UKCAA wont accept any OJT record that was written before passing all the modules ?!!?
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UKCAA wont accept any OJT record that was written before passing all the modules ?!!?
Yesterday i was chatting with one of my friends and he struck me with some news , he said to me that he's heard that the UKCAA would disregard any On job training record prior to passing ALL OF THE MODULES !! meaning that if i attended the courses of the modules and i happened to fail one of them then carried it while doing OJT and then passed it during my OJT period all the record that was written in the logbook will be taken dim view of and the record starts counting only from the time when i pass my last module !
The problem now is , iv been doing my training for 1 year and 9 months and i just passed all my modules like 3 months ago ( was aviation legislation i had a great deal of difficulty to pass this one took me 3 attempts plus i postponed a bit at writing the resits ) ,i tried looking it up in the UKCAA site but there was no mention in respect to this matter all it says is that i have to do a training for 2 years and pass my modules so as to get a license, so i started doubting the correctness of what my friend said ? so is what he said true ?can anyone who has closer contact with the UKCAA help me in verifying this ?
Thanks in advance and sorry for lingering the question .
The problem now is , iv been doing my training for 1 year and 9 months and i just passed all my modules like 3 months ago ( was aviation legislation i had a great deal of difficulty to pass this one took me 3 attempts plus i postponed a bit at writing the resits ) ,i tried looking it up in the UKCAA site but there was no mention in respect to this matter all it says is that i have to do a training for 2 years and pass my modules so as to get a license, so i started doubting the correctness of what my friend said ? so is what he said true ?can anyone who has closer contact with the UKCAA help me in verifying this ?
Thanks in advance and sorry for lingering the question .
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Thanks for the reply
it makes no sense anyways why would the uk CAA impose such a derisory law it wont make any difference if the record was written in advance of passing the modules or upon passing them ,
i just need some official confirmation to eliminate all the scrupling .
it makes no sense anyways why would the uk CAA impose such a derisory law it wont make any difference if the record was written in advance of passing the modules or upon passing them ,
i just need some official confirmation to eliminate all the scrupling .
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I checked there already it does not mention anything regarding that , and the guy that told me that says that he's heard some stories of license applicants that got turned down by virtue of this , thats why i just want to make sure .
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OJT after or before?
I agree with NODRAMA, there is nothing in EASA ,AMCs or GMs that says that, unless anyone out there can show me/us.
Experiance is experiance.
This could be in house rule made up by the trainig orginisation to charge more for longer.
Let us know if there is such a law.
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Experiance is experiance.
This could be in house rule made up by the trainig orginisation to charge more for longer.
Let us know if there is such a law.
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Fully agree with previous posts. Experience is experience no matter where, when or how gained. List all tasks, irrelevant how simple or small and be under no pressure to 'tick all boxes' strictly to any percieved 'set' time limit. These periods of time to qualify for an EASA Part 66 AML are simply a MINIMUM - worth remembering..
As an aside, much of my personal submitted OJT documentation for my EASA Part 66 AML was based on actual work I had certified under my FAA licence/approvals. The ancient chunky WHSmith OJT book I created over time for the FAA licence (over 10 years ago) would be viewed with disdain due to 'not quite per ATA chapter' layout & condition by our wonderful NAA I'm sure!
Personally, I don't give a monkeys as long as any OJT record is truthful, the content meets the minimum requirement & importantly, knowledge is earnt.
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As an aside, much of my personal submitted OJT documentation for my EASA Part 66 AML was based on actual work I had certified under my FAA licence/approvals. The ancient chunky WHSmith OJT book I created over time for the FAA licence (over 10 years ago) would be viewed with disdain due to 'not quite per ATA chapter' layout & condition by our wonderful NAA I'm sure!
Personally, I don't give a monkeys as long as any OJT record is truthful, the content meets the minimum requirement & importantly, knowledge is earnt.
BAe
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Thanks everyone
As far as your replies, i believe that that was just a mere fabrication and a ludicrous rumor , so i'll just take it with a pinch of salt .
Thanks again
As far as your replies, i believe that that was just a mere fabrication and a ludicrous rumor , so i'll just take it with a pinch of salt .
Thanks again
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From the ELGD document
An applicant for a category B1 licence must have
completed a prescribed period of aircraft maintenance
experience. This experience is to be relevant to the
licence category required and to the maintenance
experience of operating aircraft. This experience
should include maintenance on aircraft structure,
powerplant, mechanical and electrical systems and
replacement of avionic LRU’s requiring simple tests to
prove their serviceability.
D3.2 ‘Recent Practical Maintenance
Experience’
All applicants must have gained at least one year’s
experience on aircraft typical of the category or
sub-category applied for. Of this one year’s experience,
six months must have been gained in the 12 months
immediately before application. The remainder must
have been gained in the 7 years before application.
A reduction in the experience requirement may be
considered for certain applicants who fall into either
category below. There are currently no standard
assessment terms for these applications and therefore
applicants are advised, before applying for licence
issue, to ensure they meet the experience criteria in
accordance with Part-66.A.30 and AMC 66.A.30 (a).
Where an assessment of course material and/or
experience is requested by the applicant, an
assessment charge will be made in accordance with
the CAA Scheme of Charges.
D4.1 ‘Skilled Worker’
A skilled worker is a person who has successfully
completed a course of training, acceptable to the CAA,
involving the manufacture, repair, overhaul or
inspection of mechanical, electrical or electronic
equipment. The training would have included the use of
tools and measuring devices.
D4.2 Experience Required
B1.1 and B1.3 applicants must demonstrate 3 years
experience where the applicant has already qualified in
another profession as above (D4.1).
B1.2 and B1.4 applicants must demonstrate 2 years
experience in a civil maintenance environment
appropriate to the category applied for, where the
applicant has already qualified in another profession as
above (D4.1).
D4.3 ‘Other Experienced Applicants’
Aircraft maintenance experience gained outside a civil
aircraft maintenance environment can include
experience gained in armed forces, coast guards and
police.
D4.4 Experience Required
B1.1 and B1.3 applicants must demonstrate 1 years
experience in a civil maintenance environment
appropriate to the category applied for, where the
applicant can provide satisfactory evidence of working
in one of the above disciplines (D4.3 refers).
B1.2 and B1.4 applicants must demonstrate 1 years
experience in a civil maintenance environment
appropriate to the category applied for, where the
applicant can provide satisfactory evidence of working
in one of the above disciplines (D4.3 refers).
D4.5 ‘Non EU Applicants’
Aircraft maintenance engineers with experience
working on operational civil aircraft outside of the EU
member states, may claim that experience towards the
grant of a Part-66 licence, providing that the experience
is deemed acceptable by the CAA.
D4.6 Experience Required
All applicants must meet the full experience
requirements. Experience claimed towards a Part-66
licence must meet the standards of Part-145 and must
be correctly authenticated in a manner acceptable to
the CAA.
completed a prescribed period of aircraft maintenance
experience. This experience is to be relevant to the
licence category required and to the maintenance
experience of operating aircraft. This experience
should include maintenance on aircraft structure,
powerplant, mechanical and electrical systems and
replacement of avionic LRU’s requiring simple tests to
prove their serviceability.
D3.2 ‘Recent Practical Maintenance
Experience’
All applicants must have gained at least one year’s
experience on aircraft typical of the category or
sub-category applied for. Of this one year’s experience,
six months must have been gained in the 12 months
immediately before application. The remainder must
have been gained in the 7 years before application.
A reduction in the experience requirement may be
considered for certain applicants who fall into either
category below. There are currently no standard
assessment terms for these applications and therefore
applicants are advised, before applying for licence
issue, to ensure they meet the experience criteria in
accordance with Part-66.A.30 and AMC 66.A.30 (a).
Where an assessment of course material and/or
experience is requested by the applicant, an
assessment charge will be made in accordance with
the CAA Scheme of Charges.
D4.1 ‘Skilled Worker’
A skilled worker is a person who has successfully
completed a course of training, acceptable to the CAA,
involving the manufacture, repair, overhaul or
inspection of mechanical, electrical or electronic
equipment. The training would have included the use of
tools and measuring devices.
D4.2 Experience Required
B1.1 and B1.3 applicants must demonstrate 3 years
experience where the applicant has already qualified in
another profession as above (D4.1).
B1.2 and B1.4 applicants must demonstrate 2 years
experience in a civil maintenance environment
appropriate to the category applied for, where the
applicant has already qualified in another profession as
above (D4.1).
D4.3 ‘Other Experienced Applicants’
Aircraft maintenance experience gained outside a civil
aircraft maintenance environment can include
experience gained in armed forces, coast guards and
police.
D4.4 Experience Required
B1.1 and B1.3 applicants must demonstrate 1 years
experience in a civil maintenance environment
appropriate to the category applied for, where the
applicant can provide satisfactory evidence of working
in one of the above disciplines (D4.3 refers).
B1.2 and B1.4 applicants must demonstrate 1 years
experience in a civil maintenance environment
appropriate to the category applied for, where the
applicant can provide satisfactory evidence of working
in one of the above disciplines (D4.3 refers).
D4.5 ‘Non EU Applicants’
Aircraft maintenance engineers with experience
working on operational civil aircraft outside of the EU
member states, may claim that experience towards the
grant of a Part-66 licence, providing that the experience
is deemed acceptable by the CAA.
D4.6 Experience Required
All applicants must meet the full experience
requirements. Experience claimed towards a Part-66
licence must meet the standards of Part-145 and must
be correctly authenticated in a manner acceptable to
the CAA.
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As shown in the post by 'spanners', there is a requirement to have at least 6 months recent experience. It may be that these people that have had there applications turned down didn't have this recent experience...and that gap in experience just happened to coincide with the period that they were studying for modules.
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Its been officially confirmed for me now by a CAA guy upon contacting the UKCAA, that this story is an absolute bollox and experience is experience wether i used to be a mechanic 2 years before going for the 147 organization and writing the modules or i happened to do it in my apprenticeship .
Thanks a lot everyone for your help i appreciate it a big time .
Regards
Thanks a lot everyone for your help i appreciate it a big time .
Regards
