Looking for work overseas (US & Canada)
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Yeah there's about 2000 US Air pilots about to get injected into the unemployment queue and they've got arrangements to get picked up by the regionals if they want the pay cut, so I don't see things improving for anybody looking to get any sort of airline job. other than that Southwest is employing if you have 1000 turbine. but currently I have friends in GA flying 172's with CRJ time. It just ain't good at the moment pal.
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Thanks for all your help guys.
I think I might put my plans on hold for the present.
Anyway thanks to everyone that posted a reply. All you people at PPRune are truely great people.
Cheers
I think I might put my plans on hold for the present.
Anyway thanks to everyone that posted a reply. All you people at PPRune are truely great people.
Cheers
Fellas,
Although its been a few years since I last lived in OZ, I'm an Australian working at FlightSafety in Vero Beach, Fl. Here's a few things to think about before coming to the US right now.
Firstly, unless you have an American wife, your chances of getting a Green Card are pretty much non-existant. And even then, you're going to have to wait 12 months to get your hands on it. That's what it's just taken me.
Secondly, Don't expect any American company to "Sponsor" you for either a work permit or Green card. It is a complete nightmare and simply not worth the trouble or expense No Green Card, No Airline job, simple . As a foreign pilot without a green card, the only Visas you can apply for are either the J1 or H1B. The J1 is a student visa which you can't apply for unless you only have a PPL and is only valid for 24 months. then it expires and you have to leave. the H1B is valid for 3 years. but to get one is simply not worth the headache. To get it you have to prove there aren't any Americans to do that job. I think most would realise that pilots are not in short supply over here at the moment. Even if you did prove it, there's something called a "prevailing wage". which is what the State dept thinks your employer should pay you to do that job. Right now in Florida it's $40/hour for a flight instructor, which is simply never going to happen.
Now assuming you do have Green Card, you're still F@!#ed. This is because a little known law was passed back in November that stopped the training of any non-US pilot on any aircraft over 12,500lbs. In Feburary, the powers that be made the concession that you could train in something over 12,500, IF you were already current and qualified on an a/c over 12,500. Otherwise you have to go through a security check by the Dept of Justice. And it's not going to be in place for another 6 months. Right now, I should've started CRJ training with a United Express carrier 3 weeks ago, instead I'm sitting around hoping that someone will see the light of day and sort this out.
The bottom line is this. The US is not an easy country to move to unless you have immediate relatives that have the passport or green card. Even then, unless it's your spouse its going to take at least a year. In fact I'm pretty sure you'd have a better chance if you got on a flight to Cuba, took out citizenship and then got on a raft to Florida. Then they'd welcome you with open arms!!
Although its been a few years since I last lived in OZ, I'm an Australian working at FlightSafety in Vero Beach, Fl. Here's a few things to think about before coming to the US right now.
Firstly, unless you have an American wife, your chances of getting a Green Card are pretty much non-existant. And even then, you're going to have to wait 12 months to get your hands on it. That's what it's just taken me.
Secondly, Don't expect any American company to "Sponsor" you for either a work permit or Green card. It is a complete nightmare and simply not worth the trouble or expense No Green Card, No Airline job, simple . As a foreign pilot without a green card, the only Visas you can apply for are either the J1 or H1B. The J1 is a student visa which you can't apply for unless you only have a PPL and is only valid for 24 months. then it expires and you have to leave. the H1B is valid for 3 years. but to get one is simply not worth the headache. To get it you have to prove there aren't any Americans to do that job. I think most would realise that pilots are not in short supply over here at the moment. Even if you did prove it, there's something called a "prevailing wage". which is what the State dept thinks your employer should pay you to do that job. Right now in Florida it's $40/hour for a flight instructor, which is simply never going to happen.
Now assuming you do have Green Card, you're still F@!#ed. This is because a little known law was passed back in November that stopped the training of any non-US pilot on any aircraft over 12,500lbs. In Feburary, the powers that be made the concession that you could train in something over 12,500, IF you were already current and qualified on an a/c over 12,500. Otherwise you have to go through a security check by the Dept of Justice. And it's not going to be in place for another 6 months. Right now, I should've started CRJ training with a United Express carrier 3 weeks ago, instead I'm sitting around hoping that someone will see the light of day and sort this out.
The bottom line is this. The US is not an easy country to move to unless you have immediate relatives that have the passport or green card. Even then, unless it's your spouse its going to take at least a year. In fact I'm pretty sure you'd have a better chance if you got on a flight to Cuba, took out citizenship and then got on a raft to Florida. Then they'd welcome you with open arms!!
Last edited by Kenny; 22nd Jun 2002 at 17:16.
Try this.........
BIK,
Log onto www.flightsafety.com and then click on the "Security Requirements" icon.
Although, this has changed over the last week and even if you are covered by the Febuary amendment, you'll still have to go through a security check albeit "Expedited".
There is one small problem with the exemption for "Foreign nationals who are current and qualified as pilot in
command, second in command, or flight engineer with respective
certificates and ratings recognized by the United States for aircraft
with a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or more". And that is that the FAA, as far as I know, don't recognise any foreign type ratings.
As far as becoming Cuban is concerned, I'm sure a large contribution to Fidel's Scotch fund is worth a try.
Log onto www.flightsafety.com and then click on the "Security Requirements" icon.
Although, this has changed over the last week and even if you are covered by the Febuary amendment, you'll still have to go through a security check albeit "Expedited".
There is one small problem with the exemption for "Foreign nationals who are current and qualified as pilot in
command, second in command, or flight engineer with respective
certificates and ratings recognized by the United States for aircraft
with a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or more". And that is that the FAA, as far as I know, don't recognise any foreign type ratings.
As far as becoming Cuban is concerned, I'm sure a large contribution to Fidel's Scotch fund is worth a try.
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i'll flip this topic around and ask how hard is it for a Candian to get work in Aus? I have my Comm,Multi-IFR and am debating to get a PPC on a 208, Navajo or Islander right now to make myself more competetive. Is it as hard to get jobs in Aus right now because it's a bitch in Canada! Also how does one go about converting licenses? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
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BIK - sorry to have picked up on this one so late.
The US Code of Federal Regulations you seek (28 CFR Part 105 ) is most easily found at the FAA International Website. Title 28 deals with Judicial Administration (Title 14 incidently is all the FARs and all things FAA) and all these new restrictions have come out of the Department of Justice not the Federal Aviation Administration. Part 105.09 to 105.12 (Interim Final Rule wef 14 JUN 02) deals with the "Screening of aliens and other designated individuals seeking flight training" for, what is effectively interpreted as, professional pilots. If you are not a professional pilot (no 5700kg type rating, not Government, not Military) then you will fall under Section 13 (& 14) which at this stage are only Proposed Rules, but are published at the end of the above document for public comment so you can get an idea of what you're in for. Date of implementation ... who knows ... no earlier than mid-August, more likely next year - has to pass through US Congress.
PS. I should clarify - this is all for training in a/c 12500lbs (5700kg) or greater - NOT below. There is nothing for "lighties" that I am aware of ... yet ...
This appears to be having some pretty significant repercussions at the moment - just became aware of a large group of pilots (90 odd) twiddling their thumbs in Seattle because Boeing (FSI?) cannot proceed on their type training. Presumeably these guys are awaiting clearances which can take up to 30 days, or for 45 days to elapse to commence training anyway. 25 simulators in the building - only one or so flying at any given time ... Ouch!
What about the rest of the country...
The US Code of Federal Regulations you seek (28 CFR Part 105 ) is most easily found at the FAA International Website. Title 28 deals with Judicial Administration (Title 14 incidently is all the FARs and all things FAA) and all these new restrictions have come out of the Department of Justice not the Federal Aviation Administration. Part 105.09 to 105.12 (Interim Final Rule wef 14 JUN 02) deals with the "Screening of aliens and other designated individuals seeking flight training" for, what is effectively interpreted as, professional pilots. If you are not a professional pilot (no 5700kg type rating, not Government, not Military) then you will fall under Section 13 (& 14) which at this stage are only Proposed Rules, but are published at the end of the above document for public comment so you can get an idea of what you're in for. Date of implementation ... who knows ... no earlier than mid-August, more likely next year - has to pass through US Congress.
PS. I should clarify - this is all for training in a/c 12500lbs (5700kg) or greater - NOT below. There is nothing for "lighties" that I am aware of ... yet ...
This appears to be having some pretty significant repercussions at the moment - just became aware of a large group of pilots (90 odd) twiddling their thumbs in Seattle because Boeing (FSI?) cannot proceed on their type training. Presumeably these guys are awaiting clearances which can take up to 30 days, or for 45 days to elapse to commence training anyway. 25 simulators in the building - only one or so flying at any given time ... Ouch!
What about the rest of the country...
Last edited by Cross Check; 4th Jul 2002 at 20:58.
