a difference of opinon!!
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a difference of opinon!!
hi All fellow engineers.
i had a situation the other day when i snagged a a320 cargo floor panel that was completled delaminated. i started to change it and my boss said that i should have consulted him before i started to change it.(there was already 1 aircraft AOG)
i saw a bit red then, as he was suggesting that we just inop the cargo(even though the a320 cargo floor is considered structure). i told him , do what u like but i am making an entry in the tech log saying that the panel is out of limits and needs to be replaced before further flight....
in the end the panel was replaced and i was happy that i won the battle of servicability over on time departure.
so my question ,as i know that example is not an isolated incident, is can you share your experiences and how the problem was solved??
i had a situation the other day when i snagged a a320 cargo floor panel that was completled delaminated. i started to change it and my boss said that i should have consulted him before i started to change it.(there was already 1 aircraft AOG)
i saw a bit red then, as he was suggesting that we just inop the cargo(even though the a320 cargo floor is considered structure). i told him , do what u like but i am making an entry in the tech log saying that the panel is out of limits and needs to be replaced before further flight....
in the end the panel was replaced and i was happy that i won the battle of servicability over on time departure.
so my question ,as i know that example is not an isolated incident, is can you share your experiences and how the problem was solved??
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Wirelock depends on situation.
1 It is possible to inop cargo hold and continue the flight/s dependant on Flight ops requirement to carry baggage and C G of A/C with baggage only in the serviceable hold.
2 Why not carry out a 'Temporay repair' in the 'Normal Manner' approved within your airline to allow for continuation of the service using the damaged cargo hold.
Don't think you'll be very popular at moment but will blow over. Regarding grounding the A/C this can be done anytime over trivial items (Wing bdy panel screws and Slat seals come to mind) but we are not here for that. We (engineers) keep the A/C flying and safely, it is up to us to use initiative to keep A/C going until it can be fixed.
1 It is possible to inop cargo hold and continue the flight/s dependant on Flight ops requirement to carry baggage and C G of A/C with baggage only in the serviceable hold.
2 Why not carry out a 'Temporay repair' in the 'Normal Manner' approved within your airline to allow for continuation of the service using the damaged cargo hold.
Don't think you'll be very popular at moment but will blow over. Regarding grounding the A/C this can be done anytime over trivial items (Wing bdy panel screws and Slat seals come to mind) but we are not here for that. We (engineers) keep the A/C flying and safely, it is up to us to use initiative to keep A/C going until it can be fixed.
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yep, its considered structure. limits are in SRM and are very precise. sidewall and ceiling panels are just lining but slopes and floor are structure and are treated the same as having a dent in the fuse.
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As long as you can prove you're right by using AMM/SRM/procedures/MEL/... you're safe.
Our cargo floors are metal sheet, when there is a hole in it or something, we cover it by speedtape untill there is time to patch it up. As long as the beams underneath are not hit it's ok. But as you speak of delamination, I guess the A320 is different than the types I work on.
Or...maybe I'm wrong and dispatched a/c with holes in the primary structure
definately got to look it up next working day!
Our cargo floors are metal sheet, when there is a hole in it or something, we cover it by speedtape untill there is time to patch it up. As long as the beams underneath are not hit it's ok. But as you speak of delamination, I guess the A320 is different than the types I work on.
Or...maybe I'm wrong and dispatched a/c with holes in the primary structure
definately got to look it up next working day!
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I agree piper19 use the mm/mel/srm always, + abit of common sense, the metallic lined composite floor panels take more of a beating than the honey coombed composite, but generally as said b4, if your unsure consult the manuals.....Let them sign the aircraft out.
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Well done for standing your ground.
It seems to me that your boss had some sort of an idea when he said that they already had 1 AOG a/c (though he probably didn't know it).
Why not get the floor panels out of the xmas tree (AOG) a/c - assuming they are the same type.
It seems to me that your boss had some sort of an idea when he said that they already had 1 AOG a/c (though he probably didn't know it).
Why not get the floor panels out of the xmas tree (AOG) a/c - assuming they are the same type.
