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Rumour has it, that Alliance will be holding a media day tomorrow at BNE to reveal their new colours. There may also be a few Asian looking men from a certian airline in the crowd tomorrow.
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Also, there will be a Sunshine Express flight arriving at the Alliance hangar at about 9.30 to drop off people who attended the opening of the Singapore Flying College last night.
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Ok guys, it will happen this week, Wednesday will be the big day. F100 will appear in Alliances colours and will fly from BNE to a regional QLD city. The flight will be full of invited guest and media.
The new colours look good and are similar to a another airline. Should see 2 more F100's arrive before years end and more new routes added thereafter. My guess is they will operate into the NT and destinations south of BNE will happen.
The new colours look good and are similar to a another airline. Should see 2 more F100's arrive before years end and more new routes added thereafter. My guess is they will operate into the NT and destinations south of BNE will happen.
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I recently had the pleasure of conversing with a chap who was proficient in the assessement of aircraft operational viability.
The only aircraft to his knowledge that was more expensive to operate than a Fokker 100 was/is a Hercules...
The only aircraft to his knowledge that was more expensive to operate than a Fokker 100 was/is a Hercules...
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Your question is fair but the answer has not been volunteered.
I spoke with a Royal Brunei F100 pilot a number of years ago who made an off the cuff comment that he understood the aircraft were expensive to own and operate. If I remember correctly he said the aircraft were in good condition and were ex Swissair.
Royal Brunei used the F100 while in their fleet (for a brief period only) on both short and medium range sectors in S.E Asia. I saw the a/c in BKK on one occasion and both SIN and KUL a number of times.
I guess BBK would be a good 3 hours in nil wind/weather conditions from BWN.
Your question is fair but the answer has not been volunteered.
I spoke with a Royal Brunei F100 pilot a number of years ago who made an off the cuff comment that he understood the aircraft were expensive to own and operate. If I remember correctly he said the aircraft were in good condition and were ex Swissair.
Royal Brunei used the F100 while in their fleet (for a brief period only) on both short and medium range sectors in S.E Asia. I saw the a/c in BKK on one occasion and both SIN and KUL a number of times.
I guess BBK would be a good 3 hours in nil wind/weather conditions from BWN.
There are 62 F100 aircraft currently on the used aircraft market.
This figure does not include the 74 AA F100 fleet.
It now appears the AA F100's are to be retired as they fall due for heavy maintenance over the next few years. I would think that most of these aircraft would then be parted out or scrapped.
For Apacau:
I think the F100 had a nominal nil wind range of 1500nm with the standard Tay 620 engine. Forgetting about ETOPS considerations a trans tasman scheduled service would be very marginal in my opinion. Add the possiblity of an engine shutdown and or depressurisation into a headwind and it could be very marginal.
From memory I think the aircraft is certified for up to 109 pax. With full tanks (I guess 10,500kgs) I think the a/c was good for approx. 88 adult pax with bags and nil freight.
No doubt a F100 driver will comment.
This figure does not include the 74 AA F100 fleet.
It now appears the AA F100's are to be retired as they fall due for heavy maintenance over the next few years. I would think that most of these aircraft would then be parted out or scrapped.
For Apacau:
I think the F100 had a nominal nil wind range of 1500nm with the standard Tay 620 engine. Forgetting about ETOPS considerations a trans tasman scheduled service would be very marginal in my opinion. Add the possiblity of an engine shutdown and or depressurisation into a headwind and it could be very marginal.
From memory I think the aircraft is certified for up to 109 pax. With full tanks (I guess 10,500kgs) I think the a/c was good for approx. 88 adult pax with bags and nil freight.
No doubt a F100 driver will comment.
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My apologies for not replying earlier.
My guess on the expense of operating the F100 is in the total investment conpared with the total return.
At the end of the day, you want some return on your investment. Where and how the investment is spent is unimportant.
My guess on the expense of operating the F100 is in the total investment conpared with the total return.
At the end of the day, you want some return on your investment. Where and how the investment is spent is unimportant.
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BIK, can't believe I'm sticking up for the 146, but, I reckon that more often than not, I complete my day's flying ( b/w 5 & 6 hrs)with no engineering support other than a daily inspection, refuelling supervision., and puting to bed.
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I think it comes down to utilisation. If you are only going to fly 2 or 3 hours per day then you would be better with the aeroplane with the low capital cost and you would be willing to accept the high cost per flying hour.
If you are going to fly a full airline schedule of 8+ hours per day then you need an aeroplane with a low cost per flying hour but would be willing to accept the high capital cost."
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I think you are falling into the trap of thinking Alliance is competing with airlines operating the 146.
The 146 is slow, cumbersome, maintenance intensive, suspect for health and safety. Basically a nasty little pommy aeroplane whoes time has past.
The F100 is a pleasure to fly, the pax love it and you had better believe that the Alliance beancounters have done their sums, both for the aeroplane and the company.
How many F100s do you see parked against the fence??? There is even a 146 shell in Townsville, not worth flying to the desert!
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Don't think there has been a Herc operated on RPT since 1989!!
Maybe that's what is getting up your nose.
Strange how the White Rat seems to be over-represented here.
Virgin is over-extended, Qantas are panicking about their costs.
"Nothing but blue skies from now on"
(a spell check on the above threw up "Mantas" for "Qantas". I thought more like a vulture, but maybe Microsoft have a point
I think it comes down to utilisation. If you are only going to fly 2 or 3 hours per day then you would be better with the aeroplane with the low capital cost and you would be willing to accept the high cost per flying hour.
If you are going to fly a full airline schedule of 8+ hours per day then you need an aeroplane with a low cost per flying hour but would be willing to accept the high capital cost."
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I think you are falling into the trap of thinking Alliance is competing with airlines operating the 146.
The 146 is slow, cumbersome, maintenance intensive, suspect for health and safety. Basically a nasty little pommy aeroplane whoes time has past.
The F100 is a pleasure to fly, the pax love it and you had better believe that the Alliance beancounters have done their sums, both for the aeroplane and the company.
How many F100s do you see parked against the fence??? There is even a 146 shell in Townsville, not worth flying to the desert!
Kanga 767
Don't think there has been a Herc operated on RPT since 1989!!
Maybe that's what is getting up your nose.
Strange how the White Rat seems to be over-represented here.
Virgin is over-extended, Qantas are panicking about their costs.
"Nothing but blue skies from now on"
(a spell check on the above threw up "Mantas" for "Qantas". I thought more like a vulture, but maybe Microsoft have a point
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Over the last few months the FWA F100's have been called in to replace the Airlink 146's many times.
AA is trying to reduce the number of aircraft types they have in the fleet, at one stage they had 14 types, the current plan is to reduce to 7 types.
The F100 is very popular with passengers, with the AA aircraft entering the market the price of the F100 will drop again, which means it's a good time for Alliance to purchase more.
The F100 could go head to head with the B717 on many routes and from a passengers point of view they couldn't tell that one aircraft is worth $25-30m US and the other $8m US, but the bean counters could.
When FWA purchsed the F100's they also purchased another F100 that had been damaged and used it for spares. They could so the same again, once again reducing the operating costs.
Just to finish off, yesterday at Rocky Qantaslink had a aircraft go US (20-30 pax booked to BNE). I believe Alliance made an offer to fly them back to BNE on the F100, but Qantas said no way and the passengers were stuck at Rocky for a few hours. So much for Qantas looking after their passengers, maybe they were affraid the pasengers would enjoy the F100 to much
AA is trying to reduce the number of aircraft types they have in the fleet, at one stage they had 14 types, the current plan is to reduce to 7 types.
The F100 is very popular with passengers, with the AA aircraft entering the market the price of the F100 will drop again, which means it's a good time for Alliance to purchase more.
The F100 could go head to head with the B717 on many routes and from a passengers point of view they couldn't tell that one aircraft is worth $25-30m US and the other $8m US, but the bean counters could.
When FWA purchsed the F100's they also purchased another F100 that had been damaged and used it for spares. They could so the same again, once again reducing the operating costs.
Just to finish off, yesterday at Rocky Qantaslink had a aircraft go US (20-30 pax booked to BNE). I believe Alliance made an offer to fly them back to BNE on the F100, but Qantas said no way and the passengers were stuck at Rocky for a few hours. So much for Qantas looking after their passengers, maybe they were affraid the pasengers would enjoy the F100 to much