Initial Twin and CIR
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Ok, please PLEASE do not turn this into an argument because all I want are opinions and views.
I was just after some information regarding aircraft types and or schools for the initial twin and CIR. I have looked around already, but decided to hear the views of others. But please don't go putting other schools down or giving people s#$% etc because the post will only end up being shut down and what's the point in that?
Any help would be muchly appreciated
I was just after some information regarding aircraft types and or schools for the initial twin and CIR. I have looked around already, but decided to hear the views of others. But please don't go putting other schools down or giving people s#$% etc because the post will only end up being shut down and what's the point in that?
Any help would be muchly appreciated
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If you acccept HIGH ALTITUDE's advice about a BARON/TRAVEL AIR endorsement, have a look at JOHNSTON AVIATION SERVICES at PMQ.
I had a great time there with some very good instructors. They also have a web site which gives prices etc.
I had a great time there with some very good instructors. They also have a web site which gives prices etc.
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Thanks for the replies so far.. Keep em coming!!
About JAS...I had a look there and it looks pretty good at the moment. Just a quick little thing...did you guys end up doing the 5 hours in the 182 and does it really matter? I wouldnt mind doing the whole lot in the Baron if it's possible but I guess some 182 time doesnt go astray.
Any more places of interest? I've had a look at some at YMMB and a few other places. Anyone done it through the O'Conners school in MTG?? Think it's done in a Part. but wouldnt mind a little more info.
About JAS...I had a look there and it looks pretty good at the moment. Just a quick little thing...did you guys end up doing the 5 hours in the 182 and does it really matter? I wouldnt mind doing the whole lot in the Baron if it's possible but I guess some 182 time doesnt go astray.
Any more places of interest? I've had a look at some at YMMB and a few other places. Anyone done it through the O'Conners school in MTG?? Think it's done in a Part. but wouldnt mind a little more info.
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I found the CIR course to be some of the hardest flying I have ever done. Most of the CIR students who I have spoken to have agreed on that.
The C182 is used for the first 2 nav exercises and an hours flight over the top at PMQ doing ADF work. You then get to move onto the Baron doing, I think from memory and without my logbook at hand, about 2.5 or 3.5 hours of multi-engine handling. Its then back into the IFR training.
Getting to grips with IFR is hard and I suggest that trying to do those first 2 nav exercises in an aircraft which is going like the clappers is putting an enormous load on yourself. It is better to do those couple of navs in something slower and more familiar, especially when I recall that one of those navs is from PMQ to TRE then KMP and back to PMQ. All short legs with a high workload.
By way of interest I struggled with my first navs in the Baron and it wasn't until the third or fourth that I started to get my thinking far enough ahead of the aircraft to be able to feel confident that I was going to be able to complete the course.
What this ramble is really saying is that trying to do the whole course in a Baron is not a good idea.
Best of luck with the course and you can look forward to a great sense of satisfaction on completion.
I found the CIR course to be some of the hardest flying I have ever done. Most of the CIR students who I have spoken to have agreed on that.
The C182 is used for the first 2 nav exercises and an hours flight over the top at PMQ doing ADF work. You then get to move onto the Baron doing, I think from memory and without my logbook at hand, about 2.5 or 3.5 hours of multi-engine handling. Its then back into the IFR training.
Getting to grips with IFR is hard and I suggest that trying to do those first 2 nav exercises in an aircraft which is going like the clappers is putting an enormous load on yourself. It is better to do those couple of navs in something slower and more familiar, especially when I recall that one of those navs is from PMQ to TRE then KMP and back to PMQ. All short legs with a high workload.
By way of interest I struggled with my first navs in the Baron and it wasn't until the third or fourth that I started to get my thinking far enough ahead of the aircraft to be able to feel confident that I was going to be able to complete the course.
What this ramble is really saying is that trying to do the whole course in a Baron is not a good idea.
Best of luck with the course and you can look forward to a great sense of satisfaction on completion.
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natit have to agree with howard hughes steve pierce at peter bini flying school at moorabin is the best, he is a careeer instructor with a magnitude of experience and knowledge to pass on.
His seminoles are best kept ga aircraft i have come across. I would not use anyone else for IFR training or initial multi.
His seminoles are best kept ga aircraft i have come across. I would not use anyone else for IFR training or initial multi.
Natit i'm with Plovett on this one, I did my course and doing the initial stuff on a slower single is certainly done for a pretty good reason. You do about 5 hours which after doing all the sim work is a good introduction to the procedures without having to worry about the handling of the aircraft.
After the single time if you aren't already Baron endorsed usually 2 odd hours are spent on general handling etc before launching into the nav's. Basically ballpark on about 15 odd hours in the Baron, 5 in the 182, of course depends on your own skills and ability.
After the single time if you aren't already Baron endorsed usually 2 odd hours are spent on general handling etc before launching into the nav's. Basically ballpark on about 15 odd hours in the Baron, 5 in the 182, of course depends on your own skills and ability.
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Would have to agree with everything said about JAS so far and the 5 hours initially in the C182 makes it alot easier if you allready have Cessna hours as you can concentrate on the instrument. Also with one of the first navs having three legs of 40nm each it really does show the workload involved. One of your last flights in the Baron is the same nav and it really does show how far you have come.
Social aspect of JAS is also exceptional! No other flying school i know houses there students, included in the cost, and then joins them for tea, at the pub, for a BBQ or a game of cricket on the beach. Owner included!!
3 1/2 weeks from go to woe flying normally twice a day in the C182 and at least once there after a day in the Baron. Does depend on how many other MECIR students are there thou, which i was lucky being the only one on the Baron for about two weeks!
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Would have to agree with everything said about JAS so far and the 5 hours initially in the C182 makes it alot easier if you allready have Cessna hours as you can concentrate on the instrument. Also with one of the first navs having three legs of 40nm each it really does show the workload involved. One of your last flights in the Baron is the same nav and it really does show how far you have come.
Social aspect of JAS is also exceptional! No other flying school i know houses there students, included in the cost, and then joins them for tea, at the pub, for a BBQ or a game of cricket on the beach. Owner included!!
3 1/2 weeks from go to woe flying normally twice a day in the C182 and at least once there after a day in the Baron. Does depend on how many other MECIR students are there thou, which i was lucky being the only one on the Baron for about two weeks!
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Have to agree with the other guys about Bini's at MB being one of the best in the country. Where ever you go don't search for the best price rather look for the best quality.
I have done a renewal at Ad Astral in Perth and they are pretty good too.
I have done a renewal at Ad Astral in Perth and they are pretty good too.
Thoroughly endorse all those who recommend Steve Pearce of Peter Bini's Moorabbin. Probably the best instructor that I have ever had the pleasure to fly with. He will bring skills out in you that you never thought you had.
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Hey All,
Thanks for the replies so far.
Does anyone have a internet site or any contact details for the Peter Bini Flying School. I have searched everywhere.
Thanks
Thanks for the replies so far.
Does anyone have a internet site or any contact details for the Peter Bini Flying School. I have searched everywhere.
Thanks
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Just another quick question....
Has anyone been through the CIR at Tony Kingham's Flying School out of Adelaide? If so, what did you think (aircraft, instructors etc)
I also had a quick look at O'Conners Flying School in MTG. Any ideas?
Although looking at other schools and my options, I will probably end up flying to PMQ in the end. Just want to keep my options open and look at a few others. I probably wont do it till late August anyway.
Has anyone been through the CIR at Tony Kingham's Flying School out of Adelaide? If so, what did you think (aircraft, instructors etc)
I also had a quick look at O'Conners Flying School in MTG. Any ideas?
Although looking at other schools and my options, I will probably end up flying to PMQ in the end. Just want to keep my options open and look at a few others. I probably wont do it till late August anyway.
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Peter Bini - VERY good and I did the initial part of the training with Peter Bishop and the flight test with Steve pearce as i only gave them about 2 weeks notice that i needed to do it ASAP. Very accommodating, highly organised, friendly, excellent training etc etc etc.
Twin
PS - the advice earlier about not just going for the cheapest price is very important. PB wasnt the cheapest but wasnt the most expensive either.
Twin
PS - the advice earlier about not just going for the cheapest price is very important. PB wasnt the cheapest but wasnt the most expensive either.
Can certainly recomend Johnston Aviation in Pt Maquarie.
All the instructors know their stuff and the 55 Baron in a pearler, very good value for money...
Bruce Hartwig is no longer at Hartwigs, if you do your rating there it will cost you!
All the instructors know their stuff and the 55 Baron in a pearler, very good value for money...
Bruce Hartwig is no longer at Hartwigs, if you do your rating there it will cost you!
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Natit,
Try these details, a bit old, but should still be okay.
Peter Bini Advanced Flight Training
Phone: (03)9580-5295
Email: [email protected]
Good luck and happy flying.
Cheers, HH.
Try these details, a bit old, but should still be okay.
Peter Bini Advanced Flight Training
Phone: (03)9580-5295
Email: [email protected]
Good luck and happy flying.
Cheers, HH.
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Steve Pearce is a legend.
Wouldn't do an Intial or CIR anywhere else!
Natit I think you have found your school! I know you will be glad with Steve. One of GA's last standing heroes and a credit to the industry!
So much to gain from one amazing man!
Wouldn't do an Intial or CIR anywhere else!
Natit I think you have found your school! I know you will be glad with Steve. One of GA's last standing heroes and a credit to the industry!
So much to gain from one amazing man!
