Ezy Crewing, Working 12 hrs without break
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Hello Folks,
Aren't any of you Crewing People interested in working in the ME.
Advert was in Flight not so long ago for Scheduling Staff !!!!Very little response and idea why ????
Apply via the website of the airline concerned.
Aren't any of you Crewing People interested in working in the ME.
Advert was in Flight not so long ago for Scheduling Staff !!!!Very little response and idea why ????
Apply via the website of the airline concerned.
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Marlowe,
I know it must be difficult, but what you must understand is that your management (BRAL/MANX) whom were given the preferential treatment, and given the jobs they are unable to manage, are the cause of the problem.
Ops/Crewing should not have been placed on the Rock. It should have been moved to Manchester from day one. That way the good guys from both the Rock and from Plymouth would have wanted to move, therefore removing some of the deadwood. Now they only have the deadwood, and a small percentage of people from the two companies that actually care. From what I can gather these guys do try to get a break, but due to stupid time wasting proceedures set in place by the deadwood management, the crew controllers find it hard to take breaks due to the constant ringing of phones, and unrealistic targets set by the companies GM's.
As others have said in this post already, you have to manage your time in a pro-active manner, but it still comes down to way in which a department has been set up, which will determine it's ways of operating. From my contacts within BACX, this has not happened. This would appear to sound very similar to what is happening at Easyland, and sounds as though it will pass through to the new larger company when EZY/GOE become one.
Just guessing that you are a crew member, I can only ask that you give the guys on the Rock a bit of respect, because they are working under an incredible amount of pressure. It is being thrown at them from all angles, and it will take it toll.
This request can also be asked of any EZY crews that may be feeling annoyed/disheartened by your crewing department. They don't do the same jobs as yourselves, but just try and understand where they are coming from, and maybe you will all be able to build up relationships where there will always be a mutually beneficial outcome.
I know it must be difficult, but what you must understand is that your management (BRAL/MANX) whom were given the preferential treatment, and given the jobs they are unable to manage, are the cause of the problem.
Ops/Crewing should not have been placed on the Rock. It should have been moved to Manchester from day one. That way the good guys from both the Rock and from Plymouth would have wanted to move, therefore removing some of the deadwood. Now they only have the deadwood, and a small percentage of people from the two companies that actually care. From what I can gather these guys do try to get a break, but due to stupid time wasting proceedures set in place by the deadwood management, the crew controllers find it hard to take breaks due to the constant ringing of phones, and unrealistic targets set by the companies GM's.
As others have said in this post already, you have to manage your time in a pro-active manner, but it still comes down to way in which a department has been set up, which will determine it's ways of operating. From my contacts within BACX, this has not happened. This would appear to sound very similar to what is happening at Easyland, and sounds as though it will pass through to the new larger company when EZY/GOE become one.
Just guessing that you are a crew member, I can only ask that you give the guys on the Rock a bit of respect, because they are working under an incredible amount of pressure. It is being thrown at them from all angles, and it will take it toll.
This request can also be asked of any EZY crews that may be feeling annoyed/disheartened by your crewing department. They don't do the same jobs as yourselves, but just try and understand where they are coming from, and maybe you will all be able to build up relationships where there will always be a mutually beneficial outcome.
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I worked for years on 12 hr crewing shifts without a break. But then again I worked with a great team of Crewing and Ops people, and the aircrew where a great bunch as well, it was great fun and I enjoyed every minute of it, and we had the tightest UK operation imaginable.
Our rapport with crew was excellent, we understood their problems and they understood ours and the company really did benefit. Crew were always given as many personal requests as operationally possible to help with their disruptive lifestyle. And overall this arrangement worked very well when we had to call back the favours.
This great team of people has recently been torn apart by a recent merger, if only the current managemnt of this "new" airline realise what they have missed.
:o
Our rapport with crew was excellent, we understood their problems and they understood ours and the company really did benefit. Crew were always given as many personal requests as operationally possible to help with their disruptive lifestyle. And overall this arrangement worked very well when we had to call back the favours.
This great team of people has recently been torn apart by a recent merger, if only the current managemnt of this "new" airline realise what they have missed.
:o
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Speaking on behalf of some pointed-end drivers, I'd be happy with 2 days ON, 2 nights ON, 4 OFF. It's a might sight better than 6 On 2 off 5 ON. etc. etc. The 6 ON being random day/night and forever changing, with only a couple of nights at home per week.Productivity would not be effetced, with efficient rostering. Everybody would be happier including the rosters, crewers and crews. Now there's a novel idea. It's what everybody wants, mutual happiness, yet somehow it is still a holy grail lost in the desert. Mysteries?
There was a studious report published a couple of years ago. The conclusion was that if crews wanted to achieve any kind of reasonable family life it was vital to remove absolute control of rostering from the rostering dept. It had to have crew input, and that does not mean management review afterwards to check the legality of it. CAP 371 is acknowledged by CAA as being an absolute limit and not a protection against fatigue without common sense use. Crews being treated like machines will break down. The a/c are better maintained than the crew. Crew get their repairs done on a 'life' basis (CAP 371), not 'on condition'. If the latter were true in the present climate of work patterns, many crew would be in for various transplants and adrenelin implants.
Never forget, the crews have a long career in mind with an employer. Perhaps they have a deeper vested interest than anyone for a strong future. They are not about to milk the cow and kill the goose. Equally they do not thrive on sweat shop conditions, as does no-one else in the aviation chain. If pushed too hard they will break, leave and that has benfited nobody, least of all the company. A happy work force costs very little but is a valuable longterm investment that the bean counters can not put a price on, so ignore it.
Might aviation go the same route as teachers, doctors and nurses, police etc? Pushed too hard into a life style that is not worth it, so no one joins.
If only crews, crewers and rosters could get together, I'm sure they would all find they had a common goal and life would improve for everyone. Why not give it a try and remove the frictional atmosphere. It must be hell going to work a night shift knowing you are not going to enjoy it.
Good luck.
There was a studious report published a couple of years ago. The conclusion was that if crews wanted to achieve any kind of reasonable family life it was vital to remove absolute control of rostering from the rostering dept. It had to have crew input, and that does not mean management review afterwards to check the legality of it. CAP 371 is acknowledged by CAA as being an absolute limit and not a protection against fatigue without common sense use. Crews being treated like machines will break down. The a/c are better maintained than the crew. Crew get their repairs done on a 'life' basis (CAP 371), not 'on condition'. If the latter were true in the present climate of work patterns, many crew would be in for various transplants and adrenelin implants.
Never forget, the crews have a long career in mind with an employer. Perhaps they have a deeper vested interest than anyone for a strong future. They are not about to milk the cow and kill the goose. Equally they do not thrive on sweat shop conditions, as does no-one else in the aviation chain. If pushed too hard they will break, leave and that has benfited nobody, least of all the company. A happy work force costs very little but is a valuable longterm investment that the bean counters can not put a price on, so ignore it.
Might aviation go the same route as teachers, doctors and nurses, police etc? Pushed too hard into a life style that is not worth it, so no one joins.
If only crews, crewers and rosters could get together, I'm sure they would all find they had a common goal and life would improve for everyone. Why not give it a try and remove the frictional atmosphere. It must be hell going to work a night shift knowing you are not going to enjoy it.
Good luck.
RAT 5 Re your last para I support fully your comments regarding groups getting together, there is a problem with actually making it happen. Its not just in this environment, when I worked in ATC and Airport ops, getting aircrew to come and see you for a chat was near on impossible, and I'm well aware that your lifestile rosters does'nt always allow that. We don't have a combined ops/crewing/crewroom, if we did that might help, we could see the face on the radio/phone if only for 5 mins which can help in building that core relationship between 'ops' and crews. If one or two more popped in on the way back to their cars after a duty, (I know, I know,) then perhaps that might help too!. We are no longer able to go for jumpseat rides, which I found particularly useful, and we are generally nailed to our desk for 12hrs, (we rarely get the opportunity to take an hour in the orangerie either!), recently with no breaks, and crewers have a far higher workload than many give credit for. We in ops have the bright ideas, 
and then the crewers have to make sure it can happen, as well as dealing with the day to day crap they do.
It is hell going to work knowing you are not going to enjoy it, its not just night shifts either, of late its been groundhog day, same $hit, every day, come January there might just be tumbleweed blowing through ops at eJ if the situation doesn't change, and I don't think I'm alone with those feelings.
and then the crewers have to make sure it can happen, as well as dealing with the day to day crap they do.It is hell going to work knowing you are not going to enjoy it, its not just night shifts either, of late its been groundhog day, same $hit, every day, come January there might just be tumbleweed blowing through ops at eJ if the situation doesn't change, and I don't think I'm alone with those feelings.
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I've long been a supporter of a co-located crew report and Ops and agree with your sentiments Jumpseater. Once we know the location of the new Ops centre we'll know what we can do with regard to providing for the above. Hopefully, we find out this week.
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Nosig, as you know here at your otherhalf's base of STN we have crew reporting at OPS, its very very helpful and it's something I hope we'll keep. I'm sure I'll meet you soon.
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RAT5
There's also a common feeling with many Crewing / Rosterers /
Manager type folk that if you got rid of CAP371 and started again
you could (with crew input) come up with a better scheme to suit
all parties. CAP371 is about 10 years out of date, its still got a rule in there that was used when 757's started going transatlantic and stoped in Bangor for fuel...
There's also a common feeling with many Crewing / Rosterers /
Manager type folk that if you got rid of CAP371 and started again
you could (with crew input) come up with a better scheme to suit
all parties. CAP371 is about 10 years out of date, its still got a rule in there that was used when 757's started going transatlantic and stoped in Bangor for fuel...
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Nosig, here's a thought, easyland (all of easyland) becomes
flt/grnd ops all combined, with crew brief also under the same roof.
all admin relocate to a new large HQ, you never know!
Rgds PP
flt/grnd ops all combined, with crew brief also under the same roof.
all admin relocate to a new large HQ, you never know!
Rgds PP
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seems to me that we all seem to have the same problem.....
i too get 12 hrs in a ops room trying to get around 500 flights off on time, beating those
slots for that on time departure, whilst filing and canx flight plans re routeing and issuing the paperwork for 80+ aircraft.. add jersey into the equasion on a saturday, and forget it it aint for the feint hearted all i get is to run to the loo every now and again eat at the desk....
i do sit and watch my crewing friends fight with 1500+ flight crew that never seem to want to work.... and beleve me my job is cushy compared to what they have to put up with...
am i complaing????? HELL NO!!!!!!
i enjoy my job and 12hrs sure as hell beets 9-5
so comon guys
it dosent really matter who we work for we all have good bits and we all have bad bits
(yes some more than others)
but as they say if you cant stand the heat....
WX
i too get 12 hrs in a ops room trying to get around 500 flights off on time, beating those
slots for that on time departure, whilst filing and canx flight plans re routeing and issuing the paperwork for 80+ aircraft.. add jersey into the equasion on a saturday, and forget it it aint for the feint hearted all i get is to run to the loo every now and again eat at the desk....
i do sit and watch my crewing friends fight with 1500+ flight crew that never seem to want to work.... and beleve me my job is cushy compared to what they have to put up with...
am i complaing????? HELL NO!!!!!!
i enjoy my job and 12hrs sure as hell beets 9-5
so comon guys
it dosent really matter who we work for we all have good bits and we all have bad bits
(yes some more than others)
but as they say if you cant stand the heat....
WX
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crewing controller's to crew ratio.
Just for your info - i work for an scheduled/weekend charter airline where our crewing controller's all do 12hr day and night shift's most of the time without a break - we only have 1 crewing controller on duty all the time !! and they are responsible for overseeing 680 crew operating from 11 bases from around the UK and France.
So it's not just EZY that have to do this......
So it's not just EZY that have to do this......