CREW PLANNING AND TRACKING SYSTEMS
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There has been so much discussion on crew management systems, has anyone else spent the last 18 months looking into what is available and making evaluations on them. I have spent a long time just seeing whats is available and what would suit each airline, I am not employed by an airline, but have conducted this research on behalf of several airlines and this info will soon be realease. An email address will be posted soon so you can request info from, If in the meantime you are intered please leave a message on the forum and state which system you have interest in.
Joined: Oct 2001
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From: Home
We're using SABRE at bmi, although I'm more concerned with AirOps rather than AirCrew..
It's not perfect..(What system is !!) but compared with some of the options that we were given, ref other systems, this is fine for our needs.
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Still, if all else fails, then it's back to the pencils and the big white board !!
It's not perfect..(What system is !!) but compared with some of the options that we were given, ref other systems, this is fine for our needs.
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Still, if all else fails, then it's back to the pencils and the big white board !!
Joined: Feb 2001
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From: Planet Earth
If you do not want to setup lots of expensive equipment and maybe also want to use the system worldwide, then very few would be able to beat Phoenix flt plnng used via SITA/ARINC/Shares res system. I Believe they also have an internet version online or in the pipeline.
ctc LGWCSCO for further details.
Unfortunatly we were recently forced to give it up by our new owners. We have never regretted anything more than that.
The maths involved beat all the others that we have tested.
ctc LGWCSCO for further details.
Unfortunatly we were recently forced to give it up by our new owners. We have never regretted anything more than that.
The maths involved beat all the others that we have tested.
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From: Somewhere probing
W.r.t to AIMS.
I'm sorry to say it but, as a person who (with 20+ years of solid IT/Systems integration behind him) , the underlying database of AIMS (Btrieve) is crap - and perhaps worse still is the totally non-relational design that AIMS have placed within it ! (you'd hope that as a professional software house that they'd know better)
Now I can't comment on their Oracle or MSQL implementations - but they can't of changed the DB design that much - or else they'd have to totally rewrite major parts of the application code to handle any new database design.
Ok, from the end-users perspective it's nice to use, but from a systems integration point of view it's pants !
Ps. For what it's worth, we're looking at Geneva - which has seemingly been much better thought through & designed.
I'm sorry to say it but, as a person who (with 20+ years of solid IT/Systems integration behind him) , the underlying database of AIMS (Btrieve) is crap - and perhaps worse still is the totally non-relational design that AIMS have placed within it ! (you'd hope that as a professional software house that they'd know better)
Now I can't comment on their Oracle or MSQL implementations - but they can't of changed the DB design that much - or else they'd have to totally rewrite major parts of the application code to handle any new database design.
Ok, from the end-users perspective it's nice to use, but from a systems integration point of view it's pants !
Ps. For what it's worth, we're looking at Geneva - which has seemingly been much better thought through & designed.
Joined: Jun 2000
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From: Middle East
Sorry Mr Devil's Advocate
But I doubt very much that you have the expertise you claim.
Btrieve or if you were current is now Pervasive is one of the better RDBMS that you can get and certainly much more cost effective than Oracle & MS-SQL.
So please don't cloud the issue by 'techno-babble' which you are not qualafied to talk about
But I doubt very much that you have the expertise you claim.
Btrieve or if you were current is now Pervasive is one of the better RDBMS that you can get and certainly much more cost effective than Oracle & MS-SQL.
So please don't cloud the issue by 'techno-babble' which you are not qualafied to talk about
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From: Somewhere probing
ROFLOL – hotroster, well I never thought I'd see the day..... you sound like the kind of fella who'd by a car purely on its looks, indeed just the sort of person that J&G Bethanis love to sell AIMS to.
Do you know, I actually once sat across a table from GlenB and asked him why the database design was not 'normalised' and what they were doing about making it so ? His reply was that whilst the design did not lend itself to systems integration, and that it was indeed not fully relational they were not (at that time) planning to change it (i.e. and as to why, see my comments above) – and I won’t even bother to explain the why’s and wherefores as to their use of Text type database columns, and the limits therein w.r.t. accessing them.
W.r.t. database technology – Btrieve / Pervasive are I’m afraid mickey mouse / cheap and cheerful databases, certainly so when compared to Oracle / Sybase / DataServer, etc.....
And there’s a rub, i.e. if an airline already has a site-license for an industrial strength database (Sybase / Oracle) – and many of them do - why on earth should they have to suffer with something second best, to say nothing of having to support / manage it ?!
Unfortunately, AIMS was never designed to be database independent, e.g. you can’t readily slide the airline in-house database of choice underneath the AIMS application – which is a great shame, particularly so with systems integration in mind (but hey, with the Oracle implementation, maybe they’re trying to achieve just that – and if they are, well done ! )
Now for what it’s worth – here’s a précis of the contents of my computing CV:
Actually hotroster I could go on and really guild-the-lily, but why bother, you wouldn’t have a clue about a lot of what I’m on about, aside from which your bonefides for slating my computing experience include, well, what... ?
Do you know, I actually once sat across a table from GlenB and asked him why the database design was not 'normalised' and what they were doing about making it so ? His reply was that whilst the design did not lend itself to systems integration, and that it was indeed not fully relational they were not (at that time) planning to change it (i.e. and as to why, see my comments above) – and I won’t even bother to explain the why’s and wherefores as to their use of Text type database columns, and the limits therein w.r.t. accessing them.
W.r.t. database technology – Btrieve / Pervasive are I’m afraid mickey mouse / cheap and cheerful databases, certainly so when compared to Oracle / Sybase / DataServer, etc.....
And there’s a rub, i.e. if an airline already has a site-license for an industrial strength database (Sybase / Oracle) – and many of them do - why on earth should they have to suffer with something second best, to say nothing of having to support / manage it ?!
Unfortunately, AIMS was never designed to be database independent, e.g. you can’t readily slide the airline in-house database of choice underneath the AIMS application – which is a great shame, particularly so with systems integration in mind (but hey, with the Oracle implementation, maybe they’re trying to achieve just that – and if they are, well done ! )
Now for what it’s worth – here’s a précis of the contents of my computing CV:
Extensive experience with Unix (20 years, IBM AIX, HP-UX, Sun, Bull, ICL, SCO, Linux - everything from day-to-day admin through to writing compilers), Windows (all flavours, inc NT Server), and Macintosh.
19 years hands-on development experience using everything from C, C++, Fortan, Pascal, ADA, Accell SQL, Ingres, Vision, VB.
10 years team leading & project development, usually worldwide with publicly known ‘Blue Chip’ companies and government bodies.
11 years working with, and in the development of, GUI development tools, including the development of Cad/Cam systems (running within X11 - Motif/Openlook) and many of the more modern ones.
17 years RDBMS design & maintenance (Oracle / Sybase / Unify-DataServer / Ingres / etc).
Installation and management of LAN’s / WAN’s, including VPN’s.
Web authoring, as well as developmet of backend web ‘services’.
Extensive experience of systems / database integration.
Basically everything from development, technical support, trouble-shooting, consultancy, training, to IT/Systems management.
19 years hands-on development experience using everything from C, C++, Fortan, Pascal, ADA, Accell SQL, Ingres, Vision, VB.
10 years team leading & project development, usually worldwide with publicly known ‘Blue Chip’ companies and government bodies.
11 years working with, and in the development of, GUI development tools, including the development of Cad/Cam systems (running within X11 - Motif/Openlook) and many of the more modern ones.
17 years RDBMS design & maintenance (Oracle / Sybase / Unify-DataServer / Ingres / etc).
Installation and management of LAN’s / WAN’s, including VPN’s.
Web authoring, as well as developmet of backend web ‘services’.
Extensive experience of systems / database integration.
Basically everything from development, technical support, trouble-shooting, consultancy, training, to IT/Systems management.
Joined: Oct 2001
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From: East Midlands
Try taking a look at the Sabre suite of systems, individually they may seem expensive but taking the whole suite will save time and money integrating with your current systems. The Sabre AirCrews system boasts good optimisation software for building duties and making the assignment.
AIMS is always prefered by the users as it is very user friendly so makes it a lot easier to get the buyin of all the staff.
My advise is to speak to the suppliers and ask them to arrange a field visit to one of their clients.
AIMS is always prefered by the users as it is very user friendly so makes it a lot easier to get the buyin of all the staff.
My advise is to speak to the suppliers and ask them to arrange a field visit to one of their clients.
