Flight dispatcher
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From: Rockford ILL
Flight dispatcher
Howdy folks....
happy new year to all !!!!
I just did my FAA flight dispatcher course in dallas, and I would like to know if there is someone that can tell me if there is the chance to convert it into a JAR certificate, necessary to practice in Europe...
I did my research already but unfortunatelly was not very convincing! and also I didn't see many adds for this position in europe, could that be possible?
thanks a lot....
jackdaniels
happy new year to all !!!!
I just did my FAA flight dispatcher course in dallas, and I would like to know if there is someone that can tell me if there is the chance to convert it into a JAR certificate, necessary to practice in Europe...
I did my research already but unfortunatelly was not very convincing! and also I didn't see many adds for this position in europe, could that be possible?
thanks a lot....
jackdaniels
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From: someplace else
Positions in europe are extremely rare. I know a lot of unemployed dispatcher at the moment.
By the way: most bigger Airlines only recruite their own staff.
You can´t convert the license into a JAA one. You have to do the whole test (maybe not everything, but more or less.)
If you are holder of a JAA one it´s quite easy to get the FAA one.
By the way: most bigger Airlines only recruite their own staff.
You can´t convert the license into a JAA one. You have to do the whole test (maybe not everything, but more or less.)
If you are holder of a JAA one it´s quite easy to get the FAA one.
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From: Paris
Actually there is no European Flight Dispatcher License ...unfortunately!
. That means it depends on whre you want to work.
Exemples: lAustria, Germany, Denmark issue state licenses; it means you need their license
Some countries recognise foreign state licenses or issue airline certificates.
The UK and France do have no license or certification requirement at all; you can work there with any license.
I am French so i can tell you that usally they prefer licenses from the 2 folowing school: ENAC and ESMA (w.ESMA.fr) . Yet if the airline have a lot of flights to the US they might prefer an FAA license. The FAA license has a good reputation.
. That means it depends on whre you want to work.Exemples: lAustria, Germany, Denmark issue state licenses; it means you need their license
Some countries recognise foreign state licenses or issue airline certificates.
The UK and France do have no license or certification requirement at all; you can work there with any license.
I am French so i can tell you that usally they prefer licenses from the 2 folowing school: ENAC and ESMA (w.ESMA.fr) . Yet if the airline have a lot of flights to the US they might prefer an FAA license. The FAA license has a good reputation.
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From: Rockford ILL
desperate-dispatchers!!!!
Okay, guys...
Its getting quite confusing… what I have is a FAA dispatcher license, and here in the states you do flightplanning with it, no ramp pax or baggage assistance, so how the heck should I qualify in the UK???? Anyway could it be really so bad to find this type of position in Europe? How do airlines issue a flightplan then??? Nways I just don’t wanna think I wasted 6 grand for nothing….
If u’re in dispatching then give me a clue…
Its getting quite confusing… what I have is a FAA dispatcher license, and here in the states you do flightplanning with it, no ramp pax or baggage assistance, so how the heck should I qualify in the UK???? Anyway could it be really so bad to find this type of position in Europe? How do airlines issue a flightplan then??? Nways I just don’t wanna think I wasted 6 grand for nothing….
If u’re in dispatching then give me a clue…
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don t waste your time. Dispatcher jobs( and i mean Flightplanner, not Ramp staff ) are quite rare. A lot of airlines only accept their own staff.
For example one of the 3 major carriers in Europe: You can only get a dispatcher by joining their dispatch course sucessfully. If you did the course somewhere else you have absolutely no chance to join. By the way: the course is not 6000$.... its approx 23.000 US$
Sorry, but things are looking pretty bad....
For example one of the 3 major carriers in Europe: You can only get a dispatcher by joining their dispatch course sucessfully. If you did the course somewhere else you have absolutely no chance to join. By the way: the course is not 6000$.... its approx 23.000 US$
Sorry, but things are looking pretty bad....
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From: Rockford ILL
Lasiorhinus You did research the job before you shelled out six grand on a course in a foreign country, didnt you??
Well, LasiorhinusI did, I mean in the states its not that hard, only thing is I was really considering to move to the UK for good, but if this is the situation, then its quite different I guess... I just cannot get why in europe they do not value this course as much as they do in the states??? I just can't understand why... !!! airlines would have all the interest in the world to hire a brand new dispatcher fella, and they dont have to spend a dime on my training... I guess then I'll just have to continue applying with the feds then...
Well, LasiorhinusI did, I mean in the states its not that hard, only thing is I was really considering to move to the UK for good, but if this is the situation, then its quite different I guess... I just cannot get why in europe they do not value this course as much as they do in the states??? I just can't understand why... !!! airlines would have all the interest in the world to hire a brand new dispatcher fella, and they dont have to spend a dime on my training... I guess then I'll just have to continue applying with the feds then...
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CFPlnrHi there,
Been flight dispatching for over 20yrs now, maybe I can offer a few tips for those trying to make the grade in a major carrier.......
- Certification is not worth much without on the job experience. Sure you need it in some airlines, but there's much more involved than just holding a ticket...understanding fuel and airline policies is what takes the time. The majors are relunctant to take on new guys without a reasonable amount of operational experience in an outfit where he/she has proved they can apply those policies.
- Flight Dispatch systems (particularly in the larger carriers) are becoming much more automated, in a lot of cases fully automated, requiring less dispatchers. These days a dispatcher also needs to be systems savy, you'll still need to know how to read a TAF and NOTAM and MAYBE apply it, if the system hiccups and is unable to.
- Best bet is to get the runs on the board with a smaller carrier, then go for the bigger ones.
It's quite fascinating to see a large airline's modern dispatch office and how little staff it takes to run a 24hr operation.
Good luck, its a great profession to be in.
CFPInr… since you’ve been in dispatching for quite a long time, how did you get hired if you don’t get a certification before? I mean how do you qualify without a certification? Anyways, if I’m getting it right, working in the UK is a pickle as usual, and as you are saying, there is no hope for a brand new flight dispatcher… UK was my first choice though, nway I’ll keep in mind your advice for the small carriers, but at this time, I think I’ve got more chances in the States, even if I don’t really know it works there concretely!
Ps I don’t think its fascinating, I don’t kinda like the idea of being replaced by machines!
Been flight dispatching for over 20yrs now, maybe I can offer a few tips for those trying to make the grade in a major carrier.......
- Certification is not worth much without on the job experience. Sure you need it in some airlines, but there's much more involved than just holding a ticket...understanding fuel and airline policies is what takes the time. The majors are relunctant to take on new guys without a reasonable amount of operational experience in an outfit where he/she has proved they can apply those policies.
- Flight Dispatch systems (particularly in the larger carriers) are becoming much more automated, in a lot of cases fully automated, requiring less dispatchers. These days a dispatcher also needs to be systems savy, you'll still need to know how to read a TAF and NOTAM and MAYBE apply it, if the system hiccups and is unable to.
- Best bet is to get the runs on the board with a smaller carrier, then go for the bigger ones.
It's quite fascinating to see a large airline's modern dispatch office and how little staff it takes to run a 24hr operation.
Good luck, its a great profession to be in.
CFPInr… since you’ve been in dispatching for quite a long time, how did you get hired if you don’t get a certification before? I mean how do you qualify without a certification? Anyways, if I’m getting it right, working in the UK is a pickle as usual, and as you are saying, there is no hope for a brand new flight dispatcher… UK was my first choice though, nway I’ll keep in mind your advice for the small carriers, but at this time, I think I’ve got more chances in the States, even if I don’t really know it works there concretely!
Ps I don’t think its fascinating, I don’t kinda like the idea of being replaced by machines!
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From: Germany, EDDL/EDLW
Hello.
According to JAR-OPS 1 (JAR OPS 1.205 bzw. IEM OPS 1.205) airlines are not required to have their dispatchers licensed by law. National law may apply, but for Germany for example, you can get a german dispatcher license, but you dont neccessarly need to have it.
A lot of the smaller airline businesses hire people with the FAA license.
Only a few carriers offer the possibility to do the german licence, which is quite expensive e.g. Lufthansa etc.
I am thinking of getting the FAA licence aswell. Today I do loadcontrol for a big german charter carrier.
Bye
Jan
According to JAR-OPS 1 (JAR OPS 1.205 bzw. IEM OPS 1.205) airlines are not required to have their dispatchers licensed by law. National law may apply, but for Germany for example, you can get a german dispatcher license, but you dont neccessarly need to have it.
A lot of the smaller airline businesses hire people with the FAA license.
Only a few carriers offer the possibility to do the german licence, which is quite expensive e.g. Lufthansa etc.
I am thinking of getting the FAA licence aswell. Today I do loadcontrol for a big german charter carrier.
Bye
Jan
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From: occ
but for Germany for example, you can get a german dispatcher license, but you dont neccessarly need to have it.
as a hint:
the smaller the airline the smaller the wages
, except air berlin:big airline-small wages(no lba license required)
