Cap 371 - Days Off
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Cap 371 - Days Off
Advice required from a Rostering bod please.
CAP 371 para 20
www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP371.PDF
Regarding the above paragraph - in particular 20.4 d - would it be correct to say that any 12 week period must include 24 days off, and that Leave days do not count towards that total?
Help much appreciated.
CAP 371 para 20
www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP371.PDF
Regarding the above paragraph - in particular 20.4 d - would it be correct to say that any 12 week period must include 24 days off, and that Leave days do not count towards that total?
Help much appreciated.
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From: A small village on Mars just outside the capital city, Wooble.
Hi LoGo,
The way I have always been taught is that leave days DO count as days off, as do sick days, because they are days free from duty. I have worked for 3 charter airlines and none of them would allocate extra days off if a crew member had already had leave days.
With regards to the average 8 days off....It only has to 'average' 8 days off and the actual minimum is 7 (see point C). You can therefore have 9 in the first four weeks, 7 in the second and 8 in the third etc etc. This is calculated on a rolling basis so each three period block must contain an average of 8 days off per period.
Hope this helps
BTS
The way I have always been taught is that leave days DO count as days off, as do sick days, because they are days free from duty. I have worked for 3 charter airlines and none of them would allocate extra days off if a crew member had already had leave days.
With regards to the average 8 days off....It only has to 'average' 8 days off and the actual minimum is 7 (see point C). You can therefore have 9 in the first four weeks, 7 in the second and 8 in the third etc etc. This is calculated on a rolling basis so each three period block must contain an average of 8 days off per period.
Hope this helps
BTS
Alba Gu Brath
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Agree with BtS. As far as the CAA are concerned, leave days would count towards your 12 week totals. As would days off away from base. Some carriers have a pro-rata system for leave towards the days off in 12 weeks, but this will be through the scheduling agreement. Typical example is 3 days leave counts as 1 day off towards the 24 total.
Watch out next year, btw. Most of the fixed period rules in CAP371 are planned to change to rolling periods so it will be 7 days off in any 28 day period.
Watch out next year, btw. Most of the fixed period rules in CAP371 are planned to change to rolling periods so it will be 7 days off in any 28 day period.
Mach 3
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A single day off includes two local nights. A consecutive second day off shall include a further local night.
In this case, both Tuesday and Friday nights cannot count as "local" so how does one arrive at the total of "two"?
Thanks.
In this case, both Tuesday and Friday nights cannot count as "local" so how does one arrive at the total of "two"?
Thanks.
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SR71
Tuesday night does count as a local night as you finish before midnight - 'a period of 8 hours between 2200 and 0800 local'.
A local night can start at 2359 and finish at 0800 - 8 hours.
You have local nights on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday thus 2 days off.
Happy to help
CD
Tuesday night does count as a local night as you finish before midnight - 'a period of 8 hours between 2200 and 0800 local'.
A local night can start at 2359 and finish at 0800 - 8 hours.
You have local nights on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday thus 2 days off.
Happy to help
CD
