latest on Air nagukurr? is that how you say...........
 

Is Air (place about 280nm se of dn)ngukkur still operating. . .Read some posts on it a few weeks ago. Sounds like how another company was started up there. From an Island a little further east. But that company had people who started it using the money from the wah wahs to set a standed on how a charter company should be run. Not use it on them selves. Atleast not until they left the company. . .There still going on strong I hear.

The company you refer to is still operating. They have a new CP in place who apparently (rumour only) is respected by the current pilots.

RESPECTED?!?!?!?! <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> . .I'm sorry prop, but that couldn't be further from the truth. (as you said it was a rumour, it was probably started by the CP himself!!). .I've worked under this guy before, and the few people that I know at Air Ngukurr, really dislike him, and thats being nice!. .He doesn't like pilots that don't suck up to him, or pilots that stand up for their rights. Also i've heard he is a bit racist, i won't say his name, but he knows who he is. . .Now all you ex-air ngukurr pilots out there, you thought the old CP was bad, he is an ANGEL compared to this new bloke.. .I think the whole 'power trip' thing has got to him, and he thinks he is gods gift to pilots, so in that sense, he comes across like a budding Hitler!! :) . .Any of you current Air Ngukurr boys, or friends of them, make your own comments on here about him, I'd really like to know if it's just a few of you who feel the same way, or is it the same across the board?? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

I think there are probably many who would like to know, what life in AN(gkurr)Mk2 is like.

As someone new to DN, it's seems imposible to know whether to go meet this guy and s##k up, or when to draw the line & avoid them to protect my career. With old claims (no longer in archives I note) and recent ones of CDEP pay, terrible living conditions, and.... . [quote] a budding Hitler!! <hr></blockquote>. ....it's all very confusing.

Have things improved???

The last I heard from a friend was that things were quite good up at Air Ngukurr.

Firstly Offchocks, things at air NGU are ok, i mean with the whole airport being very quiet, not much work is going on.. .Secondly Gotmygearup, the old CP, who recently had his approval taken off him, isn't that bad, people in the company, not just pilots, have said he has improved over what he used to be like, and in my opinion, he is nt an unreasonable man. However, the new CP, who used to be the CP of Kak Air, well twice he was, and there were many a pilot made unhappy with this character. When this person left the CP position of Kak Air, he came back shortly after, and the pilots employed by the stand in CP, were not looked after (basically he didnt like them), and the pilots knew it too. So a few of them were hired by Wimray, and they are still there with the purchase by air NGU, so he is a but funny towards them, actually he is a but funny towards alot of the current pilots, tho there are a few who he likes (for reasons i shant say).. .Suer he is bad, and is getting rather too bossy, i think that "a budding hitler", is going a little too far, he isn't THAT bad, maybe your friends are in his bad books or something, but i do agree on the power trip, he was never this way when he was just a casual at wimray.

this is getting confusing... . .can someone clarify?

1.hasn't air ngukurr bought out wimray?. .2.and the old CP at ngukurr is a kiwi with initials H.E.?. .3.and the current CP at ngukurr who was also ex CP at Kak air name of Cr... Mi....?. .4.does ngukurr still operate under the wimray name?

1. Yes. .2. Yes. .3. No (Ro... Do....). .4. Yes

Hey Bionic Vapour Boy, you refer to the current CP liking a few of his pilots....do you mean the "Bull" factor??

[ 02 March 2002: Message edited by: Jose Cuervo ]</p>

My few cents worth are as follows to any aspiring wannabe trying for a job in NT with BULL:

1. Desparation for your first type job may require you to work for the current Bozo CP at Air Ngukurr. And yes, you may be required to apply a little vasoline to your rear end.. .2. Don't forget, it's a means to an end.(Being your big airline career). .3. Bozo (Bull)will never have an airline career, so you can expect s**t from him cos' he's jealous of most pilots employed under him. I believe he's not allowed near the Bandit, so he's even more agro.. .5. Do not try to talk sense into this idiot when you have an interview. (He doesn't know what he's on about: thinks aiming points are variable and can move up and down runways). He is always right cos' he's the CP.. .6. He responds well to being called "Bull"(I think this is his role in his current boy/boy relationship). .7. It's very quiet in the to end right now, no work anywhere, but if you have in excess of 1000hrs and good sound knowledge on C210/C206 you may land a job with Hardy's.. .8. Wac wac's require an ATPL with 6 shuttle launches and monn landing recency.. .9. Give old Bull a go, you never know what's around the corner.

Ah yes, the infamous BULL factor! Think it means Bull$**** factor.

Bull$*** factor. .I always thoguht it was the Bullwinkle factor. . <img src="http://www.everwonder.com/david/bullwinkle/1.gif" alt="" />

Gotmygearup what is CDEP pay ?

Community Developement Education Program. .. .Its kinda Like work for the dole for people in Aboriginal Communities.

Thanks Peter

Ask Bozo about VH-GKZ crash at Kakair. Really showed his true colours there. Made lots of friends(NOT)!!! Bend over boys, you are all in for a good shafting. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Community Development Employment Projects (CDEP). .Community Development Employment Projects (CDEP) provide employment for Indigenous people in a wide range of community projects and enterprises, and allow Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities and organisations to take control of their own communities' economic and social development. . .. .Now the Commonwealth’s largest Indigenous program, CDEP began in 1977 at the request of a number of remote communities who wanted an alternative to continued reliance on unemployment benefits. In 1984 it was expanded to include Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people living in rural and urban areas.. .. .The new CDEP objective, endorsed after a 1997 review, is: ‘To provide work for unemployed Indigenous persons in community-managed activities which assist the individual in acquiring skills which benefit the community, develop business enterprises and/or lead to unsubsidised employment.". .. .Description: ATSIC provides a grant to a community or organisation for them to undertake community-managed activities and pay wages to workers. CDEP organisations managing projects also receive amounts to cover the costs of administration and capital items. . .. .The CDEP scheme is led by the communities and participants involved. Any activity that benefits the community can be a CDEP activity; these range from community maintenance to land management to the development of businesses to cultural or sporting activities. (ATSIC Website) </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">... The line, "To provide work for unemployed Indigenous persons in community-managed activities which assist the individual in acquiring skills which benefit the community..." says much...But only if it's true!. .. .No-one has ever cleared up whether the airline actually was or more importantly is working under this or not.

Zuludead,. .Tell me more about the great GKZ. I used to fly that bucket of *^%$ until about 6 months (i think?) before it spudded in. Fuel pump failure, I heard but I didn't hear about the political fallout afterwards.

Zuludead, be careful.... . .. .I realise casting dispersions is your specialty but unless you have fact not innuendo be very careful.. .. .You caused enough trouble already without attacking somebody else. I know who you are as do others. Again be very careful, legal action is not pleasant. .. .I would have posted you personally but you dont have your email address handy. . .. .Your dispersions also have a secondary effect.. they ruin it for many other Ppruners who come here to have a quiet read, chat, or informed debate.

C'mon Northern Chique, lighten up, I thought this was what the PPRUNE was all about.......... .This is EXACTLY why I'm here.. . . . <small>[ 08 March 2002, 13:44: Message edited by: Jose Cuervo ]</small>

I agree Jose!! Northern Chique, babe, Chill out!!. .In case you have forgotten, it is a rumour network!! Let them flow, fast and free <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

northern_chique,. .Maybe your initials are R....D.....Me thinks you have this subject a little too close to heart.. .But if you're not who you may be, the pilot of GKZ on that fateful day (with the limited experience the average Kakair pilot has) conducted a successful emergency landing bearing in mind the following:. .1.Nobody was badly injured.. .2.The engine failure occured at an altitude of no higher than 1000ft.. .3.The pilot was inadequately trained by the inadequate CP on emergency procedures.. .So before you start threatening people on this site, maybe you should think twice. Big brother is out there (HERE).. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Oh, I forgot!! It was an EDP failure, which absolved pilot error, but the CP (what a guy) sacked the pilot anyway. Maybe the CP should think about his experience regarding training of junior pilots a little more carefully and realise his responsibilities as CP.!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />

Hey Northern Chique, calm down, you haven't worked under him, he is tough and ruthless (one day soon he will be rough and toothless, if C**** M***** has his way).. .But in defence of her, no she is not R**** D****** at all, far from it.. .But Skidmark you are right, it was an EDP failure, and Bull musn't have trained him properly, as if he was he would have put the Aux pump on, but even if he HAD been taught that, his course of action may have proven to be a better one.. .Put yourself in the pilots spot, you're a low time pilot, doing low level scenics, not trained in a low level course, and no training from the CP, you have an engine failure at low level, and your perfomance becomes that of the common house brick (ie, you're going down FAST). What would you do if you only had a few seconds to do something, would you look at your fuel, mags, master, pumps etc, or would you try to save your life by finding a suitable area to land the sucker.. .Now admitadly this is how the majority of people would view the situation, but our old buddy here didn't see it that way, all he saw was, the stupid low time pilots didn't turn on the Aux pump, and because of it, i've got a blemish next to my name.. .I think that being the CP of a company with low time pilots, you are obliged to train them properly and teach them all that you know, and not blame them when something goes wrong.. .It will eventually come back on him, after all, there are alot of pilots he has p***** off in the past, and if he wants to get himself a REAL GA job then he's got buckleys. He had a chance with the police airwing, but it seems a single engine turbine is too hard to fly, so how is he expected to fly a twin engine turbine? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. .(Edited for not being Perfect). . . . <small>[ 09 March 2002, 01:35: Message edited by: Mr Perfect ]</small>

Skidmark etc, don't soil yer collective undies about it, the accident happened, end story. . . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">It was an EDP failure, which absolved pilot error....</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Everyone here has the benefit of hindsight (20/20 usually), and can obviously say that they would have done differently in that situation, had they been there themselves. Some shcools of thought say that they aux (low boost) pump should be on when low, others say not. We can only hope to learn from the mistakes/misfortunes of others so as not to make them ourselves.. .. .No need for anyone to make a huge issue of it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

429 CJ,. .. .Not a huge issue at all except for the fact that the pilot involved was sacked(meaning big career drama)unfairly by some Bozo not exercising his delegated duties correctly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .This bloke seems to think that he has the power to make/break careers. When in fact he is a clown!! From what I know, the pilot of GKZ at the time made his decision and stuck to it!! HE DID A GOOD JOB IN AVOIDING A CATASTROPHY. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> . .. .For the members involved at Air Ngukurr - WATCH OUT, this guy will take you down - regardless. I've never heard of him backing up an employee when the Company Director wants blood.. .. .IMHO, all pilots simply want to get the job done in the best and most professional way in order to climb the ladder. They have all spent far too much time, effort and brass to make a mistake and they know it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I'm sure you've seen this happpen time and again for those of us relegated to the GA scene and these young aspiring jocks should be praised for their dedication. . .. .Go get Joe Bloggs apprentice plumber/uni graduate to put up with this cr@p. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

Sorry, Ive been down south for too long...... .. .So R D sacks this poor bloke who was obviously a little shaken after the incident which would no doubt have pleased Kakadu Bob, then why did R D leave the company and how did he end up where he is today?. .. .Northern_chique: threatening legal action against somebody who posts on an ANONYMOUS RUMOUR network suggests one of two things.. .1) You have something to hide or,. .2) You dont understand the spirit that this whole forum was created in.. .. .Either way - Lighten up!

It may be prudent boys and girls to remember that even though this is an anonymous rumour forum that the lord high master has had to defend himself of some threatened legal actions. He has also closed Dunnunda from time to time to demonstrate his point, (and also is level of pi$$ed offness). .. .so.... pull your collective heads in, as the way I read N_C's post, she was doing the prudent thing and making a timely reminder to all that legal action can be taken and for all to be cautious in treading where angels fear! I didn't see her post as a threat of legal action against anyone in particular ... . .. .but then I am female and a logical one at that!. .. .Woomera, Woomera where for art though Woomera

I believe RD left Kakair to pursue his own career with the NT Police Airwing. This didn't work out for him. Rumour has it that he couldn't make the grade on the PC12. So he went back to Wimray as a casual charter pilot.. .. .Air Ngukurr bought out Wimray, the CP was sacked by CASA, and so Air Ngukurr needed a bunny to "tow the line".. .. .Hey presto, RD is new CP for them.. .. .Here endith the lesson. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

The more things change, the more they stay the same. This story ain't over yet.

Voice. .. .Thank you, geez guys N C wasn't threatening legal action against anybody, just pointing out that it ain't fun from whichever side you're looking at it from.

A casual question here guys.. .. .How can a person not make the grade on an aircraft? I can only assume the applicant was not screened properly at the interview stage. A few appropiate questions on turbine engines perhaps, a few on the CAO's and CAR's and perhaps some human factors type questions on high altitude flight.. .A far as the practical training is concerned, if a candidate fails to make the grade isn't this a reflection on the quality of instruction?. .. .Not withstanding I'm sure there are some out there that should not be let lose in an aircraft but a Police PC-12? Somethings wrong somewhere.

Voice. .You rang?. .. .But, soft! what light through yonder tower breaks?. . It is the east, and Voice is the sun.. . Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,. . Who is already sick and pale with grief,. . That thou her maid art far more fair than she:. . Be not her maid, since she is envious;. . Her vestal livery is but sick and green. . And none but fools do wear it; cast it off.. . It is my lady, O, it is my love!. . O, that she knew she were!. . She speaks yet she says nothing: what of that?. . Her eye discourses; I will answer it.. . I am too bold, 'tis not to me she speaks:. . Two of the fairest stars in all the heaven,. . Having some business, do entreat her eyes. . To twinkle in their spheres till they return.. . What if her eyes were there, they in her head?. . The brightness of her cheek would shame those stars,. . As daylight doth a lamp; her eyes in heaven. . Would through the airy region stream so bright. . That birds would sing and think it were not night.. . See, how she leans her cheek upon her hand!. . O, that I were a glove upon that hand,. . That I might touch that cheek!. .. .Now can I have that Flight Level and clearance direct I requested please? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .To the rest of you.. .. .And on a serious note, this subject has been raised before and it would appear that since then certain events have subsequently taken place.. .. .Please discuss and contain your comments to the important issues only, names or initials are not necessary, especially in the small community in which you are.. . . . <small>[ 10 March 2002, 13:00: Message edited by: Woomera ]</small>

gaunty and voice. .. .thank you for your upholding of my "reputation". . .. .for the record guys and gals, and those who forget the rights others have... those ten thingys where the object of my rather brief statement and the consequences of running the boundries of those thingies.. .. .Heated and poorly thought out statements have resulted previously in many of us loosing what little precious time we have on pprune. . .. .While one would hope all would retain a little professionalism, antagonistic attitudes help no one. Debate, humour and support for those involved in a very sick aviation industry, may be much better placed than to deride those unfortunate enough to get in your collective way.. .. .There may be there are no angels in this sad tale, but it doesnt help to aid in public humiliation.

Well it looks like the focus has shifted from the old vilain to the new. Old CP has done quite a good job of pulling his head in, I think he realised that it was about to get shot off!!! . .. .What I do find interesting is the fact that someone here posted that he is a reasonable man, and thet he has been getting better than he was. That is to say he is not as dodgy as he once was. Should he be exused then for past wrongs? Maybe Osama isnt such a bad bloke because he hasent killed anyone in the last couple of months. . .. .I hear that the old CP thinks he will get his CP approval back. Oh CASA dont let this happen. Imagine if he once again rules the roost, then while he is in charge Air Nukurr has one go in. The media will have a field day "CASA were aware the chief pilot was dodgy years ago but failed to act" Yep dont let him slip through the net.. .. .Thats all for now.

Oh well, I think we've just about flogged this one to death. Anyway, I believe that Peter Wally and prop-wash mentioned at the start of all this something about a little island to the EAST??? Could this be Groote Island????. .. .What stuff can we dig up on this lot??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

It's not Connection Island NA.. . . . <small>[ 12 March 2002, 06:32: Message edited by: PeterWally ]</small>

Hey skidmark, do i know you??. .According to a guy at AIr Ngukurr I do!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

With regards to all the concern with respect to slander and libel on this BB I seem to remember that the old USENET used to and may still be a completely unmoderated free for all. Last time I looked at it under the aus.aviation section some time back a certain well-known former chairman of CASA was refrred to in very derogatory terms. Way back in the mists of time during the Gulf war, before fancy colourful browsers (was Mosaic around then?)the old Usenet really displayed online human debauchery in every imaginable form.. .. . Ahhh the good old days!

Hey Mr. Sniperpilot....bet you can remember this;. .. .Nah ne na nah ne na nah. Bwwillllll.. .. .(Goldeneye theme after you got killed by the golden gun). .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

Blah Blah Bl**dy Blah . .Same nameless, faceless, gutless ex fisherman all throwing the same mud. Maybe one day you will have the courage to face up to the people with whom you have a problem and confront them, instead of hiding behind your computer screen.. .Denigrating people in an anonymous forum is easy, coming forward and airing your grievances is not.. .I know who you are and I can name names to you know.......................... .. .Thats my two bob's worth. HH.. .. .Ps: Apologies to all the constructive contributors.. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> " Those that can do! the others just sit back and complain" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 13 March 2002, 23:27: Message edited by: Howard Hughes ]</small>