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Hello All..
I'm a flight analyst with a leading airline in india. I come from an engineering background with some serious interest and knowledge about aviation industry hence my cross industry career.
I've been conditionally accepted to an MSc course in Aeronautical engineering in an UK university. I'd like to know if its a good choice? What job would i get with a masters in Aero engineering. I wish to take it up after some experience as a flight analyst.
Please quote ur opinions.
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Haree
I'm a flight analyst with a leading airline in india. I come from an engineering background with some serious interest and knowledge about aviation industry hence my cross industry career.
I've been conditionally accepted to an MSc course in Aeronautical engineering in an UK university. I'd like to know if its a good choice? What job would i get with a masters in Aero engineering. I wish to take it up after some experience as a flight analyst.
Please quote ur opinions.
Thanks
Haree
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Ghostie, for those that already hold a BEng or a BSc in an engineering discipline then the year long post graduate courses such as those held by Cranfield are in fact MScs. I assume when you say you are on an MEng you are doing the start to finsh four year course that ends in the award of an MEng.
Haree, I assume you already hold a BSc, BEng if you are going to be doing an MSc. In this country the engineeering council requirments for chartership now require four years of academic study (ie. an MEng, or BEng followed by MSc), (there are alternatives such as engineering council exams), I am not sure what the requirements are for the equivalent bodies in India. Out of interest as I completed my degree prior to 2000 can I still gain chartership on the grounds of my three year BEng? I did hear the four year rule only applied to those graduating after 2000?
However Haree you should ask yourself, do you really need a masters to progress? You should be asking what job / area do I want to work in? Do I need the masters to work in that specialisation? Use this as the basis for selecting your area of study.
That said if you are interested in working in the design/development side (though it sounds like your interest are more airline tech department orientated) then there are an increasing number of aerospace design / stress contract houses in India(e.g. Infosys, Infotech); these are gaining alot of work from Western aerospace companies. So if you were to take a MSc with an emphasis on aerospace structural design you would probably find yourself with a good chance of gaining well paid employment?
Haree, I assume you already hold a BSc, BEng if you are going to be doing an MSc. In this country the engineeering council requirments for chartership now require four years of academic study (ie. an MEng, or BEng followed by MSc), (there are alternatives such as engineering council exams), I am not sure what the requirements are for the equivalent bodies in India. Out of interest as I completed my degree prior to 2000 can I still gain chartership on the grounds of my three year BEng? I did hear the four year rule only applied to those graduating after 2000?
However Haree you should ask yourself, do you really need a masters to progress? You should be asking what job / area do I want to work in? Do I need the masters to work in that specialisation? Use this as the basis for selecting your area of study.
That said if you are interested in working in the design/development side (though it sounds like your interest are more airline tech department orientated) then there are an increasing number of aerospace design / stress contract houses in India(e.g. Infosys, Infotech); these are gaining alot of work from Western aerospace companies. So if you were to take a MSc with an emphasis on aerospace structural design you would probably find yourself with a good chance of gaining well paid employment?
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Hi All
Its MSc Aeronautical Engineering from City university
I already have a MSc in engineering (Software). I am eligible for the Aero Msc programme. My idea was to get into aerospace sector in companies like Airbus/Boeing/Bell etc who are in fact thinking of setting up MROs in india and Asia.
Do you think this is a good course or am i being led the wrong way?
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Haree
Its MSc Aeronautical Engineering from City university
I already have a MSc in engineering (Software). I am eligible for the Aero Msc programme. My idea was to get into aerospace sector in companies like Airbus/Boeing/Bell etc who are in fact thinking of setting up MROs in india and Asia.
Do you think this is a good course or am i being led the wrong way?
Thanks
Haree
City university (strictly speaking, a college of the University of London) is a very well regarded university based in the centre of London. The university has a department which specialises in aviation industry related degree courses, and particularly within the airlines, there are a great many City graduates working and who speak highly of their degrees. You'd be working incredibly hard, but I'm sure you expect that.
Your software engineering MSc probably didn't qualify you to enter this course, but perhaps you have an earlier degree in general engineering, and you've mentioned airline experience - anyhow, presumably their admissions tutor has looked closely at your qualifications, and such people are pretty good at eliminating people who can't cope with the course.
The fees will be high, at £9,600 for an Indian student, and the cost of living will also be very high - you'll be in the middle of one of the most expensive cities in the world. On the other hand, you'll also be living in the middle of one of the most interesting cities in the world, and (if this is important to you) one with a large Indian community.
Overall, you'd be doing an MSc at one of Britain's best aeronautics departments, in a great (if expensive) city. If you can afford the cost of it, I doubt that you'd regret it.
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Your software engineering MSc probably didn't qualify you to enter this course, but perhaps you have an earlier degree in general engineering, and you've mentioned airline experience - anyhow, presumably their admissions tutor has looked closely at your qualifications, and such people are pretty good at eliminating people who can't cope with the course.
The fees will be high, at £9,600 for an Indian student, and the cost of living will also be very high - you'll be in the middle of one of the most expensive cities in the world. On the other hand, you'll also be living in the middle of one of the most interesting cities in the world, and (if this is important to you) one with a large Indian community.
Overall, you'd be doing an MSc at one of Britain's best aeronautics departments, in a great (if expensive) city. If you can afford the cost of it, I doubt that you'd regret it.
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Thanks for the info G.
What is the future going to be like for a foreigner passing out of MSc Aero (hopefully). Is it that CITY packs you back to homeland or will i get a chance to try my luck in the universities there?
I know for 9600 + living (equivalent amount in Indian rupees) i can very well get a CPL with all bells and whistles. But i'd like to take one smart move. Being a flight analyst is demanding and responsible but again im more of a technology person and would like to be in the technical side.
Being a pilot ... i dont know if i would have the physicals rite (if i do i suppose my airline analysis expereince would be too good) but again aeronautics seems more "techno"
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What is the future going to be like for a foreigner passing out of MSc Aero (hopefully). Is it that CITY packs you back to homeland or will i get a chance to try my luck in the universities there?
I know for 9600 + living (equivalent amount in Indian rupees) i can very well get a CPL with all bells and whistles. But i'd like to take one smart move. Being a flight analyst is demanding and responsible but again im more of a technology person and would like to be in the technical side.
Being a pilot ... i dont know if i would have the physicals rite (if i do i suppose my airline analysis expereince would be too good) but again aeronautics seems more "techno"
Haree
The UK is very sensitive to the issue of "foreigners" (which for reasons best not explored too deeply apparently includes Indians or Australians but not, for example Italians or Czechs - the European Union is apparently much more important to us than the Commonwealth 
[not an approach that most British people agree with, but it's what the government has signed up for]) trying to find work here - so you'd find it very difficult. Generally, the government is more than happy for you to come here to do any number of degrees (so long as you are paying the fees!), but once you've finished they generally expect you to return home within about 3 months.
But, if you are able to pay the fees, there's no problem with you as an Indian applying to any British University. For that subject you could do worse than look at (in no particular order) Cranfield, Glasgow, Brunel, Southampton, Liverpool - all good aerospace universities in cheaper parts of the country with potentially lower course fees. All of them should show the course fees on their websites. For foreign students, the fees can vary quite widely.
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[not an approach that most British people agree with, but it's what the government has signed up for]) trying to find work here - so you'd find it very difficult. Generally, the government is more than happy for you to come here to do any number of degrees (so long as you are paying the fees!), but once you've finished they generally expect you to return home within about 3 months.But, if you are able to pay the fees, there's no problem with you as an Indian applying to any British University. For that subject you could do worse than look at (in no particular order) Cranfield, Glasgow, Brunel, Southampton, Liverpool - all good aerospace universities in cheaper parts of the country with potentially lower course fees. All of them should show the course fees on their websites. For foreign students, the fees can vary quite widely.
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Genghis - you may be Chief FTE but you're wrong on City University. It is not and never has been a college of London Uni. It is a separate establishment offering degress in its own right. Why so cerfatin - I read Aero Eng there graduating in 1970 and I've been proud ofd it since. It offered great Aero Eng courses then - cannot say what they're like now of course - but it got me to BAE Warton Flight test and then HSA Kingston.
Originally Posted by JohnFTEng
Genghis - you may be Chief FTE but you're wrong on City University. It is not and never has been a college of London Uni. It is a separate establishment offering degress in its own right. Why so cerfatin - I read Aero Eng there graduating in 1970 and I've been proud ofd it since. It offered great Aero Eng courses then - cannot say what they're like now of course - but it got me to BAE Warton Flight test and then HSA Kingston.
Checking my facts, what is now City university started as the Northampton Institute, and from 1909 to 1966 issued degrees from the University of London, when what had then become Northampton College became City University in 1966. I'm not quite clear about the difference between being a college of the UofL and issuing degrees from UofL - perhaps you understand this better than I?
However, notwithstanding this nit-picking, I'm sure we'd both agree that it's an excellent institution offering well regarded degree programmes in many subjects - including aeronautical engineering. This was I believe the original question!
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why go MSc in Aero (its too specialised and aviation goes through vicous cycles so you need escape options) I looked into doing my MSc (Aero), I got the BEng(Aero) from Kingston (since everybody claiming uni's here), but figured out the MSc was not going to do my career much good (I am in a senior management position in a MRO and wet lease company), so I do short financial, HR coarses instead, as the higher you go, you got to talk business and the only stress they understand is not that inflicted in a wing section. I do interviews and hire and for admin staff I require a BEng and then we look for other coarses, such as business, project planning etc as we find the broader education enables the person to interact with persons of other displines better, such as mechanics, stores, finance.
so what did I do with my saving for the MSc? I blew my money on a PPL licence, which I achieved, got a home build and now fly for fun
and now I am looking at an MBA route.........
so what did I do with my saving for the MSc? I blew my money on a PPL licence, which I achieved, got a home build and now fly for fun
and now I am looking at an MBA route.........
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why go MSc in Aero (its too specialised and aviation goes through vicous cycles so you need escape options) I looked into doing my MSc (Aero), I got the BEng(Aero) from Kingston (since everybody claiming uni's here), but figured out the MSc was not going to do my career much good (I am in a senior management position in a MRO and wet lease company), so I do short financial, HR coarses instead, as the higher you go, you got to talk business and the only stress they understand is not that inflicted in a wing section. I do interviews and hire and for admin staff I require a BEng and then we look for other coarses, such as business, project planning etc as we find the broader education enables the person to interact with persons of other displines better, such as mechanics, stores, finance.
so what did I do with my saving for the MSc? I blew my money on a PPL licence, which I achieved, got a home build and now fly for fun
and now I am looking at an MBA route.........
so what did I do with my saving for the MSc? I blew my money on a PPL licence, which I achieved, got a home build and now fly for fun
and now I am looking at an MBA route.........
It basically depends upon what you're looking for in your career. There are many options available, and if you chased all of them, you'd spend so much time studying you'd never get any work done! Conversely, in my opinion, if you stop studying you go stale. My Dad, who started his working life as an apprentice at Supermarine (that dates him!, but he's still going strong) was talking about his latest classes - in fine art, when I saw him last night; I can't remember any time since I was old enough to notice that he wasn't studying something - engineering, marketing, languages, art....
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Why go for an MSc? - I'm not sure that it is the MSc that is important here, rather it is more the subject. Aero Eng will give you a lot of transferable skills into other engineering areas and although we all like to play with aeroplanes now and again, that is increadibly useful (we used to joke that we did more mech eng than the Mech Eng grads, more elec eng than the Elec Eng grads and more maths than the Maths grads - with aerodynamics on top of that). I, for one, studied Aero Eng (at QMW) after a career in the city (Lloyd's aviation insurance) and am now dealing with areas as diverse as energy policy, congestion charging and accident investigation. Go for it - if you can afford London and the fees I doubt you'd regret it.
If you are looking to stay in the UK (Is it that CITY packs you back to homeland or will i get a chance to try my luck in the universities there?) - and in the research sector, the Unis seem pretty blind to research students' backgrounds as long as the research grant money is there.
If you are looking to stay in the UK (Is it that CITY packs you back to homeland or will i get a chance to try my luck in the universities there?) - and in the research sector, the Unis seem pretty blind to research students' backgrounds as long as the research grant money is there.
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Why go for an MSc? - I'm not sure that it is the MSc that is important here, rather it is more the subject. Aero Eng will give you a lot of transferable skills into other engineering areas and although we all like to play with aeroplanes now and again, that is increadibly useful (we used to joke that we did more mech eng than the Mech Eng grads, more elec eng than the Elec Eng grads and more maths than the Maths grads - with aerodynamics on top of that). I, for one, studied Aero Eng (at QMW) after a career in the city (Lloyd's aviation insurance) and am now dealing with areas as diverse as energy policy, congestion charging and accident investigation. Go for it - if you can afford London and the fees I doubt you'd regret it.
If you are looking to stay in the UK (Is it that CITY packs you back to homeland or will i get a chance to try my luck in the universities there?) - and in the research sector, the Unis seem pretty blind to research students' backgrounds as long as the research grant money is there.
If you are looking to stay in the UK (Is it that CITY packs you back to homeland or will i get a chance to try my luck in the universities there?) - and in the research sector, the Unis seem pretty blind to research students' backgrounds as long as the research grant money is there.
UK Universities will look at applications from anywhere, but as a PhD student / research assistant, whether they'll then hire a student depends very much upon where the funding comes from. If it's for example UK-military money, then they'll almost certainly only look at a Brit, if it's European Union money, or (usually) EPSRC (Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council) money, then very often they'll only look at British or EU students. On the other hand, if the research is being centrally funded by the university itself through it's central funding, or being funded directly by a sponsoring company (Rolls Royce for example fund a lot of university research in Britain), then they really don't care about nationality - just want the best student for the job. The whole thing is extremely complex.
Conversely, if you have your own money, and the right level entry qualifications - any British university will welcome you with open arms! Pretty much the only thing (apart from the money running out) that would stop you studying indefinitely at British universities would be security problems - but we're a pretty open and friendly country overall. I believe that at any time there are roughly 200,000 people from overseas studying in British universities.
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