ALAEA ups bans
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
The "S word" - how pathetic, coming from a supposedly mature adult.
The word is neither slang, nor a profanity.
It was coined to indicate the low level of esteem in which wilful strikebreakers/blacklegs are held within decent societies that follow long established rules of accepted behaviour.
"The S word" appears in the OED and all other well respected dictionaries.
Anyone who has been - or is threatened by - these lowlifes knows how THEY destroy the very fabric of the establishment.
That is my opinion Woomera - because I, and hundreds of acquaintances, HAVE seen (and felt) the effect of these people when their actions were condoned by others.
And, for the record, ALL of those who VOLUNTEER to take strike-breaking action, do it IN THE FULL KNOWLEDGE that they will be labelled "S(@8S".
Why is 1 particular Woomera siding with them?
"Sticks and stones....."
Please edit or empty your mailbox W
Done, as requested. K.M.
The word is neither slang, nor a profanity.
It was coined to indicate the low level of esteem in which wilful strikebreakers/blacklegs are held within decent societies that follow long established rules of accepted behaviour.
"The S word" appears in the OED and all other well respected dictionaries.
Anyone who has been - or is threatened by - these lowlifes knows how THEY destroy the very fabric of the establishment.
That is my opinion Woomera - because I, and hundreds of acquaintances, HAVE seen (and felt) the effect of these people when their actions were condoned by others.
And, for the record, ALL of those who VOLUNTEER to take strike-breaking action, do it IN THE FULL KNOWLEDGE that they will be labelled "S(@8S".
Why is 1 particular Woomera siding with them?
"Sticks and stones....."
Please edit or empty your mailbox W
Done, as requested. K.M.
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There is another name that is usefull in this situation. It 72227.
(If you need help look at a telephone keypad.)
Honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about. Is it offensive to label an unnamed person a 7222.
Or is it only offensive if you give the 7222 a real name.
Either way the most offensive type of person in the workforce is a 7222.
You don't see too many of them going in the front door to break work bans.
And in response to the Cabin crew person who made coment about his own group offering to backstab their own colleagues,that doesn't suprise me as during the great AME dispute back in 2001 the most vocal opposition we got at our picket lines was from hosties in their cars as they drove through telling us that we were lucky we had a job and to get back to work.
(If you need help look at a telephone keypad.)
Honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about. Is it offensive to label an unnamed person a 7222.
Or is it only offensive if you give the 7222 a real name.
Either way the most offensive type of person in the workforce is a 7222.
You don't see too many of them going in the front door to break work bans.
And in response to the Cabin crew person who made coment about his own group offering to backstab their own colleagues,that doesn't suprise me as during the great AME dispute back in 2001 the most vocal opposition we got at our picket lines was from hosties in their cars as they drove through telling us that we were lucky we had a job and to get back to work.
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Hey Dude's fairly new to this site but got a few questions????
Am new to QF engineering, been here about two years and immigrated from the regionals. I'm all for the industrial action and have been doing my bit as well
but just how long do you think this is going to last??? I guess you guys have been through this before but how long did it take last time. With a new little one on the way just wondering if I should be looking at getting some part time work.
Ow! by the way MR Qantas just delayed a 738 for three hrs. For some reason I just couldn’t find all the info I needed in the AMM to get the hunk of junk going, even though normally I would of just let it go.
Now I'm just pissed off!!!
Am new to QF engineering, been here about two years and immigrated from the regionals. I'm all for the industrial action and have been doing my bit as well
but just how long do you think this is going to last??? I guess you guys have been through this before but how long did it take last time. With a new little one on the way just wondering if I should be looking at getting some part time work. Ow! by the way MR Qantas just delayed a 738 for three hrs. For some reason I just couldn’t find all the info I needed in the AMM to get the hunk of junk going, even though normally I would of just let it go.
Now I'm just pissed off!!!
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In regards to the higher duties ban.
Im sure there will be more fine print like there was in the over time bans if it ever does eventuate.
it will cause a lot more problems than sections having no supervisors dmm's.
Think of all the people on secondment. ie - the blokes involved in anything a380 related, weather it be in sydney or the blokes in tolouse. The whole thing would be majorly disrupted if the lames doing that went back on the floor.
All the people who are seconded to office duties for OH&S crap, most of them are licenced. Im not sure, but would the company be able to operate without all the seconded OH&S people? or would workcover eat them alive.
I also think that if they do carry out a blanket higher duties ban there will be alot more people doing that unspeakable word because they will only be seeing the short term. What do they care? they are involved in the a380 project, or their working their way up in the oh&s/corporate environment.
You guys really need to just take it outside the gate for a day or 2. In the slim chance that it achieves nothing, atleast us ame's and apprentices will get to sit on our asses all day, unless the managers come out and start using their pens. Come to think of it, I would actually enjoy that even more than sitting on my ass all day i think!!
Im sure there will be more fine print like there was in the over time bans if it ever does eventuate.
it will cause a lot more problems than sections having no supervisors dmm's.
Think of all the people on secondment. ie - the blokes involved in anything a380 related, weather it be in sydney or the blokes in tolouse. The whole thing would be majorly disrupted if the lames doing that went back on the floor.
All the people who are seconded to office duties for OH&S crap, most of them are licenced. Im not sure, but would the company be able to operate without all the seconded OH&S people? or would workcover eat them alive.
I also think that if they do carry out a blanket higher duties ban there will be alot more people doing that unspeakable word because they will only be seeing the short term. What do they care? they are involved in the a380 project, or their working their way up in the oh&s/corporate environment.
You guys really need to just take it outside the gate for a day or 2. In the slim chance that it achieves nothing, atleast us ame's and apprentices will get to sit on our asses all day, unless the managers come out and start using their pens. Come to think of it, I would actually enjoy that even more than sitting on my ass all day i think!!
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yes you're right, I remember that all too well, those idiotic hosties were an embarrassment to us cabin crew, from my recollection we did comment on onboard about those idiots,but I can assure you that 95% of crew were embarrassed by them.
I used the 7222 word in my post, I,m only new to this forum, I had not idea that it was regarded as offensive and I cannot see why! they are 7222 and to me they are the lowest form of life.
they undermine us.
I cant see the point of this forum when they ban the use of "that" word, I was surprised, I thought forums were set up so we can openly discuss our opinions, when I was censored It was like being at the QF workplace, don't so this, don't say that!
Woomera, why are you so against this word?
I used the 7222 word in my post, I,m only new to this forum, I had not idea that it was regarded as offensive and I cannot see why! they are 7222 and to me they are the lowest form of life.
they undermine us.
I cant see the point of this forum when they ban the use of "that" word, I was surprised, I thought forums were set up so we can openly discuss our opinions, when I was censored It was like being at the QF workplace, don't so this, don't say that!
Woomera, why are you so against this word?
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Over the past eight years or so the issues surrounding a previous industrial dispute have been done to death, time after time, ad infinitum. Threads have degenerated to the point users have been banned – not for their opinions either way on the dispute, but solely due to their conduct in this forum. Consensus will never be achieved.
Indeed, the owners and publishers of this forum have been threatened with legal action for libel and defamation. As a result, a decision has been made not to permit that word due to the emotions it generates.
Regarding Kaptin M’s totally erroneous allegation – no Woomera is siding with anyone. The Woomera team have always conducted their moderating of this forum in a professional and fair manner, never permitting personal opinions (if indeed they have any personal opinions on the issues) to cloud their judgement.
Lastly, the title of this thread is ALAEA ups bans. The engineers are entitled to their opinions without flack from the side lines, provided the posted opinions are in accordance with PPRuNe rules.
We will not permit thread drift into other issues.
Woomera
Over the past eight years or so the issues surrounding a previous industrial dispute have been done to death, time after time, ad infinitum. Threads have degenerated to the point users have been banned – not for their opinions either way on the dispute, but solely due to their conduct in this forum. Consensus will never be achieved.
Indeed, the owners and publishers of this forum have been threatened with legal action for libel and defamation. As a result, a decision has been made not to permit that word due to the emotions it generates.
Regarding Kaptin M’s totally erroneous allegation – no Woomera is siding with anyone. The Woomera team have always conducted their moderating of this forum in a professional and fair manner, never permitting personal opinions (if indeed they have any personal opinions on the issues) to cloud their judgement.
Lastly, the title of this thread is ALAEA ups bans. The engineers are entitled to their opinions without flack from the side lines, provided the posted opinions are in accordance with PPRuNe rules.
We will not permit thread drift into other issues.
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Qantas wants to meet
ALAEA Notice out today, Qantas wishes to meet, ALAEA offers to suspend ban for 24hrs.
Quote "This action has been taken by the Federal Executive in response to a request by Qantas for a meeting "to explore the potential to reach an agreement"in regard to EBA vii. (Note: it is Qantas' policy that the company will not meet with the Association while industrial action is in place. )"
Meeting today 1400 in Sydney.
Quote "This action has been taken by the Federal Executive in response to a request by Qantas for a meeting "to explore the potential to reach an agreement"in regard to EBA vii. (Note: it is Qantas' policy that the company will not meet with the Association while industrial action is in place. )"
Meeting today 1400 in Sydney.
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Interesting to note that they decide to meet the day before the bans are upgraded. Why the hell didn't we step it up earlier?
Bans will be off completely by this time Thursday (in good faith)with the ASN supporting an offer by the airline based on the old "it's the best we could do in these difficult times." It will include a transmission of business clause.
Will the ASN be first to allow transfer of business without redundancy. Every other union in Qf holds it's breath as the 7222 union wheels and deals. It is their turn with the TWU signing off first last time.
Bans will be off completely by this time Thursday (in good faith)with the ASN supporting an offer by the airline based on the old "it's the best we could do in these difficult times." It will include a transmission of business clause.
Will the ASN be first to allow transfer of business without redundancy. Every other union in Qf holds it's breath as the 7222 union wheels and deals. It is their turn with the TWU signing off first last time.
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Now lets see who's batting for the members. The bans will never reach the higher duty ban. It was never part of the plan. A motion introduced by an outsider and somehow passed by the Executive. Wish I was there to see the look on Bruces face when the phone call come through. Heard he's enjoying retirement.
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Lets get 1 thing straight out there, the current bans are useless.... Q: Why is overtime allowed on customer aircraft??? We at dom are doing it tough while our brothers down the road manipulate the rosters so they are rostered on qf aircraft and do overtime on customer. So much for solidarity.
Q: Why does our fed. pres. do overtime on customer aircraft?? Should he not be leading the way and lead by example. We have had enough. Blanket ban on overtime(no execptions). No higher duties. No secondments. No project work.
Q: Why does our fed. pres. do overtime on customer aircraft?? Should he not be leading the way and lead by example. We have had enough. Blanket ban on overtime(no execptions). No higher duties. No secondments. No project work.
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100% in agreeance with you there on a 'blanket' O/T ban.
I've heard so many International Engineers say that customer work is what keeps them in a job and so we have to look after them etc.etc.
Lets get one thing clear....there IS a shortage of LAME's....there IS a DEFINATE shortage of experienced LAME's....and do you honestly think QF handles other operators to keep YOU in a job? Dont kid yourself! We all know the only language our near sited managers understand....$$$!
If customer aircraft are not covered and depart late, QF wears the costs. With agreements between airlines QF MUST fulfill its obligations to third party operators. If they cant they are penalised financially.
Dont forget why the bans are in place, and how they can be lifted ( short of undertaking to 'explore the potential...' baloney).
QF management hold all the answers. Treat your employees with a bit of respect and give them a descent EBA. How much pain they have to endure is up to them.
Do Not bend to the first offer gentlemen. We KNOW there's more in the kitty....how much goes into our pockets or managements pockets is upto each LAME.
Maintain the Rage.
P.S. The bans so far ARE having effect, but a 'blanket' ban will bring them to their knees.
100% in agreeance with you there on a 'blanket' O/T ban.
I've heard so many International Engineers say that customer work is what keeps them in a job and so we have to look after them etc.etc.
Lets get one thing clear....there IS a shortage of LAME's....there IS a DEFINATE shortage of experienced LAME's....and do you honestly think QF handles other operators to keep YOU in a job? Dont kid yourself! We all know the only language our near sited managers understand....$$$!
If customer aircraft are not covered and depart late, QF wears the costs. With agreements between airlines QF MUST fulfill its obligations to third party operators. If they cant they are penalised financially.
Dont forget why the bans are in place, and how they can be lifted ( short of undertaking to 'explore the potential...' baloney).
QF management hold all the answers. Treat your employees with a bit of respect and give them a descent EBA. How much pain they have to endure is up to them.
Do Not bend to the first offer gentlemen. We KNOW there's more in the kitty....how much goes into our pockets or managements pockets is upto each LAME.
Maintain the Rage.
P.S. The bans so far ARE having effect, but a 'blanket' ban will bring them to their knees.
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i think that instead of lifting the bans so that qf would talk to us, we should have said we won't lift the bans until they negotiate in good faith. Stay in the drivers seat and don't blink first.
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F@^KEN WEAK C*^TS the bans should of been increased once qf asked them to be lift,they will only come back with 3% because they know how weak the exec is,the meeting will be a waste of time and it will only remove any momentum we had.these twits must be removed next election
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Good hand- Who's in it
The only thing that will be looked after by inept exec is the company. For years they have been asked to provide a proffesional negotiator for our EBA's but all we get is a team of company orientated men. They show more balls trying to sue fellow members than standing up to the company. As far as you go MR QANTAS your protector is gone, you will be next.. To those who tried to break the overtime time bans in SYD domestic, we know who you are. Your PIMP is gone. We will never forget YOU.
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Looks like business as usual.
I hope that the Exec come to us with a more than reasonable offer.Otherwise what is the point of discontinuing these bans?
Has anybody heard what this in principle agreement contains.
I hope that the Exec come to us with a more than reasonable offer.Otherwise what is the point of discontinuing these bans?
Has anybody heard what this in principle agreement contains.
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So the company can catch up on their time limited defects and then survive for another 2 months when you reject their offer, followed by another lifting of the bans ... and so on ... and so on
Stay strong and consider that the family still needs you home on these cold nights, enjoy spending more time with them with or without official bans.
Stay strong and consider that the family still needs you home on these cold nights, enjoy spending more time with them with or without official bans.