Is there really a lack of Engineers?
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Glad to hear that alber, i think companies are now well aware the average college trained "engineer" is a complete waste of time in the real world, and whats needed are guys who can actually get out the spanners and do the job, however its a damn shame for the guys the colleges are hoodwinking
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Eagleskinner & I are from the same era,I was trained in the RAF,joining in 1970.The main difference from what I can see between todays freshly trained mechs/engs/techs is that in the old days you got the experience then tried for your licence.These days it's the opposite.
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I was speaking to an engineering yesterday based in Standsted for Inflight Limited...he haat his firm is cutting 50% of its workforce and others are to follow suit. The recession is hitting harder this year becuase people had paid for their holidays in advance prioir to the recession.
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From my understanding, this is the "preferred" way of doing it (at least with the major airlines - GA still doesn't understand CAO100.66). That is finish all the exams up front and then go out to get some real hands on experience. I would have thought a dedication to completing the exams would have been preferred by industry. Employers don't have to release them for blocks of classroom time and consequently gain increase productivity.
Qantas in Queensland will ONLY recruit this way (and then only through a well known college). I expect the other major airlines are similar (or will be soon). Then again it was that their instigation that said college was formed.
The current mess of examinations (CAR31 and Part 147/CAO100.66) means I have passed done the "wrong" exams. Irrespective of both CASA and college views I should have done CAR31 exams (but @$100/each I don't have a spare 4K to do them.)
Qantas in Queensland will ONLY recruit this way (and then only through a well known college). I expect the other major airlines are similar (or will be soon). Then again it was that their instigation that said college was formed.
The current mess of examinations (CAR31 and Part 147/CAO100.66) means I have passed done the "wrong" exams. Irrespective of both CASA and college views I should have done CAR31 exams (but @$100/each I don't have a spare 4K to do them.)
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I was trained in the RAF,joining in 1970.......in the old days you got the experience then tried for your licence
In the very old days we joined from school, spent three years sitting in RAF Halton classrooms and on the training airfield. Only after we had done all the theory and passed all the exams were we allowed out into the real world to "get some in" before we became certifying Aircraft Fitters as NCOs. Civilian apprenticeships were pretty similar, but of course in those days licences were different. There was no basic licence, you did your work sheets, sat the papers and had a three hour oral on the type you were applying for.
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GA still doesn't understand CAO100.66
Whissper my suggestion is find a GA company that will take you on as an AME, so you are on a real wage, then gain your experience and during that time sit your CASA exams. You still need 4 years in the industry to apply for a license. If you find a good company they will pay your way thru the exams (if you pass). Maybe by that time GA might understand it better but for now there are a lot of gaps in its implementation
4k is a bit expensive , you only need 1.3k for a basic license
MATMAX I have no idea about EASA contacts.
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Hasherucf,
I am not looking for EASA contacts but contacts to send my docs ...
I am B1+B2 unlimited with 330 , 340 , 767 , 747 , 744 and 777 ...
Thanks in advance.
I am not looking for EASA contacts but contacts to send my docs ...
I am B1+B2 unlimited with 330 , 340 , 767 , 747 , 744 and 777 ...
Thanks in advance.
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At Madmachin... I totally agree with Ludlow. You better get a life and stop jumping on every thread to bash EK.
Probably right but when making a runner after receiving qualifications on their costs... guess every airline would do so and have the right to do.
Ah, and YES we do know where LFBO is, in and out several times !
Take it easy !
my problems with them are not fixed because they do not want to fix it !
FYI , they make me loose a lot of money and offered everything i have left to some VPs and "charity" and they asked me to pay my "dues" !!!
Thats a very well organized fraud
FYI , they make me loose a lot of money and offered everything i have left to some VPs and "charity" and they asked me to pay my "dues" !!!
Thats a very well organized fraud
Ah, and YES we do know where LFBO is, in and out several times !
Take it easy !
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Mr Bidalot , le pot d'echappement ,
About what i said : I am totally right.
"but when making a runner after receiving qualifications on their costs" , you are wrong , i got already all my types before joining ... Mate , don't you think that it is better to say nothing when you do not know ...?
FYI , i am trying to take it easy but even after i have paid what they call my "dues" , they are still creating problems ... thats the reason why i am bashing on them ...
They have lost a lot of good guys , and they will loose some more , i am just explaining here the way they are acting with people only to "protect" their business and that they are treating people as slaves ...it is also to avoid others to do the same mistake except if you like to hurt yourself ...be careful of the Stockholm syndrome.
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About what i said : I am totally right.
"but when making a runner after receiving qualifications on their costs" , you are wrong , i got already all my types before joining ... Mate , don't you think that it is better to say nothing when you do not know ...?
FYI , i am trying to take it easy but even after i have paid what they call my "dues" , they are still creating problems ... thats the reason why i am bashing on them ...
They have lost a lot of good guys , and they will loose some more , i am just explaining here the way they are acting with people only to "protect" their business and that they are treating people as slaves ...it is also to avoid others to do the same mistake except if you like to hurt yourself ...be careful of the Stockholm syndrome.
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@MM
did see you finally deleted your self created additional user and the " muzzle " comments...nice to see that you are on a good way to get over it and to recover!
Now as you are on a good way we both gonna work on the query not to turn every thread into your own job souk, ok ? Believe me, one day you will return back to normal with a little aid, YES WE CAN !
Now as you are on a good way we both gonna work on the query not to turn every thread into your own job souk, ok ? Believe me, one day you will return back to normal with a little aid, YES WE CAN !
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hihihi Mr Bidalot , you are so funny or maybe you are under a camel since too long , is it so sunny under a camel or maybe something else burnt your brain ?
Now as your english does not look so good , may i suggest you to send me some pm in French and not to disturb this thread with all your cr@p .
Back to the thread.
Now as your english does not look so good , may i suggest you to send me some pm in French and not to disturb this thread with all your cr@p .
Back to the thread.
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The business is upside down as a result of the lack of continuity of thought in our global craft. Industry seeks the easy to manipulate people that find refuge in bashing our brethren. Please contribute positively only.
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I entered the marvellous world of aircraft engineering by joining the RNZAF shortly before my 17th birthday. I knew nothing about aircraft and it was the only escape route available to me from a small town with little future. They trained me and following completion of my courses, practical experience and passing my NZCE (Aero) I was then thrust into the real world of supervising maintenance work as a corporal.
When I was 20 they put me onto their Improved Maintenance Programme where I learnt to apply MSG2 analytical techniques and as part of an incredible team rewrote the servicing schedules for one of their aircraft. I was sent to McDonnell Douglas, Pratt & Whitney and the USN to compare notes with what we were doing with our aircraft maintenance, compared to what they were doing with theirs. I learnt about maintenance scheduling and critical path planning so that the new maintenance schedules could be phased into the fleet.
I left the RNZAF when I was 24 and worked part time at night in the civilian industry at the local airport servicing an emerging airline's planes and obtained my LAME when I was 25 (which I found to be extremely difficult but passed first time).
By the time I was 26 I was no longer in the aviation industry and was working in the construction industry. With the world at my feet what made me leap out of an industry that was so difficult to get into in the first place and remains so difficult to enter and become qualified in now?
MONEY. Thank goodness I was smart enough (mature enough?) to realise that way back then 30 years ago. While I have missed the technical challenge of servicing aircraft I have found that other careers are just as viable, equally as challenging and almost as enjoyable.
So before all you bright eyed youths leap into a low paying job where airlines will mercilessly exploit your lack of pragmatism with the prospect of obtaining a qualification that is mostly useless outside of the aviation industry, think carefully if you still want to be topping up oil, kicking tyres and checking for cracks 30 years from now. Very few of you will get a career fulfilling job of any type and even fewer will make it into management.
My only regret is to see that what the RNZAF provided me all those years ago seems to be sadly no longer available today.
When I was 20 they put me onto their Improved Maintenance Programme where I learnt to apply MSG2 analytical techniques and as part of an incredible team rewrote the servicing schedules for one of their aircraft. I was sent to McDonnell Douglas, Pratt & Whitney and the USN to compare notes with what we were doing with our aircraft maintenance, compared to what they were doing with theirs. I learnt about maintenance scheduling and critical path planning so that the new maintenance schedules could be phased into the fleet.
I left the RNZAF when I was 24 and worked part time at night in the civilian industry at the local airport servicing an emerging airline's planes and obtained my LAME when I was 25 (which I found to be extremely difficult but passed first time).
By the time I was 26 I was no longer in the aviation industry and was working in the construction industry. With the world at my feet what made me leap out of an industry that was so difficult to get into in the first place and remains so difficult to enter and become qualified in now?
MONEY. Thank goodness I was smart enough (mature enough?) to realise that way back then 30 years ago. While I have missed the technical challenge of servicing aircraft I have found that other careers are just as viable, equally as challenging and almost as enjoyable.
So before all you bright eyed youths leap into a low paying job where airlines will mercilessly exploit your lack of pragmatism with the prospect of obtaining a qualification that is mostly useless outside of the aviation industry, think carefully if you still want to be topping up oil, kicking tyres and checking for cracks 30 years from now. Very few of you will get a career fulfilling job of any type and even fewer will make it into management.
My only regret is to see that what the RNZAF provided me all those years ago seems to be sadly no longer available today.
A very erudite post J52.
Except this bit...
Most of us find "topping up oil, kicking tyres and checking for cracks" quite fulfilling enough and have no intention of applying for a management position. 
You're spot on about the money though.
Except this bit...
think carefully if you still want to be topping up oil, kicking tyres and checking for cracks 30 years from now. Very few of you will get a career fulfilling job of any type and even fewer will make it into management.
You're spot on about the money though.
I too struggled to get away from being a printing apprentice in a small town in the UK. I'd failed to qualify for BOAC, BEA and even BMI. So I turned to the least qualification of all - the RAF!
I eventually joined as an airfame mechanic and passed into the world of helicopters straight from training, where I thoroughly enjoyed the work both on the Line and Scheduled maintenance, learning from all the "old Folk" who were keen to show me what to do.
I eventually got my Fitters Course and spent what seemed like a lifetime in Halton's halls of terror and boredom, culminating in my release to Buccaneers...
I spent 24 years in that mob - eventually leaving (with several BCAR LWTR's under my belt) to move straight into the world of civil aviation and their QA systems.
I then started learning more and more of the "new" fields of maintenance that I hadn't encountered in the RAF - Brilliant! I learned loads of new stuff from new "old Folk" who were again so keen to show me what they knew.
Now I'm a QA Manager and I'm the old Folk.. but I haven't stopped learning yet.
And I still love the job, but I don't kick tyres or stand in the cold and wet.
I eventually joined as an airfame mechanic and passed into the world of helicopters straight from training, where I thoroughly enjoyed the work both on the Line and Scheduled maintenance, learning from all the "old Folk" who were keen to show me what to do.
I eventually got my Fitters Course and spent what seemed like a lifetime in Halton's halls of terror and boredom, culminating in my release to Buccaneers...
I spent 24 years in that mob - eventually leaving (with several BCAR LWTR's under my belt) to move straight into the world of civil aviation and their QA systems.
I then started learning more and more of the "new" fields of maintenance that I hadn't encountered in the RAF - Brilliant! I learned loads of new stuff from new "old Folk" who were again so keen to show me what they knew.
Now I'm a QA Manager and I'm the old Folk.. but I haven't stopped learning yet.
And I still love the job, but I don't kick tyres or stand in the cold and wet.
