Flight Planning systems
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Flight Planning systems
I was wondering how many different types of flight planning systems/software are out there.
I am currently using Airpath/Eagle which is a nice PC Windows based system, and have talked to some guys who use Jepperson.
Any feedback on the most common in use out there ?
I am currently using Airpath/Eagle which is a nice PC Windows based system, and have talked to some guys who use Jepperson.
Any feedback on the most common in use out there ?
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BONDMAN,
Have used both in the last four years and can honestly say Air Data wins hands down.
As for route construction, no it won't do it for you. (it's random route construction is not great). However if you are sitting down with the charts out, the interface to input the route is actually very user friendly.
These days with the SRS changing every Airac cycle, you generally end up having to tweak your FPL's and Plogs quite regularly anyway. Can SITA automatic plans take SRS into account when constructing a routing?
cheers
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Have used both in the last four years and can honestly say Air Data wins hands down.
As for route construction, no it won't do it for you. (it's random route construction is not great). However if you are sitting down with the charts out, the interface to input the route is actually very user friendly.
These days with the SRS changing every Airac cycle, you generally end up having to tweak your FPL's and Plogs quite regularly anyway. Can SITA automatic plans take SRS into account when constructing a routing?
cheers
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SITA's automatic plans or ARB ( Automatic Route Build ) as it is officially known WILL generate SRS compliant plans by the end of next week. If you're using the SITA FBS system, ARB v5 Phase 2 goes live on the 6th July, so it should make your summer schedules a lot less time consuming to manage.
"Tweaking" as you call it will probably always be required for any CFP output, but if it wasn't you guy's would be out of a job wouldn't you?
Computerised Flight Planing systems are a tool for Dispatcher to use, not a replacement. As I have been known to say many times, "You can't teach experience" and a computer will never be able to take over the functions of Ops Controller or Dispatcher.
Whooaahh!!!
"Tweaking" as you call it will probably always be required for any CFP output, but if it wasn't you guy's would be out of a job wouldn't you?
Computerised Flight Planing systems are a tool for Dispatcher to use, not a replacement. As I have been known to say many times, "You can't teach experience" and a computer will never be able to take over the functions of Ops Controller or Dispatcher.
Whooaahh!!!
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IATA defined passenger body weight and baggaage weight for flight planning
May I ask what's the IATA defined each passenger weight ( Body wt, baggage
and hand carry) for flight planning
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and hand carry) for flight planning
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The company I worked for switched from SWORD to Airdata I always thought SWORD was a great Ops flight planning tool so I think I was always a bit down on Airdata, but I have never liked the system. Used Jetplanner for a while though it was great, but a little bit of a mess around. Getting use to Graflite at the moment, in general a very good system.
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I used Jetplan for over 20 years applied both to civil & military ops and can't help but say it is the best. All SRS routes have to be tweeked at some time even if theye are auto loaded, 'tis trial and error. Have fun as this is now a very tightly marketed product line. Talk to those that have to download thier own grib wx !!!!!!!
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I have been using several flight planning softwares along 20 years and I would think there would be a classification for them in relation to quality, efficency and price. On my point of view, it should be like this:
Cat 1:
LIDO from LH Germany
Jeppesen from USA
NAV from Nav flight services Czech Republic
EDS from Swisszerland
Cat 2:
Air Data from England
Flugverzeuge from Austria
NavTech from Scandinavia and Canada
Cat 3:
PPS from Denmark
Rocade from Sweden
Sita from England
There are some 4 or 5 more I do not consider due to I do not know them
. All depends what features are you looking for. The point is that normally the national carriers does not have any doubt at the moment to analyse the price, they normally go to Lido or Jeppesen, and I think due to popularity only, since I have been reading that even Jeppesen is having some problems on specific fields 
. But who not!! Moreover I saw some good performances and features on the others.
Thanks you.
Cat 1:
LIDO from LH Germany
Jeppesen from USA
NAV from Nav flight services Czech Republic
EDS from Swisszerland
Cat 2:
Air Data from England
Flugverzeuge from Austria
NavTech from Scandinavia and Canada
Cat 3:
PPS from Denmark
Rocade from Sweden
Sita from England
There are some 4 or 5 more I do not consider due to I do not know them
. All depends what features are you looking for. The point is that normally the national carriers does not have any doubt at the moment to analyse the price, they normally go to Lido or Jeppesen, and I think due to popularity only, since I have been reading that even Jeppesen is having some problems on specific fields . But who not!! Moreover I saw some good performances and features on the others.Thanks you.
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If you want your system to read the Notams, check the weather and cook the coffee, there is only one: Lido.
Jeppesen, Sita, Navtech, EDS, Skytrack and PPS are only 1960's green screen mainframes with a windows GUI. Like buying a golden watch for a corpse.
Maybe there is hope. Look out for F:WZ
Jeppesen, Sita, Navtech, EDS, Skytrack and PPS are only 1960's green screen mainframes with a windows GUI. Like buying a golden watch for a corpse.
Maybe there is hope. Look out for F:WZ
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If I wanted to cook my coffee as opposed to drinking it in its liquid form, I would indeed chose LIDO. Ever seen how long it takes to get a Eurocontrol compliant flight plan calculated on it !!
Lido is not the only system that reads weather and there is some contention as to the value of auto processing of NOTAMs given the inconsistency of Q codes on occasions. "Whooaahh" is right - a flight planning system is a tool that still requires varying degrees of intervention and therefore ease of use, flexibility and a price tag that is somewhat less than the GDP of a small African nation would get my vote . . .
Lido is not the only system that reads weather and there is some contention as to the value of auto processing of NOTAMs given the inconsistency of Q codes on occasions. "Whooaahh" is right - a flight planning system is a tool that still requires varying degrees of intervention and therefore ease of use, flexibility and a price tag that is somewhat less than the GDP of a small African nation would get my vote . . .
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I do agree on all things stated here. My personal experience is that PPS does the job ok. When planning trips around Europe and Eastern Europa it comes out with a valid flightplan in most cases. I would estimate that 90% of the plans generated are ok. The CrewBreifing.com is also a big help in the distribution.
Last but not least you can buy PPS for much less than LIDO OCC. What are your experiences with PPS ?
Last but not least you can buy PPS for much less than LIDO OCC. What are your experiences with PPS ?
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Hi all
Have used a number of different systems over the years and all have there good and bad points.
Jepps have used 2 different versions and both were okay. sometimes a bit fiddly until you get used to it, especially for building a new route, but as it's about 8 years ago, could have changed.
PPS is okay, but would only use it for european or short haul. Think it lacks some of the features you want for long haul ot ETOPS flights. But again an easy enough system to use, possibly a little slow, but it depends on your pc spec.
Skytrack from EDS is current system. I find this a very felxible system to use and real easy to build routes in. Auto generated routes are mostly RAD/SRS compliant with just the odd one not working. Generating routes for long haul is very quick at finding best route for winds, then just a little toying with either end to make sure its comliant. We use it in conjunction with a graphical world display, with route, sector, FIR and restricted areas overlaid, and this makes a big difference.
Just my 2 pence worth.
Regards Expat.
Have used a number of different systems over the years and all have there good and bad points.
Jepps have used 2 different versions and both were okay. sometimes a bit fiddly until you get used to it, especially for building a new route, but as it's about 8 years ago, could have changed.
PPS is okay, but would only use it for european or short haul. Think it lacks some of the features you want for long haul ot ETOPS flights. But again an easy enough system to use, possibly a little slow, but it depends on your pc spec.
Skytrack from EDS is current system. I find this a very felxible system to use and real easy to build routes in. Auto generated routes are mostly RAD/SRS compliant with just the odd one not working. Generating routes for long haul is very quick at finding best route for winds, then just a little toying with either end to make sure its comliant. We use it in conjunction with a graphical world display, with route, sector, FIR and restricted areas overlaid, and this makes a big difference.
Just my 2 pence worth.
Regards Expat.
