FLS Time to go
 

Is it true that FLS have till November to sort out their problems, or the concrete company pulls the plug?

I like it.
We really should take this to the BBC.
Eastenders and Cora wouldn't get a look in.
"THE FLS FILES"

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So that you may not be the martyred slaves of Time,
get drunk, get drunk,
and never pause for rest!
With wine, poetry, or vitrtue,
as you choose!"

The present CEO was given the mandate by the shareholders in March to turn around a £325M loss into a £100M profit by October 2000. If he fails the the business would be sold off. The CEO is ex-BF Goodrich and is currently laid up in the USA with a pulled muscle in his leg.
Some say he is still at BFG allowing FLS to freefall so that BFG can pick up any good bits that are left within FLS at a good price in November.

So what is this Fomula 1 project actually doing for STN ?
Has anyone from the old management system been moved out and new blood brought in?
Hear they have somewhat doubled these manager positions why ?
How much has been paid to the trade mark holders, for the new project names?
Money going out every which way?

my pals there tell me that a load of folk
got made "redundant" to save money,
then they gradually brought a new load in !!!!!
whats going on ??
sounds a duff deal to me ?
jobs for the boys ?

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****Todays lesson...dont leave your coffee on the centre console *****

Is it true that FLS Line has relinquished 7 contracts, if so why? Is it because of a CAA audit? Also is it true FLS have breached their overdraft limit of £100 million with the concrete producers?

FLS Line has relinquished 7 contracts? They don't need to, the **** poor service makes most customers walk, if not run, away.
More excuses for not doing work than you could think of. Many still angry about Dan Air & all they want to do is take the money & do nothing!
When FLS Line goes down the tube only a few of the line staff will get a job, most of the good ones have already left. As for the lazy bunch, they will be off down the dole office. Could not survive contracting as they would have to work for a living.

FF Cat

Ref initial posting. Who would be the new names they have taken on, contract wise to make them a sucessful business?

Surely engine overhaul is different to actual aircraft "D" Checks, that is engine work could be bench type work, easily accessable?

I Agree, I hope that Mr Henderson gets the correct peolple.

Are the satisfied customers the ones who are getting thier work done at FLS's expense on flying hour rates? Messers Ryanair for instance?

Hope the new regime bites the bullet and pulls FLS thru this time of termoil.



[This message has been edited by plainoldfitter (edited 25 August 2000).]

FF Cat. Get your head out of the sand, FLS are in the S***. When contacted they never return calls even when told a/c are AOG.They leave the hangar with shoddy work carried out due lack of resourses. It will only get better with a COMPLETE change of managment, (senior and middle). The blokes on the shop floor are treading water whilst carrying managment on their shoulders, until this is resolved FLS won't get better.

Plainoldfitter - Even customers on flying hour contracts are not happy. Dozy Bell is right, the problem is not on the shop floor but at (lack of) managment level.

Hi guys, I think that it was goig to happen sooner or later. FLS don't seem to learn that in the Aerospace industry when you are buying a maintenance facility you don't buy one that is going down the toilet for the wrong reasons. When they bought Dan Air Engineering they got a diamond for the price of a pearl & they managed to balls that up by choosing Stansted instead of Gatwick as their base. The Diamond hangar historically never made any money before FLS bought it and they had to force customers from lasham to use it when they eventually finished the long drawn out layoff of the majority of the Lasham & Gatwick staff. Even then they were in trouble by the very methods of employment that they used that incensed contractors so much, ie. "oh yeah you can do an hour on this job to finish it then ****** off til 4.30 when I'll find you another job, by the way you won't be getting paid!" Dan Air weren't the only one's to feel FLS's grasp either as the boy's at Loveaux, Bournemouth know,well and truly sold down the river they were! When they bought out team and I started to see for my own eyes how badly a B checks end results could be when carried out by people with no interest in their job then I knew that yet again the writing was going to be on the the wall for FLS Aerosace UK. I was in Manchester & I talked to Birger Riisager along time ago when FLS still had Dan Air engineers working for them and he had just taken over. He told me then that the parent company was working for a long term plan but it was expecting to be making a profit after 5 years. Guess what happens when you make a !!!!! purchase with a bad rep? Yep down goes your profits. Virgin Atlantic saw the light pretty damn quick & pulled out of team, who else went too? Do they still get help from Europe?
I'm sorry to tell you guy's this, cos it's going to mean more job's (by the way there's been more than a few gone at LGW recently too) but I really believed Birger when I talked to him, He's a no nonsense guy & I know he's not the man, but he knew what the parent company's plans were & more than likely still are, so if you'll take my advice guys. Start looking for a new employer & get ready for a pretty pissy redundancy cheque. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif :rolleyes:

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So many brake packs, so little time. (:¬(

Just one point; If the parent company does pull the plug on aircraft maintenance as looks likely, how will the operators who rely on FLS keep going? No maintenance contract, no AOC! This begs the question, should wholescale aircraft maintenance be a service industry when so many airlines will be relient on so few companies? It is time for the larger operators to realise that it might look good on paper to farm everything out short term, but long term it is a very expensive way of doing things. On the assumption that FLS goes and the likes of easyJet, Ryanair, Air 2000, Airtours and Go are still in existance, somebody has to maintain their aircraft, so work will still be out there. I hope that everything works out for the guys and girls of FLS.

I heard a rumour last week that Mr Boeing
is very keen to buy FLS @ STN & MAN for their
european maintenace operation that they are setting up ?
I dont know if theres any truth in it, but
I hope someone will still be around to maintain the aircraft I fly !!

bets wishes to the guys & gals who work at the sharp end of FLS, all the ones I come into contact with are good folk & deserve better.


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****Todays lesson...dont leave your coffee on the centre console *****

I heard a rumour last week that Mr Boeing
is very keen to buy FLS @ STN & MAN for their
european maintenace operation that they are setting up ?
I dont know if theres any truth in the rumour, but I hope someone will still be around to maintain the aircraft I fly !!

best wishes to the guys & gals who work at the sharp end of FLS, all the ones I come into contact with are good folk & deserve much better.


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todays thought...
who tested Orville &
Wilbur Wright for their type rating & base checks ??? *****

I worked for Monarch and regularly the management would gather us together for the usual pep talk/threat. They would warn us that if things didn't improve we would all be out of a job!!!
The facts are that the only people that will be out of a job if the likes of Monarch or FLS "change ownership" (because they won't close) will be the s***e managers that caused all the problems in the first place.
There aren't enuf of us to go around.
A pal recently rang me very worried about his future with Brittania due to the takeover and I said to him what I say to all you FLS boys and girls "look forward to the change of name over the door and the new colour of overalls, it can only improve!"

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So that you may not be the martyred slaves of Time,
get drunk, get drunk,
and never pause for rest!
With wine, poetry, or vitrtue,
as you choose!"

Near enuf, where do ou get your quot from; it is a good one.

greaseytech,

"Get Drunk!"

One should always be drunk. That's all that matters;
that's our one imperative need. So as not to feel Time's
horrible burden one which breaks your shoulders and bows

you down, you must get drunk without cease.

But with what?
With wine, poetry, or virtue
as you choose.
But get drunk.

And if, at some time, on steps of a palace,
in the green grass of a ditch,
in the bleak solitude of your room,
you are waking and the drunkenness has already abated,
ask the wind, the wave, the stars, the clock,
all that which flees,
all that which groans,
all that which rolls,
all that which sings,
all that which speaks,
ask them, what time it is;
and the wind, the wave, the stars, the birds, and the clock,
they will all reply:

"It is time to get drunk!

So that you may not be the martyred slaves of Time,
get drunk, get drunk,
and never pause for rest!
With wine, poetry, or virtue,
as you choose!"

Stole it from one Charles Baudelaire!!!!

FLS time to go? Well it certainly is at Glasgow. They recruited 6 line engineers from good secure jobs with the promise of 320,757,737 and 777 courses to cover contracts with Airtours Easyjet and Continental. What they forgot to tell them was that only the Airtours contract had been signed. Hence three months after opening the base is closing AGAIN (2nd time in 3 years!).These guys are now out on their ***** and looking for jobs at a small airport where vacancies are few and far between. If this is typical of the way FLS treat their engineers then soon no one will want to work for them. A change of management could'nt come too soon for the guys up north.

What about the blokes down south Insp Gadget?

Still the same old faces in the wrong places!!! so I hear.

Will new CEO have the b@lls to cut the rot out?

There appears to be a certain amount of conjecture about the future of FLS at the moment. I was talking to an ex employee of FLS who was pretty well in the know!! FLS management have for years been telling the unions during pay negotiations that they are losing money and cannot afford a rise for the engineering staff etc etc....
So how come,all of a sudden,they claim they are owed so much money that,if they were paid it all they would be in profit!!
The figures quoted all appear a little wrong somehow..Let us conjecture a minute.
One ridiculous figure that has been muted was that the world owed them 50 million squids!!
Let's break this down to DC10 C checks:--
1 million per C check for instance means they are owed for 50 checks. Is this about 4 years work at Manchester?????
At the end of the day it sounds like more typical "British" management crap-- keep'em in the dark and feed'em bull!!!!.
LET US SURMISE---The parent company ARE pulling the plug let's face it. FLS have not made money since they started in the business and now they have to stand on their own 2 feet .I'm afraid the end must certainly be nigh. The advise to the engineers must be to get out quick. There will always be jobs for the engineers at the end of the day so don't worry lads and lasses... The management and upper echelons however may find that this doesn't apply to them! Oh dear, how sad, never mind..... http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/tongue.gif

[This message has been edited by SchmiteGoBust (edited 09 September 2000).]