flight planning systems

[ralle72]

hi there,
as a flight dispatcher/ops controller
i was just wondering how many flight planning systems there are...

i know:
*lido of lufthansa(have been working with it for 5 years now-in my eyes it rules, but i only know a few other systems )

*sky track-the flightplanning system of the artist formerly known as swissair

*jeppessen

what else is there in the flight planning world?
cheers
ralf

[JB007]

Navtech, who now own Rodos and EAG...and Air Data which are bottom end of the budget but it's still a good system. Both LGW based.

[Miles Hi]

Flygprestanda of Malmo have a system as well. Theres a crowd called JetPlan in Canada too.

[cl5b&scare]

And there is PPS from Denmark,(Air Support), they use lido for nav data base,and have a real handy internet based system that you can load plogs etc for crews to pick up down route, works a treat for me

[bacardi walla]

....and flightplanner.com from Universal in Houston. Web based, user friendly, nearly RAD compliant

[pietertje67]

nav systems

Before working with Lido, I used to work with air data.

[ralle72]

Originally Posted by pietertje67

Before working with Lido, I used to work with air data.

so you work with klm?

[Austin_Danger_Powers]

Originally Posted by ralle72

so you work with klm?

Hi Ralle!

Rgds Austin

[FL460]

And there is SITA, EDS (used to be the Phoenix at CO) and Sabre the old AA system

[Buster66]

Ones I am aware of:
- AirData http://www.airdata.co.uk/
- Jeppesen (can be internet or 'online' "OpsControl")
- SITA Flight Planning
- LADECO (was this the old Continental system housed at Los Angeles??)
- SWORD (BA in-house - I was told that flight planning was a part of the large SWORD system)

Cheers

[flyin high]

JetPlan

Flygprestanda of Malmo have a system as well. Theres a crowd called JetPlan in Canada too.

Any more info on JetPlan. Have not heard of them here.

[OOVEG]

Originally Posted by flyin high

Flygprestanda of Malmo have a system as well. Theres a crowd called JetPlan in Canada too.
Any more info on JetPlan. Have not heard of them here.

JetPlan is the Jeppesen system -- JetPlan.com, JetPlanner, and OpsControl.
The one in Canada is Navtech -- the LGW office is just a European Ops Centre, their main team is near Toronto Canada. Any news if buying Rodos/EAG will make the LGW office go away?

[chevvron]

Trouble with ALL these agencies is that they don't bother to check national procedures for correct arrival/departure routes. At my airfield, we're constantly having to point this out to operators and they answer 'oh we filed it via xxxx'

[Buster66]

Yes, a good point. However, this is operator error rather than the flight
planning system's fault. Operators (under JAR-Ops) are obliged to flight
plan correctly. If they do not, it could be caused by
anything from basic lack of training (to teach them awareness of SID's /
STAR's, RAD, CRD, UK SRD etc.etc.) to them possibly
having received an incorrect IFPS-compliant from the IFPS systems at
Brussels/Bretigny. There are, of course, times where the flight planning
systems fail (due computer failures either local or mainframe, AIRAC cycle
incompatibility etc.etc.) I believe, and I have seen it from both sides of this
situation, that both do try to do their absolute best.
Buster66

[JimKnopf]

we are working with FWZ (Flugwerkzeuge) which is the the BEST tool I ever worked with!!
The functionality of the fwz system is extensive,
Cost optimization with up-to-date CI(cost index)
City Pair Comparison
Dynamic Minimum Cost Random Routings
Delay Cost Management
Statistical evaluation tools
Exact calculation of worldwide overflight charges
Fully automatic ETOPS and EROPS handling
Integrated Ops Publications System
Weather data & interpretation
Graphical display of aircraft rotations
Charting module
Pilot Self Service module
NO I dont get any money for this... Itīs just my opinion
cheers,
jim

[crjlover]

In my airline we use the SITA tybe be but via a webpage. It's is faster than the older telex system but still has the old troubles of SITA. Specially with the SIDs and STARs that are loaded in the database but are not accepted by the flightplanning system.
I'm hopeing in LIDO

[NWBizJet]

By the look of it the SITA system still have the same issue. But I must admit their performance database is very good, I remember they need much more details than Jetplan does. The backbone of the system constructed well, but the auto route feature still remains an issue. I still remember the code book, sometime too much function. I have used PPS while I was in Germany sample to use but not something I would recommend for a jet aircraft. Anyway I still preferred the old jetplan. Never try others, but would love to one day.