Broken Airbus@MAN (merged)
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Broken Airbus @ MAN
BA currently have a BHX based A320 on the ground at MAN after diverting their with engine trouble.
Due to the fact that BA currently have 45 engineers on Gardening leave at Man and have closed the Hangar, they no longer have enough engs. to carry out the engine change.
Engineers at LHR are now refusing to travel to Man to fix aircraft in support of the Gardeners.
So BA have sent two management engineers to progress the job.
Just remember the last time management fixed an aircraft during a dispute the Captain ended up doing an extenal inspection of the Nose-cone at 10,000 ft :
Due to the fact that BA currently have 45 engineers on Gardening leave at Man and have closed the Hangar, they no longer have enough engs. to carry out the engine change.
Engineers at LHR are now refusing to travel to Man to fix aircraft in support of the Gardeners.
So BA have sent two management engineers to progress the job.
Just remember the last time management fixed an aircraft during a dispute the Captain ended up doing an extenal inspection of the Nose-cone at 10,000 ft :
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From: 58-33N. 00-18W. Peterborough UK
If you are referring to the BAC-111 windscreen accident, June
10, 1990; British Airways G-BJRT; over Didcot, Oxfordshire, this was a hangar engineer who used metric instead of proper bolts when he replaced the left side windscreen. Capt ( Lancaster??) ended up with one helluva view.
10, 1990; British Airways G-BJRT; over Didcot, Oxfordshire, this was a hangar engineer who used metric instead of proper bolts when he replaced the left side windscreen. Capt ( Lancaster??) ended up with one helluva view.
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Correct Tewkesbury, this is a well documented case used frequently in Human Factors training.
When will BA ever learn, they did the same back in the seventies when they shut the 1-11 hangar at MAN, and ended up with no cover for aircraft etc etc. 25 yrs later they are still pulling the same old routine!!!
When will BA ever learn, they did the same back in the seventies when they shut the 1-11 hangar at MAN, and ended up with no cover for aircraft etc etc. 25 yrs later they are still pulling the same old routine!!!
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In the interest of clarity, the AAIB report(1/92 - EW/C1165) states that the SMM who carried out the windscreen change had done 6 previous ones, but had not done one for two years. It insinuates that his failure to carry out basic checks to identify the "right" parts was in some way due to this previous experience. BA's procedures at Birmingham at that time allowed him to make the change without having his work checked.
The incorrect bolts in question were a mixture of wrong diameter/right length and right diameter/wrong length. Some of these had been present in the windscreen BEFORE the change.
A check on BA BAC-111s after the incident found two other aircraft with incorrect(short) bolts fitted. Two other 111s, non-BA, were found with 107 incorrect(short) bolts fitted.
The incorrect bolts in question were a mixture of wrong diameter/right length and right diameter/wrong length. Some of these had been present in the windscreen BEFORE the change.
A check on BA BAC-111s after the incident found two other aircraft with incorrect(short) bolts fitted. Two other 111s, non-BA, were found with 107 incorrect(short) bolts fitted.
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Minimum is 5 during the critical bits.......lining up the mounts.
one person per winch (4 off) and the other (Usually the Licensed Engineer) ensuring correct alignment. Then requires 2 CRS signatories for the correct torque on the attachment bolts and re-connects.
one person per winch (4 off) and the other (Usually the Licensed Engineer) ensuring correct alignment. Then requires 2 CRS signatories for the correct torque on the attachment bolts and re-connects.
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BA Engineering at MAN
Remember the incident well. Seems like BA will never learn. Well done the LHR boys and girls for supporting their colleagues at MAN!!!!
On another note...........I really miss the 1-11. Doesn't anyone else? Far more character and beauty than the current crop of busses around.
Still, things have to move on, I guess.
On another note...........I really miss the 1-11. Doesn't anyone else? Far more character and beauty than the current crop of busses around.
Still, things have to move on, I guess.
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<<BA currently have a BHX based A320 on the ground at MAN >>
Didnt realise BA had A320's at BHX
Yet another accurate post trying to degrade BA's attempts at profitability.
Havent you got anything better to talk about?
Didnt realise BA had A320's at BHX
Yet another accurate post trying to degrade BA's attempts at profitability.
Havent you got anything better to talk about?
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As far as I know BA have Airbus A319 (BA Mainline), various regional types (ERJ145 etc) of BACE and various CRJ/Boeing equipment of Maersk Air based at BHX, but no A320's. It's probably an A319 diverted into MAN. I remember when BA used to have A319's in their hangar at MAN from LHR/BHX for maintenance or whatever, they used to operate BA's Manchester services for a few days after their maintenance, MAN-CDG/MAN-AMS returns for example, in place of the B735's before returning to their bases down south.
Is the BA hangar totally closed now then? Did BA ever perform work for other airlines in the MAN hangar?
Cheers
Landing_24R
Is the BA hangar totally closed now then? Did BA ever perform work for other airlines in the MAN hangar?
Cheers
Landing_24R
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crusin level
I would have thought that the possible use of engineers to change an engine, who probably have very little recency "on the tools" is indeed a worthy point for these pages, apart from being of interest to our pilot colleagues.
Additionally BA need little assistance in being unprofitable, they are doing very nicely by themselves.
I would have thought that the possible use of engineers to change an engine, who probably have very little recency "on the tools" is indeed a worthy point for these pages, apart from being of interest to our pilot colleagues.
Additionally BA need little assistance in being unprofitable, they are doing very nicely by themselves.
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When is Compulsary not Compulsary
The answer is when its applied to the 40 plus engineers on gardening leave at MAN.
At todays ENF meeting their manager with say that unless they except a job at LHR on a 12 year old redeployment package then they will have made themselves reduntant, the union will roll over and say its not COMPUSARY.
Watch this space for more info, who's next???
At todays ENF meeting their manager with say that unless they except a job at LHR on a 12 year old redeployment package then they will have made themselves reduntant, the union will roll over and say its not COMPUSARY.
Watch this space for more info, who's next???
Last edited by Sick Squid; 2nd August 2002 at 09:31.