Jeppesen Question
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Jeppesen Question
I have have just converted to using Jeps and i'm just wondering if i need to keep on file all my AIC'S and Supps that airservices continue to send me. I dont seem to get a Jepp equivelant.
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Another Jeppesen question.
When you do your approach preview, how do you check the date of the plate?
ASA has a checklist with every amendment. Jeppesen, I'm told has only 1 a year. Some plates change several times during the year.
When you do your approach preview, how do you check the date of the plate?
ASA has a checklist with every amendment. Jeppesen, I'm told has only 1 a year. Some plates change several times during the year.
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It's correct that they only issue one checklist a year, but if you perform the updates and sign them off on the record sheet in the front of the 1st folder then there shouldn't be a problem.
You can, however, check at www.jeppesen.com by registering as a web site user (it's free) and entering your customer number. With that, you can access a list of every chart you should have (and its effective date) based on your subscription and also review past/future ammendments.
You can, however, check at www.jeppesen.com by registering as a web site user (it's free) and entering your customer number. With that, you can access a list of every chart you should have (and its effective date) based on your subscription and also review past/future ammendments.
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I Fly,
When I brief, I use the chart date in the middle of the chart just under the designator (ie 10-2). As you probably know, some have an "effective date" for those that are deferred for some reason. I don't know what the difference is, perhaps lead-time from CASA.
However, the master checklist is only issued once a year, but each amendment (fortnightly) has its own LEP. These should be incorporated in the front of one of the folders between yearly checklists, so you can stay on top of it all. Is that confusing or what? Theoretically you should end up with 25 of these in the front of your Jepps...
So, if you keep the LEP from each amendment.....No problem!
When I brief, I use the chart date in the middle of the chart just under the designator (ie 10-2). As you probably know, some have an "effective date" for those that are deferred for some reason. I don't know what the difference is, perhaps lead-time from CASA.
However, the master checklist is only issued once a year, but each amendment (fortnightly) has its own LEP. These should be incorporated in the front of one of the folders between yearly checklists, so you can stay on top of it all. Is that confusing or what? Theoretically you should end up with 25 of these in the front of your Jepps...
So, if you keep the LEP from each amendment.....No problem!
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Thanks everyone for your replies. The problem is, I have CASA DAPS and when I do CIR tests the candidate turns up with Jeppesen. Some plates have later dates than mine (no problem) but some have earlier dates. They never seem to be able to produce the latest checklist which identifies the correct Jeppesen date. I end up studying the plate to see if there are any differences.
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I Fly ... now, I've been away from the Oz flying scene for many years, so I'm undoubtedly out of touch with a lot of things that happen these days in flight tests. However, if I'd been in the position of having to contend with a test candidate whose charts did not match the date of my own, I reckon that I'd be putting it on the candidate to prove that the charts are up to date. I figure that, if they can't reconcile their charts for the flight test, what chance will they have after they've past the test?
Am I missing something here?
Am I missing something here?
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OzExpat. Thank you for your comments. That is exactly my worry. However it is difficult to penalise someone for using a legal document that is different from mine. I would have thought that all the Australian information that Jeppesen publishes comes from ASA. So why is it not identical? Does Jeppesen know something that ASA does not?
I was hoping that some Airline Pilots might enlighten me as to how they do their pre approach brief and verify the validity of the charts. There seems to be the attitude I've done the amendments, therefore they are correct. Perhaps I'm the only one making mistakes but lots of times when I do my amendments I find something different.
I was hoping that some Airline Pilots might enlighten me as to how they do their pre approach brief and verify the validity of the charts. There seems to be the attitude I've done the amendments, therefore they are correct. Perhaps I'm the only one making mistakes but lots of times when I do my amendments I find something different.
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I Fly ... from the few obs flights I've done, it seems that the airline routine is to brief, in part, by comparing chart date, along the lines of ... "this will be the ILS RWY 04 approach at Brisbane and my chart date is...". PNF responds by confirming the same date on his/her chart.
The theory, I suspect, is that its highly unlikely that both of them will have the same out-of-date chart. Perhaps there's some QF or PX crews out there who can clarify the situation for us all? If this is the case, it probably won't help you too much, I Fly, as airline crews will undoubtedly all have Jepp charts and, therefore, not have to cross-check with the same AsA chart.
The theory, I suspect, is that its highly unlikely that both of them will have the same out-of-date chart. Perhaps there's some QF or PX crews out there who can clarify the situation for us all? If this is the case, it probably won't help you too much, I Fly, as airline crews will undoubtedly all have Jepp charts and, therefore, not have to cross-check with the same AsA chart.
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Shouldn't your approach brief cover any discrepent parts of a plate. Given you know the state of your own plates. Otherwise, just listen carefully for "WHOOP WHOOP, PULL UP" 