Jeppesen Question
 

I have have just converted to using Jeps and i'm just wondering if i need to keep on file all my AIC'S and Supps that airservices continue to send me. I dont seem to get a Jepp equivelant.

Cheers.

Yes you do. There is no Jepp equivalent.

When the AIC / Supps subscription expires, don't renew it.

Log on to:
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and print the updates straight out of Acrobat.





Snooze ;) ;)

Thanks for that C.S, straight into my favorites.

Checkerboard, send me an email (with your email), and I'll send you a neat little Quick Reference Guide to make the transition easier. ;)

Capt. Snooze do you have a www. site for CAO's or CAR's.
Thanks Windy

www.casa.gov.au

Follow the links...

Windy,

Try the CASA Aviation Legislation website:

http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/rules/index.htm

Another Jeppesen question.
When you do your approach preview, how do you check the date of the plate?
ASA has a checklist with every amendment. Jeppesen, I'm told has only 1 a year. Some plates change several times during the year.

Each Jepp amendment we get includes a page with a list of additions and deletions to be incorporated.

I am sure it is the same system as you get in OZ.

It's correct that they only issue one checklist a year, but if you perform the updates and sign them off on the record sheet in the front of the 1st folder then there shouldn't be a problem.

You can, however, check at www.jeppesen.com by registering as a web site user (it's free) and entering your customer number. With that, you can access a list of every chart you should have (and its effective date) based on your subscription and also review past/future ammendments.

I Fly,
When I brief, I use the chart date in the middle of the chart just under the designator (ie 10-2). As you probably know, some have an "effective date" for those that are deferred for some reason. I don't know what the difference is, perhaps lead-time from CASA.

However, the master checklist is only issued once a year, but each amendment (fortnightly) has its own LEP. These should be incorporated in the front of one of the folders between yearly checklists, so you can stay on top of it all. Is that confusing or what? Theoretically you should end up with 25 of these in the front of your Jepps...

So, if you keep the LEP from each amendment.....No problem!

Thanks for everyones replies, most helpful!!
Check your mail Hugh Jarse, I have sent you an email.
:) :)

Thanks everyone for your replies. The problem is, I have CASA DAPS and when I do CIR tests the candidate turns up with Jeppesen. Some plates have later dates than mine (no problem) but some have earlier dates. They never seem to be able to produce the latest checklist which identifies the correct Jeppesen date. I end up studying the plate to see if there are any differences.

I Fly - get some jepps! They are easier to understand.... (Well I think they are! ) :D :D :D

I Fly - I think you did my MECIR test. :D

I Fly ... now, I've been away from the Oz flying scene for many years, so I'm undoubtedly out of touch with a lot of things that happen these days in flight tests. However, if I'd been in the position of having to contend with a test candidate whose charts did not match the date of my own, I reckon that I'd be putting it on the candidate to prove that the charts are up to date. I figure that, if they can't reconcile their charts for the flight test, what chance will they have after they've past the test?

Am I missing something here?

OzExpat. Thank you for your comments. That is exactly my worry. However it is difficult to penalise someone for using a legal document that is different from mine. I would have thought that all the Australian information that Jeppesen publishes comes from ASA. So why is it not identical? Does Jeppesen know something that ASA does not?
I was hoping that some Airline Pilots might enlighten me as to how they do their pre approach brief and verify the validity of the charts. There seems to be the attitude I've done the amendments, therefore they are correct. Perhaps I'm the only one making mistakes but lots of times when I do my amendments I find something different.

I Fly ... from the few obs flights I've done, it seems that the airline routine is to brief, in part, by comparing chart date, along the lines of ... "this will be the ILS RWY 04 approach at Brisbane and my chart date is...". PNF responds by confirming the same date on his/her chart.

The theory, I suspect, is that its highly unlikely that both of them will have the same out-of-date chart. Perhaps there's some QF or PX crews out there who can clarify the situation for us all? If this is the case, it probably won't help you too much, I Fly, as airline crews will undoubtedly all have Jepp charts and, therefore, not have to cross-check with the same AsA chart.

Shouldn't your approach brief cover any discrepent parts of a plate. Given you know the state of your own plates. Otherwise, just listen carefully for "WHOOP WHOOP, PULL UP" :D

I Fly, I see your dilemma but don't see that there is a problem. Jeppesen produce a "Revision letter" with each amendment. So ask the candidate to produce this page which will confirm the date of issue.

You ask if Jeppesen know something AsA doesn't.....quite likely I would think:rolleyes:

The difference is that Jeppesen issue revisions every two weeks! Not at the leisurely AsA rate.

ICARUS2001, would you please be so kind and enlighten me regarding your statement.
I asked if Jeppesen know something AsA doesn't.....Your answer "quite likely I would think"
Where does Jeppesen get data from that is NOT FROM ASA.
Ozexpat, thanks. I do believe that if both crews have the same plate, it works. And in an airline environment both will have the same plate. The "Revision letter" with each amendment only states what has changed this revision. If a pilot forgot to file a revision 6 month ago it will not become apparent until the annual complete list arrives.
Item 16 on the test form requires 'Publications amended and complete' it's difficult with 2 different sets of documents. I've had mine for 22 years - I'm not about to purchase a second set just because someone would like me to.
It would be so simple if Jeppesen used the exact same dating methodology that the national authority uses. Or does Jeppesen dictate to all the other 'ASAs' around the world.

I Fly,

All Jepp revisions have a sequential number and there is an amendment record sheet in the front of the Jepps where you write in what date you did your amendments.

If you have just done revision 16 and then go to write that you've done that amendment you would very quickly see that the revision 15 box has not been dated and know that you have missed that revision.

......or get Jepview and forget about plate amendments.

Just make sure you have an extension lead long enough to plug your puter into when you find you dont have that plate you need.
(Bunnings sell a 40000km lead.)

Mack

I'm sure that Jeppesen would love to be able to dictate to the various publication authorities around the world. It would make their own tasks simpler. I deal with them quite a bit and can assure you that they don't dictate to the mob I represent.

Most publication authorities plan to produce 12 amendments per year, on the AIRAC cycle. This results in amendments about every 28 days. As Jeppesen produce amendments every 14 days, one sometimes has to wonder why.

One answer to this is the changes that aviation authorities notify by Class 1 Notam, while a replacement chart is being prepared. Another answer could be that the 14-day cycle allows Jepps to rectify any of their own errors rapidly.

But the chart date problem still exists. I'm wondering if it might be less confusing if the Jepp chart showed the effective date as it appears on the sponsoring chart (ie the chart produced by the relevant publication authority) as well as their own publication cycle date. Knowing a bit about the Jeppesen system, that idea is probably too hard to implement.

I fly it was a joke, can you see the rolling eyes.

CHECKERBOARD - I would have thought having been a moderator you may have used Jepps previously?

What are you up to these days??

Jepps do get their information from ASA. Where Jepps issue amendments every 2 weeks, ASA only do it (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been 10 years since I used AIP) every 6 months?

However, from memory, don't ASA issue interim (minor) amendments to DAPS to be handwritten on the plate between issues?

It's quite easy to check if your candidate is up-to-date. As Icarus and C&B wrote, there is Master amendment sheet in the front of part A which the owner should have completed on a fortnightly basis.

With each amendment comes the revision sheet which lists all replace/remove and destroy sheets. These should match what is contained in the owners document. All replacement plates issued since amendment 1 will be annotated on one of the revision sheets.

Once a year, Jeppesen issues a master list of every page and its correct date. You check off your document off against this (VERY time consuming). If you have any out of date pages, you advise Jeppesen and can arrange replacement of any out of date pages. Not sure if that come$ at a co$t or not :mad:

To put you at ease, many charts that are re-issued by Jeppesen are for reasonably minor changes such as narratives, etc. I think these are such items that would be either amended in the DAPS by hand amendment or NOTAM(?) On Jepps the reason for revision is listed at the bottom of the plate.

Generally Jepps are more up-to-date. But for the price, they ought to be :)