ever staff are on duty even if there is not enough:=

IOM
 

Manx Regional Boarding and meeting flights with Flight Support check-in for LGW and MAN. Flight Support running the show for BHX and SOU when it starts, sounds like it could get messy... lets hope not.

BRS
 

Last day today at BRS. Should have been a clean break, and everyone taking their redundancy packages and moving on, but for some reason we have to go in on Tue,Fri and Sat for the next 6 weeks to handle GB BRSTFS FOH only. All ex-BACON routes gone as base closed, and all the other 3rd parties now with Servisair. Anyone from GB know why we have this extended death?

GB

GroundBunnie
 

Its probably because the notice of the ending of the ground handling contract was only given to GB on the day of the BACON/Flybe deal. Therefore the notice period has to be worked.

Railgun

I know the 60 day notice has to be worked, but why have the other 3rd parties, AirSouthwest, Eastern and Brussels been subbed off to Servisair, instead of working the notice. Their notice period would have been the same.

On Tuesday, there'll be 10 staff in the terminal to check-in and board one 320. Totally over the top. All everyone wants to do is take the money and move on

GB

First Day Of Flybe BHX T2
 

What a morning I had today! First we were late to board the first Flybe flight due to lack of communication of who was actually doing it, swissport or BAR. Turns out we are boarding/arriving all the ERJ 145 movements.

Its hard to explain how today was apart from a communications shambles between BAR/Swissport/Flybe but hopefully we will all have learned in time for a busy shift tomorrow.

I only wish we had also finished yesterday cos it is hard seeing all the changes and dragging us through it all is just causing people more emotional stress on top of everything. Bring on the 5th June!

All gone quite been on holiday for a week or so what's the latest???:confused:

Edgehill, Willy doesnt care how the pax are being treated they are not BA pax anymore they are Flybe pax or other carriers pax, The regions are no more, the only pax that they care about are pax that are willing to go through London. As for BACON well none of the ground handling staff ever took it seriously, well it wasnt real BA was it? the times that it took groundstaff 20 mins to get to the stand to offload pax, or there being no ground power available, or even after being told on approach that wheelchairs would be required they never appeared and staff saying "oh we were not told" perhaps if you had cared more about pax then????

BRS Closed - well nearly
 

Still getting an average of 20 pax per day arriving at BRS to get extinct BACON flights. Even though we're closed, still having to handle disgruntled pax who booked last October, and claiming that no-one had told them.

GB

Marlowe

Dont tar every airport with the same brush the handlers on the IOM both when they were BA (3years ago) and now as MR were always polite punctual and proffessional shame that like so many others they were dumped on by the likes of WW

hmmmm thats why it was called plastic BA by groundstaff then!

Edgehill ,you assume that i have no sympathy for the situation you and your workmates find yourself in, well i have! but travelling around as i do, i see the way that BACON was treated by groundstaff over its existence, EDI being a prime example time and time again GPU late to the aircraft, groundstaff late to the aircraft, no pushback crews available cos the Mainline A/C will be pushing back in an hour so cant be late for that!! It would happen day in day out so it was not down to problems on the day, but was institutional in the thinking of the staff. BHX was slightly better but was always living in hope that the Airbus might turn up again!! Be honest how did you perceive BACON when you were doing your job? was it as a legitimate part of BA or as a stop gap measure until BA came to there senses and put real aircraft on the routes!!! I am truely sorry the position that you are all in and hope you all find jobs soon .

Marlowe,the BA staff in the regions have been subjected to continuous cuts in manning levels.never enough staff rostered on duty to handle the operation,running from flight to flight,dealing with off schedule arrrivals and departures,numerous Bacon cancellations and all the ensuing problems as a result.of course we can be on stand for 20 minutes without a sign of groundstaff,but they were busy elsewhere.remember they deal with many movements and problems,not just our arrival or departure.the wchr situation is a disgrace,again as a result of rock bottom price cutting and insufficient staff to do the job.the whole passenger experience has deteriorated over the last few years and if costs continue to be addressed with such vigour by management who don't care about passengers,despite all the company hype,things will only get worse.we now work in a business which is no more than airborne bus travel,regardless of the fare paid,everyone is treated as if they are flying for next to nothing,which certainly is't the case.BA ground handling is by far,the best in the UK...when it is gone from 7June 2007,just be prepared for the shambles which will replace it.things will get much,much worse.

Edgehill

We should have been dead at BRS, but we keep getting pax turning up for non-existent flts. 4 more this morning, all of whom booked their tickets thru lastminute.com. lastminute were told, as everyone else was, that all BACON flts ex-BRS were cancelled as of 25Mar, and they were told that on 06Mar, but lastminute, and some of the other internet agencies, have neglected to tell their customers.

So not only no flts, but the pax turning up are all (understandably) very angry and it's worse than pre-25Mar, because we have no alternatives, all the accounts with transport companies have gone, and all we can tell them to do is contact the agency themselves. BA.COM are helping, but you know what it's like trying to get through to them

GB

Edgehill the BRS groundstaff have nothing to do with anything that might be going on elsewhere in the regions, they were set up by Brymon/Citiexpress to self handle BRS and so they have no transfer rights to LHR/LGW or any other airport or division in BA.

BRS Ground
 

Marlowe - you're partially right. Some of the guys are moving to LHR/LGW on mainline contracts. It's undecided yet whether they keep continuation of service.

There is no TUPE, and have no contact with the ex-BRS crews as we're only there on Tue/Fri/Sat, and the crewroom is deserted, so don't know where they're having to go.

Some of the guys will be going to EXT with Flybe, jobs that pay more than BACON ever did!

GB

GroundBunnie how is that happening? Are they going as external applicants to BA? Because there is no right of transfer, because if there is for the groundcrew then the Cabin crew based in BRS are not going to be happy bunnies.

Marlowe - have sent you a pm - GB

From Cranebank we understand that there are 90 ramp staff joining WCargo.

Where are staff heading?
 

At BHX we have ramp staff heading to LHR Ramp and World Cargo, Pax Services staff are also heading to LHR Euro Fleet and Long Haul secondments, Customer Service and Ticket Desk positions.

Swissport have started interviewing our staff for their positions, Flybe have been recruiting for Ground Service Agents and some staff have just left with their basic severance package.

We stop handling Eastern Airways from May 10th leaving us with Brussels Airlines and five of the Flybe embraer 145 hull movements still.

The end is slowly creeping closer while our unions still negotiate a good severance package for us all.

IOM
 

Edgehill form what I have heard the situation is the same in IOM. BE pax are not happy with the way they are treated by the new handling agents. Speaking to several pax, this seems to be common.

im ezy ground crew at brs and it amazed me at first th number of ba pax coming 2 buy tickets from us as they hadnt been told. we had a lady with a baby and she had 2 buy an ezy ticket 2 get 2 edi and then she was over her baggage allowance and starting panicking when we asked her for her photo id. my supervisor felt sorry for her so we let her offf the excess and she found an id lcukily as we couldnt bend that rule.....its really quiet without ba being at the airport it feels like its just ezy there now!

In the pack we got from BA it said that if you don't inform them by 8th May that you don't won't TUPE to NEWCO then you will be transfered to them on completion of the deal, any one know if this is true? as most other timescales in same booklet are not happening as per....

:ugh:

Goldilocks

The reason EZY BRS are getting pax who haven't been told, is that they booked their tickets thru a 3rd party agent, like Expedia or lastminute.com. BA told Expedia and the others all the BRS flts were canx on 05Mar, but Expedia haven't told any of their customers.

GB

Addition - 2 pax turned up this morning for BRSEDI on BACON, they'd booked on lastminute.com, who were told on 05Mar that BACON BRS was closing, and lastminute.com hadn't passed on the message. All we can do is tell them to call lastminute for a rebook, or go to EZY.