The aeroplane I most hate to work on...
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TDD, you and I must be on the same wave length as I was going to log on and post the same question! I can tell you that the worst aircraft that I worked on was the Phantom F4 with Rolls Royce Spey engines. The person that designed this particular beast obviously never intended to work on it himself as everything is at best awkward to get at. As an ex-RAF A-Tehc-P I can say that everything concerning the motors is a nightmare to get to, everything on the engines is either buried, or you need to remove the engines to access them. And removing and fitting the engines is by no means easy. For my troubles I now have a permenant back injury which I attribute to the working practices involved with being a Phantom Phixer. To access the engines you had to lower all the belly doors and these can be heavy. During the 1980's there were defence cuts which usually involved reducing manpower so a job that should take two blokes, quite often you had to do on your own with all the 'No whinging' constraints that go with being in the military. The day that Phantoms were withdrawn from service I went out and celibrated in fine style, and I still have the hangover. These days I work on 757's and 767's which throw up their own challenges, but compared to Phantoms these aircraft re luxury to work on.
So come on all you techies out there in Pprune Land, tell us what are worst and best aircraft to work on.
So come on all you techies out there in Pprune Land, tell us what are worst and best aircraft to work on.
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Speaking as a small airplane fixer, anything made by Beech Craft, particularly the Duke and QueenAir. The Queen makes a real airplane noise (not that Hoover noise that PT6s make) but that's the only good thing about it.
My theory is that after Walter Beech died and his wife Olive took over the company some Engineer must have "done her wrong" and she spend the rest of her life trying to get even.
My theory is that after Walter Beech died and his wife Olive took over the company some Engineer must have "done her wrong" and she spend the rest of her life trying to get even.
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Still remember the Tristar days when doing trouble shooting or component change in the hydraulic bay with hydraulic systems pressurized for some reasons, one needs an all-cover-up goggle and oxygen mask, you can hardly breathe!!
For the 74, if doing those vertical fin h11 attachment bolts chnages, we need to hire some extra child labour; anyone higher than 5' simply can't squeeze inside the centre box partition.
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For the 74, if doing those vertical fin h11 attachment bolts chnages, we need to hire some extra child labour; anyone higher than 5' simply can't squeeze inside the centre box partition.
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Noice wahn,moy sahns!!
Looks like we struck pay-grease here!
Greycone,we'll have stout in Kealys' and have a good moan at 14sicks.
Greaseytech, those F4s were awful yokes.What possessed the Raff to bodge up those guzzling,noisy Speys into a perfectly good aeroplane.Is it true you had to pull the ejection seats to take out the comm boxes?Typical military thinking.
Phyxit,the 200 wasn't bad,but a bit narrow.The A/cond. manifold was a guaranteed knuckle grazer and a pain in the rusty to wirelock!
Wideguy,if it wasn't for Rallyes rotting,there'd be no work for the little guys.Long may they rot!Still,if you're who I think you are,aren't you intimate with small Cessnas.How does the wideBody fit in?! Are the ****ations really that bad? Is it true about the RPM cables in those Aztecs? Pints in Kealys'?
H721..That Tristar sounds appalling! Br.Apparati in the Bay! Jesus wept.
Thanx a lot,lads
TDD
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Looks like we struck pay-grease here!
Greycone,we'll have stout in Kealys' and have a good moan at 14sicks.
Greaseytech, those F4s were awful yokes.What possessed the Raff to bodge up those guzzling,noisy Speys into a perfectly good aeroplane.Is it true you had to pull the ejection seats to take out the comm boxes?Typical military thinking.
Phyxit,the 200 wasn't bad,but a bit narrow.The A/cond. manifold was a guaranteed knuckle grazer and a pain in the rusty to wirelock!
Wideguy,if it wasn't for Rallyes rotting,there'd be no work for the little guys.Long may they rot!Still,if you're who I think you are,aren't you intimate with small Cessnas.How does the wideBody fit in?! Are the ****ations really that bad? Is it true about the RPM cables in those Aztecs? Pints in Kealys'?
H721..That Tristar sounds appalling! Br.Apparati in the Bay! Jesus wept.
Thanx a lot,lads
TDD
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TDD with ref to removing the exploding chairs to remove com boxes, I believe that is true, but as I was a sumpie I did not get too involved in such practices. I can tell you that you had to remove the right engine to replace the anti-ice valve. The F4 re-engined with Speys was a rushed concept with no thought put into maintaining the aircraft, and as far as I am concerned, should never have left the drawing board.
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CCA,
I'm 5'10" and have no complaint going into a 74 centre fuel tank. If I have 3 other guys with me, we can play mahjong (or bridge for expats) there, of course with the right ventilation. The ctr tank inside is so spacious!
U are so right that the access man hole is a nightmare for anyone heavier than 200 Lbs.
I myself had done vertical/horizontal fin interior cpc work. In both instances I was certified by the company doctor not fit for work the very next day.
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I'm 5'10" and have no complaint going into a 74 centre fuel tank. If I have 3 other guys with me, we can play mahjong (or bridge for expats) there, of course with the right ventilation. The ctr tank inside is so spacious!
U are so right that the access man hole is a nightmare for anyone heavier than 200 Lbs.
I myself had done vertical/horizontal fin interior cpc work. In both instances I was certified by the company doctor not fit for work the very next day.
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....from distant past,BAe Jetstream 31 windshield wiper motor change....keep losing drive adapter,'mare to wirelock,upside down in tiny cockpit for ages
Made me cry a lot
Also setting up the elevator posn.tx.on BAC 1-11 could be a pain in backside.....
unable to fault.pls monitor and report further.....
Made me cry a lot
Also setting up the elevator posn.tx.on BAC 1-11 could be a pain in backside.....
unable to fault.pls monitor and report further.....
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CCA,
That reminds me of a story I heard about two Yank techs being caught "hiding the sausage" in a 747 fuel tank.Instant P45s!
Greasey,
I'm convinced design offices have a competition to make aircraft as awkward as poss. and have a permanent bet to see how many wirelock cuts per square mech they can achieve.Another bitch:anything behind the instruments in a small aircraft/wiper motor on an F50/stab. bolts on a Marchetti(chimney-boy job)/fitting flexible fuel tanks to a KingAir...
Cheers
TDD
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That reminds me of a story I heard about two Yank techs being caught "hiding the sausage" in a 747 fuel tank.Instant P45s!
Greasey,
I'm convinced design offices have a competition to make aircraft as awkward as poss. and have a permanent bet to see how many wirelock cuts per square mech they can achieve.Another bitch:anything behind the instruments in a small aircraft/wiper motor on an F50/stab. bolts on a Marchetti(chimney-boy job)/fitting flexible fuel tanks to a KingAir...
Cheers
TDD
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My prize goes to BAC 1-11. It leaked everything, O2, N2 and hyds. A brake took 13 hrs to change, airconditioning system was designed by the runner-up, and if I every meet the bloke who put the discharge valve there, he'll be having Mr. Maglite surgically removed. As a short-**** myself, I just got thrown in over the battery. Sob....
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It flew in, it'll fly out
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