Air Ngukurr Grounded......
 

An inside source stated that somone "may have broken a rule"....... .CASA gave Air Ngukurr an Aust Day pressie by removing their CP, effectively grounding the carrier UFN.. .Anyone got some more details?

I heard it too, apparently they have to find a new chief pilot before they can opperate further. AOC still stands, and all planes grounded.

Is this the same guy who caused all the ruckus on PPRuNe some time ago.

Seems like they may take some time but I suspect they heard it here on first.

so at this risk of asking a completely blonde question ... does that mean all of Wimray's ops are included in this as well?

Like, they can really afford this with another carrier trying to compete on the routes... but I hear the pricing is pretty keen ...

AND .. I hear a bandit is/was on the way to compete with the Twotter ... ???

Yes gaunty, it is the very same person who caused alot of trouble back here a time ago, i can't seem to remember who it was exactly that started it all <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> . .All i can say is that if he has been doing what he has been accused of, then he probably deserves it, you can't take it easy and not suffer the consequenses.. .And yes The Voice, the Bandit is on its way up, saw it leave YSBK the other day, nice looking machine. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

CASA at it again !!! 2030 hrs on a Friday night, by Fax, and cites rumours and innuendo as the basis for their actions. God help us - no one else can. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

I thought that if he'd been virtually pulled as CP they might at the end of the day have something this time. 100 people cant be wrong, just go ask 'em.

Yes Gaunty, the horses mouth tells me that it was indeed the screwball that caused the ruckus some time ago. that screwball is on my "thanks, but no thanks" list.

Guys, . .Before i might make a mistake, can somebody email me with the details of this "ruckus" that happened some time ago...?

&gt;Jenny Talia : 100 people cant be wrong, just go ask 'em...... Ask 'em what ?

Virtually, in the real world, at the end of the day; What goes around comes around! I heard he kept a position as manager, I feel sorry for the pleb that's gonna be the new CP/Baby sitter.

The CP was suspended at close of business Friday. As a result all Air Ngukkur pilots have been suspended without pay. (anyone know the legalities of this??). . .A stand-in CP is to be appointed on Tuesday enabling operations to continue. The AOC is intact, allowing Air Ngukkur trading as Wimray to cross hire aircraft over the weekend.. .Quite a few pilots sitting at home with smiles on their faces....... :) . .The bandit should be in DN late arvo today.

From the horses mouth.

I wasnt aware you could operate over weekends without a CP?

What exactly (virtually) was the reason he was removed as CP?

If you are a full time employee of the company you cannot be suspended without reason, CP being removed is not a reason. Also if you have been casual for 3 or more months you are also entitled to a full time salary and all the extras (holiday pay etc) and if you havent been getting them you have rights in lieu. I was led to believe that there were guys still casually employed after a year. THIS IS ILLEGAL (talk to your union or the industrial relations commission).

An anomoly I also wanted some clarification on was, how can a guy on CP salary be able to buy all the things this guy has? (house in Cullen Bay, several aircraft, etc). He wasnt wealthy before he started with Air Ngukurr, maybe someone should look at where he is getting all this money!! Although I feel sorry for the pilots who are unfortunate enough to work for this guy I feel even more sorry for the aboriginal owners who he seems to be taking to the cleaners as well.

......alledgedly

Jenny

This was an issue discussed at length in the thread of long ago which I can't seem to find as I suspect they wound up in Admin cyberspace.

It seems that CASA have finally acted on the operational side, I guess it's past time for the Federal Govt dept responsible for financial issues to go have a look at what's happening.

Our indigenous brethren don't deserve this.

So, apart from being a nice guy to the employees, which Reg. was busted???? <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> . . <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Speaking from personal experience, CASA are not likely to divulge details of investigations prior to them being completed and acted upon if necessessary, not even to primary witnesses so the likelyhood of finding out what the CP is being charged with is slim unless he says something directly.

If the information CASA have been provided with is correct and able to be proven they may choose to act further. Any rumour or inuendo may cloud such an investigation, wasting time, money and resources of both the company in question and CASA.

Sure, there are times when CASA appeared to have their facts slightly skewed but there are operators who for the greater good were shut down to be replaced eventually by a hopefully better one.

It still in the end comes down to the pilots. Are you operating purely to gain hours or are you flying to the high standards which are expected by the innocent clientel. Pilots have a choice.

Its my family you guys are flying around now, I dont want them flying in a VFR aircraft in IFR conditions, flying in a twin which mandatory instruments are U/S, or flying with pilots who take risks just because they want the hours or the boss hasnt paid the fuel bills thus limiting the refuelling points.

Let CASA do its job, limit the rumour to substaniated fact. If you have information give it to the relevent folks to do what they can, and lay off the mud slinging. Ive been in the industry a short time compared to most, but its long enough to see friends killed and families morn for loved ones lost in the ingorance of "business" and "collecting hours for the logbook". Sobering yes, but its preventable, if the right information is given to the appropriate people.

Thats my two bits...

Q. How does CASA get information, or valuable leads from companies with brow-beaten employees scared of turning their name to mud?. .A. Often by gaining it through anonymous sources, such as this, sure there's a lot of crap mixed in, but someone who knows a snippet will know what to look for.

It is interesting to note that when CASA "pulled" the AOC for Alice Springs Air Charter, they issued a press release which is (still)on their website.

However nothing about Air Ngukurr on their website yet. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Final thought; no smoke without fire. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

I seem to remember something along the lines of CDEP wages, and mobile phone approaches (MPAs). :)

PLease tell me the pilots were not being paid CDEP wages. I have heard of some bad pay conditions but CDEP for a Pilot?