BA/cityflyer Avro RJ Changes
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BA/cityflyer Avro RJ Changes
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any update on what is happening to the BA RJ100 fleet that were based at LGW? I know they are supposed to be getting split 8 a piece between BHX and MAN at some point but when is this likely to happen and who will be providing the maintenance support at each station??
On a more important note,what is happening to the "chippy fryer" engineers that are currently based at LGW,are u guys being offered relocation packages or are you going to get type trained on the 737's that are going to form the BA short haul fleet at LGW?
Hope the ever looming Axe is far from your doorsteps.
Best Rgds,
146bloke
Does anyone have any update on what is happening to the BA RJ100 fleet that were based at LGW? I know they are supposed to be getting split 8 a piece between BHX and MAN at some point but when is this likely to happen and who will be providing the maintenance support at each station??
On a more important note,what is happening to the "chippy fryer" engineers that are currently based at LGW,are u guys being offered relocation packages or are you going to get type trained on the 737's that are going to form the BA short haul fleet at LGW?
Hope the ever looming Axe is far from your doorsteps.
Best Rgds,
146bloke
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At MAN the last of the 737s will be gone by September so I assume that the RJ100s will be up there by then.
As for BHX, the last news was that it would be at least a year before all the A319s have gone, but as yet no BACE engineering set-up exists!
A couple of blokes are transferring to BACE at the end of the month, (from BA Eng) at MAN.
Also MAN engineers are being offered posts at BHX even though in a years time there won't be a BA Eng prescence needed there.
Hope this helps.
As for BHX, the last news was that it would be at least a year before all the A319s have gone, but as yet no BACE engineering set-up exists!
A couple of blokes are transferring to BACE at the end of the month, (from BA Eng) at MAN.
Also MAN engineers are being offered posts at BHX even though in a years time there won't be a BA Eng prescence needed there.
Hope this helps.
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How are we supposed to know when we're not told anything, offered training or any insight into our future.
In the words of Ruby Murray there are no "Chippy Fryer" engineers any more. Only BA ones and you'll be shafted along with everyone else.
In the words of Ruby Murray there are no "Chippy Fryer" engineers any more. Only BA ones and you'll be shafted along with everyone else.
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rumour is 4 to bhx, 6 to man rest unknown ( ps we have 5 already) by end of August......bacx has an engineering presence at BHX it is contracted to caladonian who do are 145's
Management are keeping a low profile on who is crewing them/ we already use ba cc/ maintaining them or who the operations staff will be for the fleet BHX ops or IOM ops.
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Management are keeping a low profile on who is crewing them/ we already use ba cc/ maintaining them or who the operations staff will be for the fleet BHX ops or IOM ops.
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ITLBEFINE.
No, I do not class BACE as BA not as far as Engineering is concerned.
BACE is a wholly owned subsiduary of BA. The contracts, pay rates, staff travel, pension, are all different, (poorer?)
Eng staff from MAN have gone to BACE on BRAND NEW CONTRACTS. No TUPE agreement.
As for the BHX problem, The engineers there will go through the same debacle, next year as MAN are going through now.
The difference, if there is one is that BA Eng have still got a seperate prescence at MAN alongside the BACE engineering setup.
I have no bef with the BACE engineers just the way this total mess has been handled.
No, I do not class BACE as BA not as far as Engineering is concerned.
BACE is a wholly owned subsiduary of BA. The contracts, pay rates, staff travel, pension, are all different, (poorer?)
Eng staff from MAN have gone to BACE on BRAND NEW CONTRACTS. No TUPE agreement.
As for the BHX problem, The engineers there will go through the same debacle, next year as MAN are going through now.
The difference, if there is one is that BA Eng have still got a seperate prescence at MAN alongside the BACE engineering setup.
I have no bef with the BACE engineers just the way this total mess has been handled.
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Hovis I know it's s*** when you are made redundant, I have been there also but your job at BA Manchester has gone and unless you can get another job with equal pay and conditions with another operator at Man then BA Cityexpress is not a bad place to work as an engineer. The problem as I see it is that many within BA still see themselves as superior to everyone else they may be slightly better paid but superior, open to debate.
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The only thing superior about BA Engineering is/was the total renumeration package.
EG.
BA LAE £35000/annum, Final salary pension index linked! Staff travel (especially interline agreements.) Relocation and redeployment agreements, (although now poorer due to inflation, still more than anywhere else in the industry.)
BACE LAE £29000/annum, money purchase scheme pension.
The actual engineers themselves, on average, are no different no matter where they are.
I have never considerd myself a "superior" engineer, just a relatively well looked after one and I do not want to lose that!
If the T&C at BACE were up to my current package I would have jumped at the chance, assuming they thought I was any good!
However, the future of BACE engineering looks far safer than BA especially at MAN and BHX.
Good luck to the three that did take the offer, just make sure you have plenty of ear plugs around when VOB is on shift!
EG.
BA LAE £35000/annum, Final salary pension index linked! Staff travel (especially interline agreements.) Relocation and redeployment agreements, (although now poorer due to inflation, still more than anywhere else in the industry.)
BACE LAE £29000/annum, money purchase scheme pension.
The actual engineers themselves, on average, are no different no matter where they are.
I have never considerd myself a "superior" engineer, just a relatively well looked after one and I do not want to lose that!
If the T&C at BACE were up to my current package I would have jumped at the chance, assuming they thought I was any good!
However, the future of BACE engineering looks far safer than BA especially at MAN and BHX.
Good luck to the three that did take the offer, just make sure you have plenty of ear plugs around when VOB is on shift!
