Cones,
It would help me no end if you could get the papers to me. Please email me with your email address so I can send you a stamped addressed envelope.
My email is [email protected]

Thanks in advance.

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Me too please Cones. You can e-mail me from this link. Ta very much. By the way, any rumours out there as to who is putting in bids for Britannia's maintenance?

me too please cones, e mail is on my profile

I would love a copy of the questions if possible. I have just started down the road of LBP/self study. All help appreciated!!
e-mail to

[email protected]

Manchester based and I have questions and answer for electics, inst and autopilot combined. First come gets them. E mail me at [email protected].

Agazou,

Have e-mailed you to take you up on your offer through the above mentioned e-mail address.
If you don't receive it please contact me though the e-mail address listed here.
[email protected]
Thanks.
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Cones... please drop a copy in for me aswell.. thank-you
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Thank-you, from a student-of-life ...

Sorry to all concerned about the delay in getting questions sorted. I'm having technical problems at home and work, ie too much work to get things done, and when I do get the time, my scanner goes tech. In the meantime if anyone wants questions posted out to them, e-mail me at: [email protected]
It may be a while before I can publish them to the web as I don't know how long it will take to get my scanner back.
Sorry again guys.

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Hi Ya, yep, can you email the notes.

Thanks Mate

[email protected]

Coones R Us,

Did you ever get those questions sorted? If so, could you e-mail them to me? Thanks.

A couple of useful links:

There is a fair bit of info on JAR66 on the 'Campaign Aginst Aviation's' website: http://www.caa.co.uk/

And also worth a look:
http://www.jar66.com/listes-cours.html http://www.jar66.org/ http://www.airmech.co.uk/index.htm http://www.lae.mcmail.com/

Well Black Sheep, you're obviously full of sheep dip. After your comments, notice that all the replies are about getting the JAA questions. This is the real world, nobody wants to hear you go on about VC10's and how you met Wilbur Wright and how Wilbur asked you for advice on how to build an aircraft.

I am over 50 years of age and in middle management in a major airline and I never heard of a 6 hour oral in the UK except for people who just about scraped through the exam. My exams took 1 1/2 hours each and that was it!! They were typical times.

You should try move with the times, you've obviously got your head so far up your rams bottom you can't appreciate that the system is turning out some excellent young engineers. They don't all need to be made to stand to attention and get (or give) 6 hour orals to become good engineers, "just like they did in the old days".

Nothing wrong with JAA standards, just problems with how some people interpret them, and by the way.....what is JAR175??

How come aircraft maintenance related accidents are not increasing with the illeged reduction in safety standards. Have you noticed more accidents since they abolished the 6 hour oral? No, safety is on the increase, certainly in the UK. It's just whining old farts who like to go on and on about the old days and how things were so much better that makes people think standards are reducing.

Think positive, aviation is becoming a better place to be. JAA is here to stay and all you young engineers get out there and pass those exams and follow the industry safety standards. So when they tell you on your human factors course about the guy who says "but thats the way we always did it" now you know who that guy they're talking about is!!!!! BAAAAH

I have recently been to a CAA presentation on Safety Management and Maintenance Error Management Systems. Their research has shown an upward trend in maintenance error related accidents. If the trend continues there will be 1 significant hull loss every 8 days by the year 2012. This is also supported by major manufacturers and the FAA. This is not to say that Engineers are worse than they used to be, possibly in a number of instances are/will be better. But the whole system of A/C maintenance and the massive growth in air transport presents us with more opportunities to get it wrong ie. more aircraft = more opportunities for failure. The CAA promote the sharing of maintenance error details between companies and airlines, and a NPA145.60 which will be incorporated into JAR145 requires a maintenance organisation to keep a database of reportable incidents (MOR's). Errors not neccessarily the making of the inexperienced but of the numbers and the system!

Big Bad Wolf?Do you ever get out of the office?Open your eyes and ears to the people who know.
Also can anyone tell me why a U.K./CAA licence holder is to pay such a large amount for a JAR licence when most other member states are rubber stamping their changeover ?
Some of those states will issue this euro licence on the basis of a FAA qualification!!

Cones me old mate,
Could you please include me in the list of people to send questions to.. my e-mail is [email protected]
Thankyou very very much in advance!!!

Well BIGBADWOLF, You appear to have eaten too many little red riding hoods. You should get out of the office every now and then and take a look round. I have noticed a definite decrease in standards and more worrying still there are accidents related to maintenance that have occured recently involving fatalities. Ask the CAA..There is a definite errosion of standards going on probably due to many causes. The main one as far as I can see is lack of engineers and commercial pressures being applied to them. As far as the standards for the new JAR66 licences go I think it is too early to tell.I haven't converted mine yet so am unable to comment.

Big Bad Wolf,

I looked back and sure enough I did say JAR175. It is JAR 147 of course, how silly of me. Who the hell is (or was) Wilbur Wright? I must have been demobbed before he joined.

As you say, there are indeed a wonderfully keen, energetic and dedicated bunch of young men and women arriving in the industry every year. There always has been and I always enjoy being around them, it keeps you on your toes. In case you never noticed there are many fewer of them than there used to be. I may be a boring old fart but I do remember a time when LAEs got paid more than the average engineering technician's wage for for their efforts. They no longer do. Our working conditions have never changed but everyone else's have. Mostly for the better. (For those that work round the clock in foul weather and dirty conditions, think about how the oil industry compensates their workers.) This makes our industry less attractive to many of the brightest school-leavers and graduates. To compensate for the shortage in supply, JAR66 represents yet another reduction in the standards that will in future be applied to certification staff. I can't help noting that and its not just because I'm a boring old fart. Its a fact that the experience requirements are lower than previously. Yet the CAA have the temerity to charge ever more money for their ever less useful licences.
The industry is letting those bright keen young school leavers down and I consider that people who share your attitude are responsible. I don't need to worry, I'll retire soon and spend my days in the corner of the Rose and Crown, dribbling down my moleskin waistcoat and reciting war stories.

But its a sorry state that we are passing on to the next generation of aviation professionals.

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Dear CONES R US

In reply to your messages dated 8th March 2000---i would like to have the multi choice & essay questions if you still have them & if you r still online here!! I would like to have all of them --all the printing & postage paid by me--please let me know if you can help me with this!! My e-mail is [email protected]

Your message:

Getting back to the original question, I have a load of multi choice and essay questions that anyone is welcome to have copies of. I don't want to put my email address here so if anyone's interested, post a reply here or start a new message and I'll do my best to get them to you. :-)

With the resurrection of this thread I just noticed what I wrote six years ago. I still stand by every word.

There are still a few bright, keen young engineers coming into the industry only to be let down by the ever downwards spiralling effects of cost and corner cutting. Then many of them leave. Even Flight International has woken up and reported on the lack of maintenance engineers.

On the bright side, the resulting shortage of qualified people is starting to exert an upward pressure on wages and conditions. With any luck aircraft maintenance engineers will get back to the privileged position they deserve on the engineering industry salary scales and we'll attract more well qualified and motivated youngsters to replace us old farts on the firing line.

I'm off for a dribble down me waistcoat and another glass of Glenmorangie...