Swissport badly prang Monarch A321 BHX
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The current thinking is that in no-blame cultures even recklessness and incompetence gets excused as reporting is a get out of jail free card. The results is that the reporting scheme is seen as a confessional for the guilty rather than a learning mechanism for the diligent.
In the land of the 5th Amendment, the FAA voluntary ASAP is a variation on this theme, a sort of super grass witness protection scheme that actually reduces the chances of true open reporting because no one wants to say anything to anyone without protection.
The idea is that a 'just culture' where people are still accountable for their behaviour but the organisation tolerates genuine errors, and supports the individual rather than disciplining them in all but the most extreme cases.
What stands out in the posts above is that some people seem happy with the concept of automatic blame of a 'stupid' ground handler based on alleged leaked hearsay in a way they would not accept for a pilot. The same accountability standards need to apply to all for the same reasons. Perhaps some people can see the biggest threat to reporting in the mirror...
In the land of the 5th Amendment, the FAA voluntary ASAP is a variation on this theme, a sort of super grass witness protection scheme that actually reduces the chances of true open reporting because no one wants to say anything to anyone without protection.
The idea is that a 'just culture' where people are still accountable for their behaviour but the organisation tolerates genuine errors, and supports the individual rather than disciplining them in all but the most extreme cases.
What stands out in the posts above is that some people seem happy with the concept of automatic blame of a 'stupid' ground handler based on alleged leaked hearsay in a way they would not accept for a pilot. The same accountability standards need to apply to all for the same reasons. Perhaps some people can see the biggest threat to reporting in the mirror...
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Are we talking about the same bloke here????
I dont think he was sacked for just hitting GOZBE at speed while standing up in a belt loader wheel spinning all over the shop.......
Remember what goes around comes around.........
And as for being sacked over the phone, in a letter, face to face, or even by carrier pigeon, it all the same "Your Fired" as Alan Sugar" would say.
I dont think he was sacked for just hitting GOZBE at speed while standing up in a belt loader wheel spinning all over the shop.......
Remember what goes around comes around.........
And as for being sacked over the phone, in a letter, face to face, or even by carrier pigeon, it all the same "Your Fired" as Alan Sugar" would say.
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The understanding I have and the way it works at BHX is that the 'No Blame' exists to cover accidents that we all know are inevitable in the environment we work in.
It is not there to Excuse reckless behaviour.
If it's true that he was dismissed over the phone then that is appalling. Not for the dismissal but for the lack of any proper disciplinary procedure....
It is not there to Excuse reckless behaviour.
If it's true that he was dismissed over the phone then that is appalling. Not for the dismissal but for the lack of any proper disciplinary procedure....
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Watched this thread for a bit now. My opinion?
How do you hit the nose gear with a belt loader? Don't know the detailed facts but was the guy breathalysed? Of this earth? Trained?
Accidents do happen but 1000's of pushbacks are completed successfully and without incident every day by those that should be around the nose gear. And by all the handlers.
Was the guy hurt? Nobody has asked.
How do you hit the nose gear with a belt loader? Don't know the detailed facts but was the guy breathalysed? Of this earth? Trained?
Accidents do happen but 1000's of pushbacks are completed successfully and without incident every day by those that should be around the nose gear. And by all the handlers.
Was the guy hurt? Nobody has asked.
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OK so he wasn't sacked over the phone....He just had confirmation from the TU over the phone that his appeal on a technical issue had failed. He had already been sacked at a previous hearing.
Is that how it worked??
Is that how it worked??
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From my sources it isw confirmed that he was phoned by the internal HR person based at BHX and sacked. Appeal was today but not sure of the outcome. Also they forgot to breathalize him at the time of th eincident due to all the commotion.
Anyway he has been taken on by Servisair now so at least he has a job and can still pay his morgate off.
Anyway he has been taken on by Servisair now so at least he has a job and can still pay his morgate off.
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Where do they get these monkies from ?
I have seen so many accidents on the ramp over the years, caused by these showoffs! The funniest was a tw*t driving a belt loader into a B747 engine, and then rising up into the air, reversing and doing it again!!
Unfortunately the engine wasn't running
I have seen so many accidents on the ramp over the years, caused by these showoffs! The funniest was a tw*t driving a belt loader into a B747 engine, and then rising up into the air, reversing and doing it again!!
Unfortunately the engine wasn't running
