Ansett staff hit with bills
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Buster Hyman as an ex Ansett employee you have summed up in my opinion perfectly the internal attributes that aided to the demise of Ansett.Those comments were so repetitive in all deparments(and there were hundreds) in the day to day operation of the airline.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Good examples, Buster, however I'll BET there are at least 100 other companies where workers apply the same work "ethics"!
Compared to Asia, Australia does employ LESS workers for the same work, thereby resulting in a lower total wages bill for the company, but by the same token making fewer people responsible results in greater authority and responsibility being given to them.
Perhaps, cabin secure, one of the reasons F/A's may have been so willing to take leave was because of the high salaries they received. In the company where I presently work, F/A's are paid by the hour ONLY for the actual duration of the flight(s) on which they work. As a result I often see girls (there are no males) who have a cold reporting for work, which p!sses me off for a couple of reasons (a) because they place themselves at risk of serious ear damage, (b) they now present a probale risk of spreading their germs to ALL other crew members (and pax) with whom they are working. Additionally, they usually tell me that they ARE sick, and ask if I would limit the altitude at which we fly. As much as I feel I should send them home, I realise that to do so would deprive them of their (much needed) income.
So IS there a better system that won't be abused?
Perhaps a lot of employees were also guided by the examples set by past (and present) management, where the signal came loud and clear that it was "Okay" to rort the company for all it was worth.
How about THAT, M&M's!!??
Compared to Asia, Australia does employ LESS workers for the same work, thereby resulting in a lower total wages bill for the company, but by the same token making fewer people responsible results in greater authority and responsibility being given to them.
Perhaps, cabin secure, one of the reasons F/A's may have been so willing to take leave was because of the high salaries they received. In the company where I presently work, F/A's are paid by the hour ONLY for the actual duration of the flight(s) on which they work. As a result I often see girls (there are no males) who have a cold reporting for work, which p!sses me off for a couple of reasons (a) because they place themselves at risk of serious ear damage, (b) they now present a probale risk of spreading their germs to ALL other crew members (and pax) with whom they are working. Additionally, they usually tell me that they ARE sick, and ask if I would limit the altitude at which we fly. As much as I feel I should send them home, I realise that to do so would deprive them of their (much needed) income.
So IS there a better system that won't be abused?
Perhaps a lot of employees were also guided by the examples set by past (and present) management, where the signal came loud and clear that it was "Okay" to rort the company for all it was worth.
How about THAT, M&M's!!??
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Employees as shareholders
Kaptain M - perhaps the only solution is to have employees who are shareholders and reap the benefits of their labour and don't turn a blind eye to the rorts of fellow employees.
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If the Jo Sommerville mentioned in the press article is the "Jo" I had the misfortune to be assigned to on a MEL-SYD flight last year, I can only say "it could not happen to a nicer person".
Having been subjected to your disgusting attitude (remember: can't move your ass to hang up a passenger's jacket you did not want to see hanging from the garment hook on the back of the seat in front of me...?) I had to say that AN's demise did not come as a surprise to me.
Having been subjected to your disgusting attitude (remember: can't move your ass to hang up a passenger's jacket you did not want to see hanging from the garment hook on the back of the seat in front of me...?) I had to say that AN's demise did not come as a surprise to me.
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okay, fans, I'm back. Sorry about the name change.
Yes you're all quite correct, FAs do have the worst sick leave record by far but my own isn't far behind. I find sitting in the back seat the perfect place to be if I do have to "work" but why turn up at all???
"Working" 10 days a month is to blame for my lack of enthusiasm and it's no wonder I call in pis.sed as often as I do. Too many hosties parties to attend and I usually prefer a day or two afterward to recover and think about my moves.
Milk that cash cow everybody.... there's plenty to go round, stop worrying about it.
Yes you're all quite correct, FAs do have the worst sick leave record by far but my own isn't far behind. I find sitting in the back seat the perfect place to be if I do have to "work" but why turn up at all???
"Working" 10 days a month is to blame for my lack of enthusiasm and it's no wonder I call in pis.sed as often as I do. Too many hosties parties to attend and I usually prefer a day or two afterward to recover and think about my moves.
Milk that cash cow everybody.... there's plenty to go round, stop worrying about it.
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The Airline did not go broke because of F/A's abusing sick leave! It went broke because of the totally incompetent management!
Most of them have now returned to the fruit and vegie section at Woolies. (no offence to people working at Woolies, but I am sure you know what I mean, you put up with these idiot's for years)
It has been alleged many times that Ansett was milked for years by the "Fatman" and Rupert" Just ask "Bob"
p.s. How many times do we have to repeat that no Airline has gone broke because of overpaid Pilots
(I think we should get paid more since Sept 11th, not less)
Danger Money!!!
Most of them have now returned to the fruit and vegie section at Woolies. (no offence to people working at Woolies, but I am sure you know what I mean, you put up with these idiot's for years)
It has been alleged many times that Ansett was milked for years by the "Fatman" and Rupert" Just ask "Bob"
p.s. How many times do we have to repeat that no Airline has gone broke because of overpaid Pilots
(I think we should get paid more since Sept 11th, not less)
Danger Money!!!
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
For sure it WAS, Capt Z!
It was those 3 who PROMOTED the "Greed is Good" creed, by their own actions, and by the tactics they employed during "that" industrial dispute.
They demonstrated that asset-rich companies - as Ansett was when they wrested control of it from Sir Reginald - were ripe for the picking. And so, many of the staff followed the example set by their superiors, and took what they saw as "their turn" (this was in fact a term used by an ex-CAA examiner who told me it was his "turn", in 1989!).
Anyway, pay to Caesar what is his, otherwise you're only prolonging the employment of the M&M's - at HOW much per week??!!
It was those 3 who PROMOTED the "Greed is Good" creed, by their own actions, and by the tactics they employed during "that" industrial dispute.
They demonstrated that asset-rich companies - as Ansett was when they wrested control of it from Sir Reginald - were ripe for the picking. And so, many of the staff followed the example set by their superiors, and took what they saw as "their turn" (this was in fact a term used by an ex-CAA examiner who told me it was his "turn", in 1989!).
Anyway, pay to Caesar what is his, otherwise you're only prolonging the employment of the M&M's - at HOW much per week??!!
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Capt Zoolander.
The theory of danger money works well except there is no safe profession when terrorism is at large. I wouldn't want to be an Israeli bus driver at the moment or even an office worker in a rather tall tower (say) for example...
The theory of danger money works well except there is no safe profession when terrorism is at large. I wouldn't want to be an Israeli bus driver at the moment or even an office worker in a rather tall tower (say) for example...
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Theo, going on the track record of that bus driver in the ME, I would not want to be a bus driver in that area unless I was being paid big bucks.
When I started flying nearly 30 years ago, if you died in a prang it was probably your fault.
Times have changed.
The beach looks better everyday!
When I started flying nearly 30 years ago, if you died in a prang it was probably your fault.
Times have changed.
The beach looks better everyday!
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G'burg.
The 30% wasn't a problem for the companies. In AN & TN, it was the 47% which made them hurt a bit, and guess who proposed THAT hike - Yep! - old Fattie, with his nodding GM ,aided and abetted by - the Silver Bodgie, and old Mealy Mouth (ACTU Sec.), not forgetting Mumbles - now transport shadow something. Even then, that didn't kill AN off. And we all know what did.
The 30% wasn't a problem for the companies. In AN & TN, it was the 47% which made them hurt a bit, and guess who proposed THAT hike - Yep! - old Fattie, with his nodding GM ,aided and abetted by - the Silver Bodgie, and old Mealy Mouth (ACTU Sec.), not forgetting Mumbles - now transport shadow something. Even then, that didn't kill AN off. And we all know what did.
