What would you suggest if the whole company culture is one of "pen it off" - there are some around. Go to the QA dept and they back the manager - then what? the good guy who digs his heels in is sacked. Do not get me wrong here, I am not a pen off merchant, but have seen guys who are not turn the corner through fear of losing thier job!!

If you are in charge, sack the main cuprits and start again.

If you aren't, leave.

G

Whilst our masters pay our wages, there will always be an element "commercial awareness" to be considered.

Dr A300,

I'm with Genghis and Tempsford - pass the problem on. I've had several people - remote from the problem-say "I'd sign it". All very well, because they know they are not in a position to sign "it".

Managers inclined to encourage pen-off merchants will, most likely, hide behind stipulations in the MOE if the brown stuff hits the fan!