Reduced report time
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Reduced report time
Can anyone point me to a document which either allows or prohibits a reduced report time for flight deck crew? I recently was given a 30 mins report before off blocks to fit in min rest but was unable to find any reference to it in my company ops manuals. Standard for us in 60 mins.
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Would have thought that if it states 60 mins in your ops manuals then that applies as this forms part of the FTL scheme approved by the CAA......although i could well be wrong and stand to be corrected
Other than that, a scan through CAP371 on the CAA website may produce results ?
F/O
Other than that, a scan through CAP371 on the CAA website may produce results ?
F/O
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Got it thanks, CAP371, 13.2 and 13.4
report times not to be reduced to take advantage of a more favorable FDP band or to allow crew to achieve require rest prior to FDP.
I wonder why its not stated in our FTL ops manual chapter...
report times not to be reduced to take advantage of a more favorable FDP band or to allow crew to achieve require rest prior to FDP.
I wonder why its not stated in our FTL ops manual chapter...
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Hi Mungo
Usually what happens in my airline is the flight is delayed for you to get your adequate reporting time. E.g. if you require 30 mins rest extra the flight will be 30 mins late.
The Gimp
Usually what happens in my airline is the flight is delayed for you to get your adequate reporting time. E.g. if you require 30 mins rest extra the flight will be 30 mins late.
The Gimp
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Mungo
The STD should in theory have been delayed. However if the other crew member turns up on time to prepare the flight then you may have got away on time.
If your working for a UK AOC the bit about reduced rport times you mention in your other para should be in your Co FTL scheme.
Its taking advantage of your good will with the airline probably guessing you'd turn up early etc. On time perf rules ok ...
The STD should in theory have been delayed. However if the other crew member turns up on time to prepare the flight then you may have got away on time.
If your working for a UK AOC the bit about reduced rport times you mention in your other para should be in your Co FTL scheme.
Its taking advantage of your good will with the airline probably guessing you'd turn up early etc. On time perf rules ok ...
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Mungo Man
.....because CAP371 only provides guidance for an AOC applicant in the UK to construct an FTL scheme. The tailored FTL scheme is then presented to the CAA for review and eventual authorisation for incorporation in to the AOC holder's documents.
If there are missing elements of CAP371 either their omission is deemed acceptable by the CAA or there has been an oversight.
Depending on which or how many members of the crew are reporting later than scheduled, it is sometimes achievable to depart on schedule safely. Only the commander on the day will be able to judge whether this can be accomplished or not by such methods as changing the order of briefing / checking / set-up, partial boarding in the event of missing members of cabin crew etc. No one situation is the same.
I recall one gentleman captain colleague who took great pride on exercising a personal crusade against his airline by delaying the departure of the flight by the equivalent amount of time one crew member out of six was asked to delay her report to satisfy rest from the day before. The crew member arrived after passenger boarding, was briefed by her senior and the Captain in the flight deck and sat at her crew station. The Captain then delayed engine start by a further twenty minutes, despite all crew members having completed their duties, because "this company needs to learn.....etc."
.....because CAP371 only provides guidance for an AOC applicant in the UK to construct an FTL scheme. The tailored FTL scheme is then presented to the CAA for review and eventual authorisation for incorporation in to the AOC holder's documents.
If there are missing elements of CAP371 either their omission is deemed acceptable by the CAA or there has been an oversight.
Depending on which or how many members of the crew are reporting later than scheduled, it is sometimes achievable to depart on schedule safely. Only the commander on the day will be able to judge whether this can be accomplished or not by such methods as changing the order of briefing / checking / set-up, partial boarding in the event of missing members of cabin crew etc. No one situation is the same.
I recall one gentleman captain colleague who took great pride on exercising a personal crusade against his airline by delaying the departure of the flight by the equivalent amount of time one crew member out of six was asked to delay her report to satisfy rest from the day before. The crew member arrived after passenger boarding, was briefed by her senior and the Captain in the flight deck and sat at her crew station. The Captain then delayed engine start by a further twenty minutes, despite all crew members having completed their duties, because "this company needs to learn.....etc."
Last edited by Kiltie; 18th March 2010 at 11:10.
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Looked at this the other night
I recall Part A used to quote a 'Minimum Reort Time', however all I could find when I looked the other night was 'Standard Report Time'. Therefore legal unless done to make use of a more favourable FDP band.
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