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Hey Downwind
The only place that seems to do them is Australasian Jet at EN. Most owners now wont allow them to be done as they are becoming more defensive of their aeroplanes. Maybe something to do with insurance but im not sure. I searched a few weeks ago and that was about the only place to do it. If you want ICUS aswell Im not sure as i did ask but they werent too commital. I think from memory you cant do it with pax on board and they do mainly charters so....
Sorry dont have number but its in the phone book and ask for Con. Hes the man. Enjoy
CA
Theres a few places in SY that do ICUS and endorcements if youre willing to travel and the flying is better and busier.
The only place that seems to do them is Australasian Jet at EN. Most owners now wont allow them to be done as they are becoming more defensive of their aeroplanes. Maybe something to do with insurance but im not sure. I searched a few weeks ago and that was about the only place to do it. If you want ICUS aswell Im not sure as i did ask but they werent too commital. I think from memory you cant do it with pax on board and they do mainly charters so....
Sorry dont have number but its in the phone book and ask for Con. Hes the man. Enjoy
CA
Theres a few places in SY that do ICUS and endorcements if youre willing to travel and the flying is better and busier.
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Is that like an Instrument Rating or Instructor Rating? Sorry busting your balls. 
Funny how people get protective of their clapped out 30 year old aircraft. If one of their staff pilot's is doing the instruction where is the problem? I understand getting twitchy about TIO engines but not IO.
Funny how people get protective of their clapped out 30 year old aircraft. If one of their staff pilot's is doing the instruction where is the problem? I understand getting twitchy about TIO engines but not IO.
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All the 30 year machinery around my neighbourhood gets to live in nice warm garages, lovingly restored, treated with great respect for their age and are taken out, gently, for some fresh air on bright sunny Sunday mornings.
All the 30 year machinery around my neighbourhood gets to live in nice warm garages, lovingly restored, treated with great respect for their age and are taken out, gently, for some fresh air on bright sunny Sunday mornings.
Gaunty,
Any chance of you telling us a little about your aviation background. I read the "arse kicking" (to quote AMOS 2) you handed out.
I can see you are the proud holder of an ATPL. Is it that you own and/or operate aircraft in addition to the family business. I realise these questions may be a bit personal however, you post so much and seem to be a very well read contributor to the forum with much to say of worth.
(I'm hoping flattery will get me somewhere.......
)
In fairness, to reciprocate, I am a humble wannabe like so many flying C206's in the top end; 1000-1500 hours, love the work, looking forward to much bigger and better things down the track.
I was just sitting here listening to "Rocky Mountain High" for those that will never forget.......and I got to wondering.......
By the way, I did my PA-31 endorsement in Sydney on a PA-31 owned by an organisation Based at Dubbo, you better look them up in the Yellow Pages, (not the Airline based there), very cheap, not sure if they are still doing them. Great aircraft to fly.
Any chance of you telling us a little about your aviation background. I read the "arse kicking" (to quote AMOS 2) you handed out.
I can see you are the proud holder of an ATPL. Is it that you own and/or operate aircraft in addition to the family business. I realise these questions may be a bit personal however, you post so much and seem to be a very well read contributor to the forum with much to say of worth.
(I'm hoping flattery will get me somewhere.......
)In fairness, to reciprocate, I am a humble wannabe like so many flying C206's in the top end; 1000-1500 hours, love the work, looking forward to much bigger and better things down the track.
I was just sitting here listening to "Rocky Mountain High" for those that will never forget.......and I got to wondering.......
By the way, I did my PA-31 endorsement in Sydney on a PA-31 owned by an organisation Based at Dubbo, you better look them up in the Yellow Pages, (not the Airline based there), very cheap, not sure if they are still doing them. Great aircraft to fly.
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T - Turbocharged
I - Injected
O - Horizontally Opposed
Got these from 100LL a while ago when I asked a question in Engineers and Tech's:
Example: TIO 540 E1B4D
PREFIX
L - Lefthand Engine Rot.
T - Turbocharged
V - Vertical Helicopter
H - Horizontal Helicopter
A - Aerobatic
I - Fuel Injected
G - Geared Nose Section
S - Supercharged
O - Opposed Cylinder
Middle 3 Numbers are Cubic Inches
SUFFIX
E - Power Section & Rating
1 - Nose Section
B - Accessory Section
4 - Counterweight Applic.
D - Dual Magneto
and these from HeliEng:
Straight from the mouths of Lycoming, here we go!
1. Prefixes
AE - Aerobatic (wet sump)
H - Horizontal Helicopter
I - Fuel Injected
L - Left Hand Rotation Crankshaft
O - Opposed Cylinders
T - Turbocharged
2. Cylinder Cubic Inch Displacement
Cubic Inch Displacement No of Cylinders
235, 320, 360 4
540, 580 6
720 8
3. Suffixes
L - Indicates change in Power Section and
Rating from Original Design
1 - Indicates Nose Section
B - Indicates Accessory Section
5 - Indicates Counterweight Application
I - Injected
O - Horizontally Opposed
Got these from 100LL a while ago when I asked a question in Engineers and Tech's:
Example: TIO 540 E1B4D
PREFIX
L - Lefthand Engine Rot.
T - Turbocharged
V - Vertical Helicopter
H - Horizontal Helicopter
A - Aerobatic
I - Fuel Injected
G - Geared Nose Section
S - Supercharged
O - Opposed Cylinder
Middle 3 Numbers are Cubic Inches
SUFFIX
E - Power Section & Rating
1 - Nose Section
B - Accessory Section
4 - Counterweight Applic.
D - Dual Magneto
and these from HeliEng:
Straight from the mouths of Lycoming, here we go!
1. Prefixes
AE - Aerobatic (wet sump)
H - Horizontal Helicopter
I - Fuel Injected
L - Left Hand Rotation Crankshaft
O - Opposed Cylinders
T - Turbocharged
2. Cylinder Cubic Inch Displacement
Cubic Inch Displacement No of Cylinders
235, 320, 360 4
540, 580 6
720 8
3. Suffixes
L - Indicates change in Power Section and
Rating from Original Design
1 - Indicates Nose Section
B - Indicates Accessory Section
5 - Indicates Counterweight Application
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I bow to the master (well to someone who knows more than me anyway....)
My understanding was, for example, GTSIO - Geared, Turbosupercharged Injected Opposed? (like say a C421)
Not being smart@rse, genuinely interested. Are Lyco different to TCM?
(Maybe this should go to Tech.....)
Cheers. (& who is W.G.P?)
My understanding was, for example, GTSIO - Geared, Turbosupercharged Injected Opposed? (like say a C421)
Not being smart@rse, genuinely interested. Are Lyco different to TCM?
(Maybe this should go to Tech.....)Cheers. (& who is W.G.P?)
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Hey Jamair,
Was just curious myself about these things. That was why I asked in Tech ages ago.
I'm not sure if Lyco are different from TDC but I am aware of similar prefixes used in both. That's probably a good enough reason to have them use different ones though
W.G.P - F*cked if i know! , but it wasnt my thoughts that came up with the saying so I just posted the initials of the person who came up with it. Their full name wasnt listed where I got the quote from.
Twin
PS - going by what is above then I guess you would be right with the GTSIO thing...
Was just curious myself about these things. That was why I asked in Tech ages ago.
I'm not sure if Lyco are different from TDC but I am aware of similar prefixes used in both. That's probably a good enough reason to have them use different ones though
W.G.P - F*cked if i know!
, but it wasnt my thoughts that came up with the saying so I just posted the initials of the person who came up with it. Their full name wasnt listed where I got the quote from.Twin
PS - going by what is above then I guess you would be right with the GTSIO thing...
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Real-time forum line .......... 
COOL!!
An active interest in the things that keep us airborne can't be a bad thing. Perhaps the Cessna legend, Gaunty, can provide more insight into this issue. Just checked my manual and the Lycos in the Sneaker are TIO360s, so there you go......
Cheers.
COOL!!An active interest in the things that keep us airborne can't be a bad thing. Perhaps the Cessna legend, Gaunty, can provide more insight into this issue. Just checked my manual and the Lycos in the Sneaker are TIO360s, so there you go......
Cheers.
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Yes, in Queen Air, some models of Twin Bonanza and Aero Commanders...a VERY good engine IF treated properly.
Has a supercharger (not a turbocharger), just like the big radial engines of yesteryear.
Yes, in Queen Air, some models of Twin Bonanza and Aero Commanders...a VERY good engine IF treated properly.
Has a supercharger (not a turbocharger), just like the big radial engines of yesteryear.
The Lycoming TIO, and TCM TSIO's are in theory equivalent types often pulling equivalent airframes.
The difference in naming is simply that TCM wish to "you beaut!" their name by adding the term supercharged to an engine that the rest of the aviation engineering fraternity (myself NOT included) considers to be simply turbocharged.
Not wishing to overstate the obvious, a reciprocating engine can be:
Normally aspirated,
Turbocharged; or
Supercharged.
Turbocharging and Supercharging both achieve acceleration of the inlet manifold airflow. Turbocharging however, is driven by exhaust gases where as supercharging is driven either directly or through a gearing mechanism by the crankshaft. My point, unless someone wants to correct me, is that you cannot have both S and T on a TCM TSIO-520 as they are mutually exclusive, despite how good TCM believe that sounds, of course a TCM TSIO-520 engine is turbocharged NOT supercharged.
BTW, I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain that a lycoming LTIO-540 lives on the starboard wing of a Chieftain not the port wing.
IMHO it would seem, given reconditioning tolerances accepted by TCM as compared to Lycoming, Lycoming wins the brand new toaster....ask your friendly engineer, one that tinkers with both.
The difference in naming is simply that TCM wish to "you beaut!" their name by adding the term supercharged to an engine that the rest of the aviation engineering fraternity (myself NOT included) considers to be simply turbocharged.
Not wishing to overstate the obvious, a reciprocating engine can be:
Normally aspirated,
Turbocharged; or
Supercharged.
Turbocharging and Supercharging both achieve acceleration of the inlet manifold airflow. Turbocharging however, is driven by exhaust gases where as supercharging is driven either directly or through a gearing mechanism by the crankshaft. My point, unless someone wants to correct me, is that you cannot have both S and T on a TCM TSIO-520 as they are mutually exclusive, despite how good TCM believe that sounds, of course a TCM TSIO-520 engine is turbocharged NOT supercharged.
BTW, I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain that a lycoming LTIO-540 lives on the starboard wing of a Chieftain not the port wing.
IMHO it would seem, given reconditioning tolerances accepted by TCM as compared to Lycoming, Lycoming wins the brand new toaster....ask your friendly engineer, one that tinkers with both.
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