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ATPL Flight Planning
Trying to crack the ATPL Flight Planning exam.
I am thinking of doing Len Sales course at YSBK with the UNSW and I am after some info.
Just wondering what Len,s course is like.
Is it a well constructed course i.e well presented for easy understanding and what is the approx cost.
Would appreciate any comments on the above course.
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Ash767
ATPL Flight Planning
I am thinking of doing Len Sales course at YSBK with the UNSW and I am after some info.
Just wondering what Len,s course is like.
Is it a well constructed course i.e well presented for easy understanding and what is the approx cost.
Would appreciate any comments on the above course.
Thanks
Ash767
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what about AFT?
HI Ash767,
Is there any reason why you're going for the Len Sales course? I haven't heard anything about his but recently heard that Advanced Flight Theory's flight planning at Maroochydore is pretty poor, too. ie. only gives basics, doesn't cover the topic in enough depth so it's near impossible to figure out the more difficult questions. Do you have any details on Len Sales course? I'd be interested to hear if there are any other decent flight planning courses around, too. Regards, Silicone.
Is there any reason why you're going for the Len Sales course? I haven't heard anything about his but recently heard that Advanced Flight Theory's flight planning at Maroochydore is pretty poor, too. ie. only gives basics, doesn't cover the topic in enough depth so it's near impossible to figure out the more difficult questions. Do you have any details on Len Sales course? I'd be interested to hear if there are any other decent flight planning courses around, too. Regards, Silicone.
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Both Len Sales and Nathan Higgans (AFT) teach flt planning the same way. "Not enough depth" what a load of bollocks. It's entirely the students fault if the topic isn't studied and understood in enough depth. What do you think they can teach you in such a short amount of time. It's up to you how in depth you want to go. If you want to pass the exam it's a matter of picking the teacher that teaches the best method for you.
Len and Nathan both teach through a standard flt plan method which involves alot of calculation and less rule of thumb than say, Rob Avery. I did both and for me Rob Avery worked well after doing Nathans course. I found after failing once that Robs course was better for me due rules of thumb and less room for error due too many calculations with the other methods. However I know alot of people that have passed in the high 90's on both courses.
Nathans course was fantastic but I can also vouch for Averys flt planning, even in correspondence.
Len and Nathan both teach through a standard flt plan method which involves alot of calculation and less rule of thumb than say, Rob Avery. I did both and for me Rob Avery worked well after doing Nathans course. I found after failing once that Robs course was better for me due rules of thumb and less room for error due too many calculations with the other methods. However I know alot of people that have passed in the high 90's on both courses.
Nathans course was fantastic but I can also vouch for Averys flt planning, even in correspondence.
I've given Len a big wrap on here before, and I'm not afraid to do it again!
Len made flight planning understandable by using a methodical and accurate technique - he also made it bloody enjoyable by throwing in a few good stories along the way.
He made mention that some other ATPL theory providers encouraged you to work backwards from the answers given. Not a great technique, perfectly summed up by his call that "...you won't have 4 answers magically appear on the windscreen when the skipper asks you to work out a DP PNR halfway across the Pacfic!"
Give Len "Good enough for government work" Sales a call on (02) 9791 3047 and enjoy your time with him.
Cheers,
TL
Len made flight planning understandable by using a methodical and accurate technique - he also made it bloody enjoyable by throwing in a few good stories along the way.
He made mention that some other ATPL theory providers encouraged you to work backwards from the answers given. Not a great technique, perfectly summed up by his call that "...you won't have 4 answers magically appear on the windscreen when the skipper asks you to work out a DP PNR halfway across the Pacfic!"
Give Len "Good enough for government work" Sales a call on (02) 9791 3047 and enjoy your time with him.
Cheers,
TL
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Thanks Transition Layer for Lens number I will call Len and have a chat.
Silicone, I am writting in defence of Nathan Higgins. I have done his course and found it to be a very professional and well run course. I am thinking of doing Len's course as I believe that I need another slant on the subject and he may fill in the small gaps and explain things in a slighty different manner. I have heard his name mentioned before in a positive light regarding FP.
Shaablam I agree with you comment about "its the students fault" if they do not get through the subject as this is quite possible but I can tell you that I have put in truckloads of work for this #%$!*& subject and missed out by a wisker each time.
No trouble with the other subjects though.
Regards to all
Ash767
Silicone, I am writting in defence of Nathan Higgins. I have done his course and found it to be a very professional and well run course. I am thinking of doing Len's course as I believe that I need another slant on the subject and he may fill in the small gaps and explain things in a slighty different manner. I have heard his name mentioned before in a positive light regarding FP.
Shaablam I agree with you comment about "its the students fault" if they do not get through the subject as this is quite possible but I can tell you that I have put in truckloads of work for this #%$!*& subject and missed out by a wisker each time.
No trouble with the other subjects though.
Regards to all
Ash767
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Len's the go.
With Len all you need is a sharp pencil and a sense of adventure while you have a quiet shoofty at the notes. yep, it's good enough for government work.
I can't recommend him enough. Knows the subject very well and if you listen to him and do the work you should pass.
I can't recommend him enough. Knows the subject very well and if you listen to him and do the work you should pass.
Nah mate, red block in these parts...it must be a fancy beer coz they "Export" it.
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Ash,
I did one of Len's courses last year and would highly recommend him, he really knows the subjects well, provides excellent ways of answering questions, has loads of practise questions (which strangly are almost identical to the real ones!) and will do anything he can to help you out.
I did one of Len's courses last year and would highly recommend him, he really knows the subjects well, provides excellent ways of answering questions, has loads of practise questions (which strangly are almost identical to the real ones!) and will do anything he can to help you out.
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Don't waste your money. if you've done Nathan's course, (& failed?) then go back and do it again, I think he sticks with you until you pass, no extra $.
If all you want is a different angle, again, don't waste your money. Just get the tick in the box and forget about it. That is unless you have landed a job flying a 727 in Australia which also includes manually planning all flights? Yeah right.
Don't waste your money. if you've done Nathan's course, (& failed?) then go back and do it again, I think he sticks with you until you pass, no extra $.
If all you want is a different angle, again, don't waste your money. Just get the tick in the box and forget about it. That is unless you have landed a job flying a 727 in Australia which also includes manually planning all flights? Yeah right.
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Yeah, I would have to agree with Yardglass. I did the AFT course through the WA Aviation Academy and had no troubles. All you need to know to pass is in his course so if you can keep doing it with him (for no additional cost) you will get there. I got 97% first time so i can only sing it praises!
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Try the Val Dyson Holland one. Its in Coffs. They seem to have a great success rate. Reasonably priced, and really know their stuff. I found them to be fantastic with IREX, and have no second thoughts about doing ATPL's with them. Tried a few ATPL's on Nathan Higgins self study, but didn't allow myself enough time and ended up confusing myself. Didnt do too badly, but well?? Either way, they (VDH) are fantastic at teaching it, have all the know how, and are up to the minute with everything.
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I have used Nathans notes for all my ATPL's at the moment and have also done his course. Very Very good, professional and goes into subjects in significant depth - more than enough to pass the exam.
As for YardGlass's comments - couldn't agree more!!! If you land a job on a 727 and have to manually do your flight plans then good luck to you. As you are more likely to get a job on a COMPLETELY different type of aircraft then dont worry about it. Get another tick in your theory box, take note of the formula's and the general theory behind FP, but realise that you will most likely not fly the 727 and even if you do, the course is designed to get you through the exam - NOT teach you how to fly the bloody thing!!!
Go with Nathans course thats all I'll say. I've never heard a bad word from people I know who have done his course and no one has ever had a serious problem with passing the exams. Nothing that pulling your thumb out won't fix anyway!
Thats my two bobs worth - go with AFT (practice exams are surprisingly accurate). On the other hand I havent doen any other course and therefore cant say anything good OR bad about them. I've done AFT's, havent had a problem, he'll stick with you for no extra cost if you dont pass and he knows what he is on about.
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As for YardGlass's comments - couldn't agree more!!! If you land a job on a 727 and have to manually do your flight plans then good luck to you. As you are more likely to get a job on a COMPLETELY different type of aircraft then dont worry about it. Get another tick in your theory box, take note of the formula's and the general theory behind FP, but realise that you will most likely not fly the 727 and even if you do, the course is designed to get you through the exam - NOT teach you how to fly the bloody thing!!!
Go with Nathans course thats all I'll say. I've never heard a bad word from people I know who have done his course and no one has ever had a serious problem with passing the exams. Nothing that pulling your thumb out won't fix anyway!
Thats my two bobs worth - go with AFT (practice exams are surprisingly accurate). On the other hand I havent doen any other course and therefore cant say anything good OR bad about them. I've done AFT's, havent had a problem, he'll stick with you for no extra cost if you dont pass and he knows what he is on about.
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G'day all,
I too used Nathan's notes for all of my subjects, and found them to be excellent. I did all of mine by correspondence, including FP, and found them to be easy to understand, and the 1800 number excellent when it came to problem questions. Nathan always returned my call and answered any queries that I had about the theory or practice exam questions.
Took two goes at NAV (my own fault for not studying enough), but studied hard with just his notes and got through FP first go with a pass mark of 92%.
Anyway, hope that is of some use.
Cheers
Booka
I too used Nathan's notes for all of my subjects, and found them to be excellent. I did all of mine by correspondence, including FP, and found them to be easy to understand, and the 1800 number excellent when it came to problem questions. Nathan always returned my call and answered any queries that I had about the theory or practice exam questions.
Took two goes at NAV (my own fault for not studying enough), but studied hard with just his notes and got through FP first go with a pass mark of 92%.
Anyway, hope that is of some use.
Cheers
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Would also recommend DH Flight Theory Centre in Coffs Harbour. Email me if you want contact details.
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