Rudderless FYI debates are not always balanced by numbers but speakers for and against.
The majority is no always right and the minority is not always wrong.
If you are indicative of the debators the Asn will present for the next 4 years I'm afraid the Companies will eat you up, and any reforms or progress that may happen will die with your baseless and emotional arguments.

Sonny, do you know what rebuttle is?
 

Well when you work it out, use it and repond to questions and points raised rather than just carrying on in your ignorance and defiance of reality. I believe we have answered with valid responses which you fail to flaw, you on the other hand continue with drivel. The majority may not always be right, but with nothing else to go by..........
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Gee Rudderless I'd suggest you input a bit of Aileron and Elevator lest you lose directional control.
The collective WE is interesting suggesting you are part of the WE.
Pres, V.P. Sec, Trustee I'd hope none of these roles judging by your ability to articulate

sonhouse it's a shame you and your mates weren't showing the same interest when Dixon and his mates were shuting Syd H.M down,it seems you only now have an interest when it is effecting YOU(changing of the old guard has limited your carrer advancement),if the same interest was shown by you and those d!ckheads over in Bexley i would not now have to be looking for another carrer

Sonny, what the!
 

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Relatively speaking the collective we is those on this thread.
Sonny I tried but I can't trim you out!
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Lets see who agrees with you and their reasons?

Sonhouse, interesting you mention the merits of a balanced debate, why then when you were moderating the ALAEA forum you banned those that would oppose your view and then once you had banned everyone you shut it down. Now comon now ! !

Help SKIP Sonny's in trouble!
 

Sonny I think you need the help of skippy.
That Kangaroo (wallaby) had more brains than that pack of morons assisting you to destroy the integrity of the association.

Time will tell
 

Well the new team are in, lets see what happens, as they say, time will be the deciding factor enough of the past, can we atleast look forward and discuss what the next phase is?
No more EBA's?
New Industrail Relation Laws?

I agreee with hardworker the past is past but the newbies will always remain scrutinised and accountable by others than themselves.
Will there be EBAs?
Only if the majority workforce backs them.
The WC laws for those that have bothered to read them attempts to divide the collective and coerce individuals into AWAs.
If individuals decide that they can get a better deal for themselves from individual AWAs they are saddly mistaken.
AWAs are designed by the current Government to remove Collective workplace leverage to negotiate pay and conditions to meet contempory requirements.
From 1996 onward this incumbent Government has always tried to divide the collect Workforce and with both Houses in the current Parliament they have designed a mechanism to do so.
As to Work Choices....conditions you currently enjoy are targeted by the Legislation/Act and can only be retained by stalwart and unrelenting unified opposition.
Everything becomes a test and any weakness will be exploited.
Hanging on to what you have will be a task enhancement...Well??

Sh!t eh?
Is that what work choices is all about?
Splitting the work Force. Who needs the federal government to do that when your own union executive was happy to do that for them.
I sincerely hope that the new regime doesn't follow the old regimes back door tactics of shafting sections of the workforce, while telling every one that thats what they really wanted.
Know anything about that sonhouse?
You wouldn't have told sections of the workers that Heavy Maintenance were happy to take o/t banking and reductions in tail payment conditions would you?

Turbo I do believe HW was attempting to move away from the blame culture you seem to be entrenched in.
The current Federal government will win when divisive malcontentents like yourself survive and have no positive strategy for the future.
Get over it Turbo you won, I certainly am.
Rather then whinge of the past how about you become the voice of the progressive future or is that to difficult.
Bitch about the past government is a doctrine of the Liberal Party and if you profess to be a person of the people why are you dwelling in the Liberal Party Magma?

Say What.........?Divisive you siily tw@. The executive you controlled successfully divided QF Lames like never before.

how about we start rebuilding the Alaea with the paper trail the old exec left the membership,that's right we can't because the whole lot went through the shreader,it's very hard to get on with it when you have no records of what went on for the last 30 yrs

Released Why are you distressed as to what has transpired since 1976 when the Members 1st have had executive sitting members that should be current with the executive issues with the Airlines and the Regulatory Authority.
The Members First were voted in to office by the faith of the majority vote of members given their campained ability to pick up and run with all the issues of LAMEs when they take office.
Are you suggesting the legacy of NEW office is too onerous and are already making excuses for lack of future acheivement?
I'd suggest this new broom that has been formed should be able to establish fresh and useful foundations with the company and regulartory contacts that will supercede all that went before them.
If not be carefull what you wish for.
By the way Tubo stop whining about your victory it is unbecoming.

You know what sonhouse? I may have misjudged you. I originally thought that you may have had some useful comment, but more and more you are starting to sound like the great toolbelted idiot.
So having said that ....why don't you just crawl back into the hole that you came from and lick your wounds in silence.

It may disturb you Tubo that I was never apart of the Federal Executive but a by-stander observing the new and former operations.
The new operation has spent a great deal of the past year castigating the then current Executive.
Critical comment is usefull but it comes at a cost.
Once you take over you must come up with new term usefull solutions.
Dont criticise the previous people unless you have a new and usfull solution.
Tubo and alot of posters on this site only like to castigate the previous without coming up with the new solution.

At present I don't see too many managers smiling from where i'm standing ? :sad:

The President's Transit notice stopped a certain manager having wholesale transits in his port. :=

I think these pr!cks walk the walk, I.O even told others he's 'Impressed' by the new president's direct questioning and the secretary's forthright style.

QF mightn't have things their own way now, maybe that's what the big Pow Wow is this week. :eek:

See how strong the backbone is. :ok:

Shouldn't that be APART FROM the Fed Ex.

Perhaps we should call "sonhouse" neil ?:}

Tubo was the previous federal executive so corrupt as to favour to the detriment of the members?
If so dont make half handed electronic comments...if they were say so...