Part 66 "A" Licence Limitation
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Part 66 "A" Licence Limitation
I have a Part 66 "A" Licence with Limitation 24 which is "excluding all systems with the exception of LRUs within In Flight Entertainment Systems"can i call myself an Aircraft Engineer or is that stretching things a bit?.
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Category A: Line maintenance certifying mechanic.
Category B1: Maintenance certifying technician - mechanical.
Category B2: Maintenance certifying technician - avionic.
Category C: Base maintenance certifying engineer
Category B1: Maintenance certifying technician - mechanical.
Category B2: Maintenance certifying technician - avionic.
Category C: Base maintenance certifying engineer
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Thank you IFixPlanes,most of the people i work with are "A" Licence,some of them with a lot of experience of fixing aircraft,and there is a few B2 Licence people and a few A & P but everybody says they are Aircraft Engineers,i didnt want to class myself as that if it was the wrong term to use.
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Small Correction:
Certifying Staff A, B1, B2 and C are all "Ground Engineers". Which is different from what we may call "Civil Engineers". These come from outside the aviation School and may obtain a degree in "C" upon certain requirements, but will never (because he never had to run all the books and practical experience specific to aviation) have the proficiency of a true A, B or C Ground Engineer. On the other hand the Ground Engineer certifying C, is the same as a B, except for a different scope of work (Base maintenance) and he is helped by the so called "B (1 or 2) Support Staff to C" to check all the items on a "C-Check", for example.
"A" certifying staff are not allowed to perform troubleshooting, for example.
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Certifying Staff A, B1, B2 and C are all "Ground Engineers". Which is different from what we may call "Civil Engineers". These come from outside the aviation School and may obtain a degree in "C" upon certain requirements, but will never (because he never had to run all the books and practical experience specific to aviation) have the proficiency of a true A, B or C Ground Engineer. On the other hand the Ground Engineer certifying C, is the same as a B, except for a different scope of work (Base maintenance) and he is helped by the so called "B (1 or 2) Support Staff to C" to check all the items on a "C-Check", for example.
"A" certifying staff are not allowed to perform troubleshooting, for example.
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Straight from the horses Mouth:
66.A.20 Privileges
(a) Subject to compliance with paragraph (b), the following privileges shall apply:
1. A category A aircraft maintenance licence permits the holder to issue certificates of release to service following
minor scheduled line maintenance and simple defect rectification within the limits of tasks specifically endorsed
on the authorisation. The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the licence holder has personally
performed in a Part-145 organisation.
2. A category B1 aircraft maintenance licence shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service
following maintenance, including aircraft structure, powerplant and mechanical and electrical systems. Replacement
of avionic line replaceable units, requiring simple tests to prove their serviceability, shall also be included in
the privileges. Category B1 shall automatically include the appropriate A subcategory.
3. A category B2 aircraft maintenance licence shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service
following maintenance on avionic and electrical systems.
4. A category C aircraft maintenance licence shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service
following base maintenance on aircraft. The privileges apply to the aircraft in its entirety in a Part-145 organisation.
In Relation to your Cat A with Limitation 24 which is "excluding all systems with the exception of LRUs within In Flight Entertainment Systems"...you can troubleshoot in as far as something like Replacing a File Server etc( or whatever other LRU) if its known to be the cause of a problem. But you cant do troubleshooting like a B2 can...i.e wiring checks etc to confirm the fault and actually sign a CRS to this extent. Also you would not be allowed to do something like repair wiring etc as this is outside the scope of your licence.
66.A.20 Privileges
(a) Subject to compliance with paragraph (b), the following privileges shall apply:
1. A category A aircraft maintenance licence permits the holder to issue certificates of release to service following
minor scheduled line maintenance and simple defect rectification within the limits of tasks specifically endorsed
on the authorisation. The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the licence holder has personally
performed in a Part-145 organisation.
2. A category B1 aircraft maintenance licence shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service
following maintenance, including aircraft structure, powerplant and mechanical and electrical systems. Replacement
of avionic line replaceable units, requiring simple tests to prove their serviceability, shall also be included in
the privileges. Category B1 shall automatically include the appropriate A subcategory.
3. A category B2 aircraft maintenance licence shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service
following maintenance on avionic and electrical systems.
4. A category C aircraft maintenance licence shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service
following base maintenance on aircraft. The privileges apply to the aircraft in its entirety in a Part-145 organisation.
In Relation to your Cat A with Limitation 24 which is "excluding all systems with the exception of LRUs within In Flight Entertainment Systems"...you can troubleshoot in as far as something like Replacing a File Server etc( or whatever other LRU) if its known to be the cause of a problem. But you cant do troubleshooting like a B2 can...i.e wiring checks etc to confirm the fault and actually sign a CRS to this extent. Also you would not be allowed to do something like repair wiring etc as this is outside the scope of your licence.
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Minor defect rectification...
I think it is widely accepted (I think there is an NPA on this) that this concept falls under the "10-steps" from the begginning of the work up to the completion (includes Testing). Which is not much.
But then again, I may be wrong...
But then again, I may be wrong...
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Thank you both jmig29 and Celtic Mech,the bottom line seems to be the we are not all Aircraft Engineers whilst working on IFE systems (only),the B2 Engineers are and probably the A & Ps as well.This should start a decent crew room discussion.
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Thank you ASFKAP.The A & Ps are quite touchy on this subject and i have no wish to start WW3,I just wanted enough information to have a meaningful discussion about who has the right to call themself an Aircraft Engineer, and i would like to thank all of you who have contributed,i now have enough information to start a crew room conversation which should prove quite interesting.
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If you really want to get them going raise the subject that the title "Engineer" is legally protected in many countries, but not in the UK where anyone down to the bloke who fixes your washing machine can call himself an engineer.
Controversies over the term Engineer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Controversies over the term Engineer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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CAT A Privileges
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Lets say in line maintenance, three different tasks are to be performed on one particular aircraft e.g. B747-400, one task involves replacement of windscreen wiper blades, another task involves replacement of wheel assemblies, and another task involves replacement of ovens. Each of these task was performed by three different persons holding the CAT A privileges with appropriate task training and authorisation. The question is, who among the three CAT A holders would issue the aircraft CRS? Hope somebody could shed light on this matter
66.A.20 Privileges
(a) Subject to compliance with paragraph (b), the following privileges shall apply:
1. A category A aircraft maintenance licence permits the holder to issue certificates of release to service following
minor scheduled line maintenance and simple defect rectification within the limits of tasks specifically endorsed
on the authorisation. The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the licence holder has personally
performed in a Part-145 organisation.
(a) Subject to compliance with paragraph (b), the following privileges shall apply:
1. A category A aircraft maintenance licence permits the holder to issue certificates of release to service following
minor scheduled line maintenance and simple defect rectification within the limits of tasks specifically endorsed
on the authorisation. The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the licence holder has personally
performed in a Part-145 organisation.
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CAT 'A'
who among the three CAT A holders would issue the aircraft CRS? Hope somebody could shed light on this matter
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Hi win_faa, you quote the answer already:
So you need a CAT B or CAT C to give a CRS at this situation.
Originally Posted by 66.A.20 Privileges
... The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the licence holder has personally performed in a Part-145 organisation.
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In UK you are an Engineer if you are registered with the Engineering Council as either a Chartered Engineer or an Incorporated Engineer. You can also be registered as a Technician. In which category an individual may be registered depends upon training, qualifications, experience and position held.
An A License holder will almost certainly not be an Engineer.
I'm still an Aircraft Engineer, even though I no longer hold any licenses at all. At one stage in my career I was a UK CAA LAME and Hangar Foreman, responsible for supervisory oversight of heavy maintenance on complex aircraft, which would today be a 'C' Licensed position -but that was twenty years ago; I've moved on a bit since then.
An A License holder will almost certainly not be an Engineer.
I'm still an Aircraft Engineer, even though I no longer hold any licenses at all. At one stage in my career I was a UK CAA LAME and Hangar Foreman, responsible for supervisory oversight of heavy maintenance on complex aircraft, which would today be a 'C' Licensed position -but that was twenty years ago; I've moved on a bit since then.
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66.A.20 Privileges
(a) Subject to compliance with paragraph (b), the following privileges shall apply:
1. A category A aircraft maintenance licence permits the holder to issue certificates of release to service following
minor scheduled line maintenance and simple defect rectification within the limits of tasks specifically endorsed
on the authorisation. The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the licence holder has personally
performed in a Part-145 organisation.
(a) Subject to compliance with paragraph (b), the following privileges shall apply:
1. A category A aircraft maintenance licence permits the holder to issue certificates of release to service following
minor scheduled line maintenance and simple defect rectification within the limits of tasks specifically endorsed
on the authorisation. The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the licence holder has personally
performed in a Part-145 organisation.