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Does anyone remember there was an awesome thread which described in detail the aptitude testing procedures for Qantas. The thread was saved due to its usefullness to Ppruners.
I have just gone to have a look at the thread, only to find its no longer there since the servers were changed.
Does anyone know if its been saved somewhere??
(If its any help this was the old link to the thread).
http://www.pprune.org/cgibin/ultimat...&f=72&t=000005
I have just gone to have a look at the thread, only to find its no longer there since the servers were changed.
Does anyone know if its been saved somewhere??
(If its any help this was the old link to the thread).
http://www.pprune.org/cgibin/ultimat...&f=72&t=000005
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HPSOV, you are in luck, i've had this file lying around for a while, hope it's what you're after.
Qantas Recruitment
The idea of this article is to tell people what to expect during the Qantas recruitment process. It makes no attempt to provide any answers to any questions, it is merely a guide to know what to expect for your testing, therefore allowing you to know what is in store for you, so you can relax and hopefully perform better. Much of this information is based around what people have experienced in late 2000/early 2001. Things were different in the past, and things are likely to be different again in the future.BE WARNED!
All the testing is done at the QANTAS centre at Mascot Sydney. ALL transport and accommodation is at your expense. Recommended accommodation is at the IBIS hotel - $95 a night and it's a good 4 minutes walk to QCC3 where the interviews are held, and about 10 mintues walk from the simulator room. You will most likely meet several other QF aspirants there. A courtesy bus runs from the terminal to the door (about a 5 minute trip).
The format for the selection process is as follows:
I.Submit application form (available from the Qantas website)
II.Stage One - Skills Testing
III.Stage Two - Sim Ride and Final Interview
IV.Medical
V.Reference Checks and Paperwork
This entire process will take a minimum of 5 weeks, and up to a couple of years. There is no accurate timeframe. The following timeframes are rough and based on QF's aims, and as such there are always exceptions to the following timeframes.
After Stage One: If successful a phone call within a week inviting you to the simride and final interview (Stage Two) conducted on consecutive days. If unsuccessful a letter within 2 weeks.
After Stage Two: If unsuccessful a letter within 2-3 weeks. If immediately successful a phone call anywhwere from next day to a week or two inviting you down for your medical, but also "no news is good news" (QF's words). Many people are waiting for over 3-4 months without hearing either way.
The procedure involving the infamous hold file is being abolished according to sources within QF recruiting. The hold file was a procedure whereby successful candiates who had completed every stage including their medical, were given a total score according to how they performed in every stage of their
recruitment process. This meant that everyone had a score. When say 20 pilots were required, the top 20 scores were thus employed. It could be convceivable that one could never make that top say 20. If that
was the case and no job had been offered in 6 months, the file was then brought before the review board for further reassessment - that is you are invited to reapply, or given a "thank you for your interest in our airline, unfortunately..." letter.
STAGE 1
You arrive at QCC3 building and join a couple of others for testing. Usually it takes a half day - a morning session or an afternoon session. Things are very relaxed and friendly. At some stage you will be given a
brief by Robyn Hind, this might be before your testing or after, depending on whether you are for the morning or afternoon session. She just wants to update your paperwork, make sure you have current ratings (eg your instrument rating might have been renewed since you sent in your application). Have an
updated copy of your resume, CASA flight crew qualifications sheet and any other relevant paperwork. She will explain the requirement to now have a current Dangerous Goods certificate by the time you are employed. If you have one give it to her now to photocopy.
You are then told to go downstairs to pay your $165 for the psych test and get a receipt for it.
It then starts with 2 simple computer games (aka skills testing).
The first has a simple left and right joystick that moves a red dot left and right across the screen. From the top of the screen there is a stream of dots coming down in a wavy line. The idea is to make the red dots
touch all of the dots coming down. The computer beeps when you connect on a dot. It is easy when the columns are straight, and harder when the columns are curved. Sometimes the stream will bifurcate, and it is usually easier and more productive to follow the straighter branch even if the dots are spaced slightly further apart than to try and catch all the bending ones. You have 3 turns at this.
The second is a standard ball in the centre trick. You have a joystick that moves the ball up and down, and a rudder style foot bar moving the ball left and right. The red ball moves randomly and your job is to keep it in the middle. Pulling back on the joystick sends the ball up and pushing sends it down. Some people reverse the joystick to make it more like a computer game. Personal preference should dictate this. Again
you have 3 turns at this.
Follows are 2 timed sessions of aircraft IF skill recognition. They are timed, however move steadily but do not rush and you should have a couple of minutes to spare.
The first gives you an instrument panel with the standard instrument panel. It runs through instructions beforehand which are fairly standard EXCEPT for the T&B coordinator, which is a 2 bar type…the lower
showing the angle of bank and the upper showing the balance. This is significantly different to GA style T&B coordinators. In your introduction WRITE down on your piece of jotting paper the instrument indications
(shown to you) for a steep balanced turn, steep turn skidding, and steep turn slipping. Label each one and refer to it during your exercise. Introduction time is not timed…use this to your advantage.
The trick in the first one is to use your multi choice skills to eliminate answers! Look at the ASI…it gives an unambiguous explicit reading that is hard to get wrong. Now compare your answers, ruling out the ones
with wrong ASI readings. This usually leaves only 2 or 3 to deal with.
For example
1. The aircraft is heading north, in a slight left balanced turn, descending slightly, at 1950 feet at a speed of 185MPH.
2. The aircraft is heading east, in a steep right overbanked turn, descending rapidly, at 1940 feet at a speed of 180MPH.
3. The aircraft is heading north, in a slight left balanced turn, descending slightly, at 2940 feet at a speed of 180MPH.
4. The aircraft is heading south, in a slight left underbanked turn, descending slightly, at 940 feet at a speed of 170MPH.
5. The aircraft is heading north, in a slight left balanced turn, descending rapidly, at 1940 feet at a speed of 190MPH.
The easiest dial to read is the ASI…if it reads 180MPH answers 2 or 3 are correct, then go from there through the altimeter etc….There are 40 questions like this
The second part contains 75 questions. You are given instructions. Again in the untimed introduction DRAW the aeroplane and its direction. (Basically if the needle is 12:00 it is heading north, represented by a
rearwards profile; 6:00 heading south, represented by a front profile, 3:00 heading east, represented by a right side profile (nose to the right) etc). You are given an attitude indicator and the aforementioned
compass/direction indicator. You are given a choice of five aircraft all in different attitudes and directions.
Take care when choosing your answers, sometimes the number of the aircraft can be a bit confusing where it is located next to the picture.
The easiest way to do this is mimic the aircraft's attitude from the AH with your hand, then holding your hand in that attitude, rotate your hand so that your fingers are pointing in the direction of the arrow on the direction indicator and matching the resulting shape with one of the five answers.
Here endeth part one.
Part 2 is slightly more rigorous. The sections are pretty much all time critical. Not many people seem to finish this section ahead of time. You will be told that you were NOT penalised for wrong answers, but it
does say to avoid wild guessing. One of the supervisors when asked directly if it is worth randomly ticking answers to questions which you do not have time to finish, replied that that is worth doing as you are not
penalised for wrong answers.
It all begins with a verbal reasoning test (aka English comprehension). Some of the passages are quite difficult, and care will need to be taken. For each passage (about 10?) you are given 4 sentences each reflecting some part of the passage. You then have to choose whether each sentence is True, False or Can't Say relating to the paragraph. There are plenty of examples to practise on the web.
Then comes mathematical section. This deals mainly with ratios and comparisons: given several groups of figures, what ratio of column a to column be is the greatest in what year, or which company had the biggest
percentage increase over previous years' profits etc. You are given up to 10 answers to choose from.
There is also a timetable (shown incomplete) of flights between 2 cities, one on summer time one not. As this question is used repeatedly, it would be prudent to write out the timetable fully on your piece of paper
the first time you see it.
Then comes the "what comes next in the series" questions. Some of these are very difficult, some easier. Their standard seems to vary during the process of the test too, seeming to be hardest around the middle.
Again practice these - there are plenty that are widely available.
The next section are the cube questions. These spatial orentation exercises are quite demanding too. You are shown an unravelled cube with a pattern on it, and down the bottom are 5 cubes. You have to pick
which one is the right one. Again there are many examples around which you can practise on.
Qantas Recruitment
The idea of this article is to tell people what to expect during the Qantas recruitment process. It makes no attempt to provide any answers to any questions, it is merely a guide to know what to expect for your testing, therefore allowing you to know what is in store for you, so you can relax and hopefully perform better. Much of this information is based around what people have experienced in late 2000/early 2001. Things were different in the past, and things are likely to be different again in the future.BE WARNED!
All the testing is done at the QANTAS centre at Mascot Sydney. ALL transport and accommodation is at your expense. Recommended accommodation is at the IBIS hotel - $95 a night and it's a good 4 minutes walk to QCC3 where the interviews are held, and about 10 mintues walk from the simulator room. You will most likely meet several other QF aspirants there. A courtesy bus runs from the terminal to the door (about a 5 minute trip).
The format for the selection process is as follows:
I.Submit application form (available from the Qantas website)
II.Stage One - Skills Testing
III.Stage Two - Sim Ride and Final Interview
IV.Medical
V.Reference Checks and Paperwork
This entire process will take a minimum of 5 weeks, and up to a couple of years. There is no accurate timeframe. The following timeframes are rough and based on QF's aims, and as such there are always exceptions to the following timeframes.
After Stage One: If successful a phone call within a week inviting you to the simride and final interview (Stage Two) conducted on consecutive days. If unsuccessful a letter within 2 weeks.
After Stage Two: If unsuccessful a letter within 2-3 weeks. If immediately successful a phone call anywhwere from next day to a week or two inviting you down for your medical, but also "no news is good news" (QF's words). Many people are waiting for over 3-4 months without hearing either way.
The procedure involving the infamous hold file is being abolished according to sources within QF recruiting. The hold file was a procedure whereby successful candiates who had completed every stage including their medical, were given a total score according to how they performed in every stage of their
recruitment process. This meant that everyone had a score. When say 20 pilots were required, the top 20 scores were thus employed. It could be convceivable that one could never make that top say 20. If that
was the case and no job had been offered in 6 months, the file was then brought before the review board for further reassessment - that is you are invited to reapply, or given a "thank you for your interest in our airline, unfortunately..." letter.
STAGE 1
You arrive at QCC3 building and join a couple of others for testing. Usually it takes a half day - a morning session or an afternoon session. Things are very relaxed and friendly. At some stage you will be given a
brief by Robyn Hind, this might be before your testing or after, depending on whether you are for the morning or afternoon session. She just wants to update your paperwork, make sure you have current ratings (eg your instrument rating might have been renewed since you sent in your application). Have an
updated copy of your resume, CASA flight crew qualifications sheet and any other relevant paperwork. She will explain the requirement to now have a current Dangerous Goods certificate by the time you are employed. If you have one give it to her now to photocopy.
You are then told to go downstairs to pay your $165 for the psych test and get a receipt for it.
It then starts with 2 simple computer games (aka skills testing).
The first has a simple left and right joystick that moves a red dot left and right across the screen. From the top of the screen there is a stream of dots coming down in a wavy line. The idea is to make the red dots
touch all of the dots coming down. The computer beeps when you connect on a dot. It is easy when the columns are straight, and harder when the columns are curved. Sometimes the stream will bifurcate, and it is usually easier and more productive to follow the straighter branch even if the dots are spaced slightly further apart than to try and catch all the bending ones. You have 3 turns at this.
The second is a standard ball in the centre trick. You have a joystick that moves the ball up and down, and a rudder style foot bar moving the ball left and right. The red ball moves randomly and your job is to keep it in the middle. Pulling back on the joystick sends the ball up and pushing sends it down. Some people reverse the joystick to make it more like a computer game. Personal preference should dictate this. Again
you have 3 turns at this.
Follows are 2 timed sessions of aircraft IF skill recognition. They are timed, however move steadily but do not rush and you should have a couple of minutes to spare.
The first gives you an instrument panel with the standard instrument panel. It runs through instructions beforehand which are fairly standard EXCEPT for the T&B coordinator, which is a 2 bar type…the lower
showing the angle of bank and the upper showing the balance. This is significantly different to GA style T&B coordinators. In your introduction WRITE down on your piece of jotting paper the instrument indications
(shown to you) for a steep balanced turn, steep turn skidding, and steep turn slipping. Label each one and refer to it during your exercise. Introduction time is not timed…use this to your advantage.
The trick in the first one is to use your multi choice skills to eliminate answers! Look at the ASI…it gives an unambiguous explicit reading that is hard to get wrong. Now compare your answers, ruling out the ones
with wrong ASI readings. This usually leaves only 2 or 3 to deal with.
For example
1. The aircraft is heading north, in a slight left balanced turn, descending slightly, at 1950 feet at a speed of 185MPH.
2. The aircraft is heading east, in a steep right overbanked turn, descending rapidly, at 1940 feet at a speed of 180MPH.
3. The aircraft is heading north, in a slight left balanced turn, descending slightly, at 2940 feet at a speed of 180MPH.
4. The aircraft is heading south, in a slight left underbanked turn, descending slightly, at 940 feet at a speed of 170MPH.
5. The aircraft is heading north, in a slight left balanced turn, descending rapidly, at 1940 feet at a speed of 190MPH.
The easiest dial to read is the ASI…if it reads 180MPH answers 2 or 3 are correct, then go from there through the altimeter etc….There are 40 questions like this
The second part contains 75 questions. You are given instructions. Again in the untimed introduction DRAW the aeroplane and its direction. (Basically if the needle is 12:00 it is heading north, represented by a
rearwards profile; 6:00 heading south, represented by a front profile, 3:00 heading east, represented by a right side profile (nose to the right) etc). You are given an attitude indicator and the aforementioned
compass/direction indicator. You are given a choice of five aircraft all in different attitudes and directions.
Take care when choosing your answers, sometimes the number of the aircraft can be a bit confusing where it is located next to the picture.
The easiest way to do this is mimic the aircraft's attitude from the AH with your hand, then holding your hand in that attitude, rotate your hand so that your fingers are pointing in the direction of the arrow on the direction indicator and matching the resulting shape with one of the five answers.
Here endeth part one.
Part 2 is slightly more rigorous. The sections are pretty much all time critical. Not many people seem to finish this section ahead of time. You will be told that you were NOT penalised for wrong answers, but it
does say to avoid wild guessing. One of the supervisors when asked directly if it is worth randomly ticking answers to questions which you do not have time to finish, replied that that is worth doing as you are not
penalised for wrong answers.
It all begins with a verbal reasoning test (aka English comprehension). Some of the passages are quite difficult, and care will need to be taken. For each passage (about 10?) you are given 4 sentences each reflecting some part of the passage. You then have to choose whether each sentence is True, False or Can't Say relating to the paragraph. There are plenty of examples to practise on the web.
Then comes mathematical section. This deals mainly with ratios and comparisons: given several groups of figures, what ratio of column a to column be is the greatest in what year, or which company had the biggest
percentage increase over previous years' profits etc. You are given up to 10 answers to choose from.
There is also a timetable (shown incomplete) of flights between 2 cities, one on summer time one not. As this question is used repeatedly, it would be prudent to write out the timetable fully on your piece of paper
the first time you see it.
Then comes the "what comes next in the series" questions. Some of these are very difficult, some easier. Their standard seems to vary during the process of the test too, seeming to be hardest around the middle.
Again practice these - there are plenty that are widely available.
The next section are the cube questions. These spatial orentation exercises are quite demanding too. You are shown an unravelled cube with a pattern on it, and down the bottom are 5 cubes. You have to pick
which one is the right one. Again there are many examples around which you can practise on.
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PART 2 (due to allowable length!)
The penultimate exercise is the Psychology test. Answer things truthfully. That's all there is to it! There are 100 questions, each with 4 answers of which you must pick the most and least accurate.Themes and questions recur, so that coverups and non truths will become evident. Avoid this by being honest.
Finally is the motivational test…mainly asking how certain things at work would affect your motivation to work. Again be yourself. It will ask questions like "An increase in pay will"
A. Greatly decrease my motivation to work
B. Slightly reduce my motivation to work
C. Have no effect on my motivation to work
D. Slightly increase my motivation to work
E. Greatly increase my motivation to work
That is the completion of stage one. As outlined earlier, you should be called within about a week if you are successful. If not, expect a letter within 2 weeks.
The sim ride
The Sim ride is conducted the day before your final interview. No matter how you perform in your sim ride, you will still do the final interview. There is no pass or fail for the sim ride. Capt Greenop is looking to realistically assess your flying skills, your ability to learn, and your IF scan.
A comprehensive briefing is given prior to the ride…Capt Greenop makes you feel pretty much at ease, and he is quite friendly and approachable. The operation is designed to be flown as a single pilot operation. He will give you all the speeds and power settings for the operation (also listed below). For GA
pilots, the major difference is the fact that the power lever is very important in controlling the speed in cruise. Remember this and try and fly the figures that are given to you accurately. It is prudent to write the figures on the side of your charts to reference them in flight if required. You will not really have a chance to look at your charts much, so learn them [as] well.
You will be flying either the 744 sim or the 767 sim, depending on availability. The 744 is flown at min fuel weight - about 4 tonnes, and only the 2 inboard engines are used, the outer are at idle. PEC is not required.
As outlined earlier, it is all flown as a single pilot operation, except that you call "gear", "flaps" and the radio aids to be set up.
The settings for the 744 as given to you by Capt Greenop are as follows:
TAKEOFF:
Full power, rotate 120 kts
10 deg nose up, accelerate to 140 kts.
Call gear and flap (20) (the whole flight is flown at flap 20, except appraochat flap 30).
CRUISE:
140 kts 6.5 deg nose up 1.25 EPR
180 kts 2.5 deg nose up 1.37 EPR
ILS
One dot high, gear down
On glide slope, flaps 30
2.5 deg nose up, 120 kts, 1.22 EPR
TWIN LOC
14 nm Gear down
Flap 30 leaving 4000'
2.5 deg nose up, 120 kts, 1.22 EPR
GO-AROUND
Full power
Flap 20
Rotate 12 deg
Gear up
140 kts
For the Melbourne approach, the flight was as follows:
Take off and climb on rwy heading to 4000'. Level off at 140 Kts (about 1.25 epr).
Climb at 1000fpm to 6000', turn right onto 270. Descend at 500fpm, turn onto another heading. He calls all the headings to turn and bugs them.
You will be vectored towards Bolinda, and told to intercept the 040 inbound. You will have to call the heading bug, and enter the holding pattern (usually a sector entry) halfway thru the sector entry he will call
cancel the hold, clear ILS or Twin Loc approach. Fly the approach.
He will call go-around somewhere before minima. Full power climb to 6000, maybe some turning etc, and then will track you to the east towards Epping. Intercepting the 360 inbound radial to Epping, then the 030
outbound radial. Shortly afterwards he will order a steep turn to the left or right. Then a parallel entry into the Twin loc or ILS approach (whichever you did not do first).
You will have to call for the appropriate navaid to be called up on the relative instrument (left or right).
Fly the approach, again somewhere near minima, he will terminate the approach, end of sim ride, and you will be wanting a drink.
During the approaches although it is a single pilot operation basically (although you call flaps and gear and he sets them for you) it would be prudent to give a good briefing before launching into the approach - if you have time!
Failing that, help yourself by calling out heights above minima - ie "1000 above minima, 500 above minima" etc. It is the QF SOP so show that you can do it now.
A few pointers: If the aircraft feels like it is going through turbulence and you cannot 'catch it', you are over controlling so let go of the control column and it will settle.
The thumb trim is not like GA electic trims. When you trim, it does not relieve any control column force, you have to relax your pressure and see how that has changed the force required. Due to this fact, you need to
trim in 1 second spurts.
He knows that you have never flown a 744 before, and that is why it is given a performance decrease to look like a big GA twin. You are being assessed on your scan, your knowledge of IF skills and you ability to learn and improve in a short space of time. When you have finished, think about how you went, give yourself a score out of 10, and write down all of your mistakes that you made. You will be asked about it
tomorrow....
Final interview
The panel is usually 2 pilots - either 2 captains, or a captain and an FO. They begin by saying that it is a behavioural interview and that it is split into 2 parts, one for you, the other tech stuff and company. There
will be a break and you will have time to ask questions. They will be asking the odd question trying to put you under pressure (maybe making you defend a decision you made once) and seeing how you react.
What follows are actual questions people have been asked over the last few months.
When did you get down from ****? (small talk)
Tell us a bit about yourself, starting from when you left school to where you are now.
Why you did straight sciences at year 12 level?
How did you pay for your flying?
Why did it take so long for you to get your PPL?
Your first job was at *****. Tell us what you did there.
Did you ever drive around to find work?
How long did you apply for work at ***?
Why, if you enjoyed **** did you change and start flying with ****?
Why did you change work and go to *****?
Did you apply before you were given an interview?
Tell us about a time that you thought you made a big mistake.
What did you learn about the whole situation?
Why did you decide to do that? Surely it would have been better to do****? (Trying to get you to justify your decision)
Did you ever have a situation of conflict at work, did it get heated?
Tell us a little about [your current job's] flying.
When did you have a situation where you panicked, would you have done it differently?
Did you ever have to make a snap decision without all the facts?
What are the minimum qualifications for Qantas?
You had these qualifications in 19**, why did it take you till 19** to apply?
Have you applied to anyone else?
Can you give us a score out of 10 for your sim ride?
Ok then, but do you think you passed it?
What area did you think you needed to improve on?
What mistakes did you make?
What's my biggest achievement so far in flying?
Did that motivate you at all?
Any times when you had no checklist that covered the emergency and you had to think for yourself and make it up as you went along?
What characteristics do you think Pax think a captain should posses?
You've probably got a list of strengths, so tell us 3 of your weaknesses.
You're coming into YPDN at 2500 in a cat b twin. It's night and they give you a clearance to track for a 6nm final, cleared visual approach. Can you see any problems?
The penultimate exercise is the Psychology test. Answer things truthfully. That's all there is to it! There are 100 questions, each with 4 answers of which you must pick the most and least accurate.Themes and questions recur, so that coverups and non truths will become evident. Avoid this by being honest.
Finally is the motivational test…mainly asking how certain things at work would affect your motivation to work. Again be yourself. It will ask questions like "An increase in pay will"
A. Greatly decrease my motivation to work
B. Slightly reduce my motivation to work
C. Have no effect on my motivation to work
D. Slightly increase my motivation to work
E. Greatly increase my motivation to work
That is the completion of stage one. As outlined earlier, you should be called within about a week if you are successful. If not, expect a letter within 2 weeks.
The sim ride
The Sim ride is conducted the day before your final interview. No matter how you perform in your sim ride, you will still do the final interview. There is no pass or fail for the sim ride. Capt Greenop is looking to realistically assess your flying skills, your ability to learn, and your IF scan.
A comprehensive briefing is given prior to the ride…Capt Greenop makes you feel pretty much at ease, and he is quite friendly and approachable. The operation is designed to be flown as a single pilot operation. He will give you all the speeds and power settings for the operation (also listed below). For GA
pilots, the major difference is the fact that the power lever is very important in controlling the speed in cruise. Remember this and try and fly the figures that are given to you accurately. It is prudent to write the figures on the side of your charts to reference them in flight if required. You will not really have a chance to look at your charts much, so learn them [as] well.
You will be flying either the 744 sim or the 767 sim, depending on availability. The 744 is flown at min fuel weight - about 4 tonnes, and only the 2 inboard engines are used, the outer are at idle. PEC is not required.
As outlined earlier, it is all flown as a single pilot operation, except that you call "gear", "flaps" and the radio aids to be set up.
The settings for the 744 as given to you by Capt Greenop are as follows:
TAKEOFF:
Full power, rotate 120 kts
10 deg nose up, accelerate to 140 kts.
Call gear and flap (20) (the whole flight is flown at flap 20, except appraochat flap 30).
CRUISE:
140 kts 6.5 deg nose up 1.25 EPR
180 kts 2.5 deg nose up 1.37 EPR
ILS
One dot high, gear down
On glide slope, flaps 30
2.5 deg nose up, 120 kts, 1.22 EPR
TWIN LOC
14 nm Gear down
Flap 30 leaving 4000'
2.5 deg nose up, 120 kts, 1.22 EPR
GO-AROUND
Full power
Flap 20
Rotate 12 deg
Gear up
140 kts
For the Melbourne approach, the flight was as follows:
Take off and climb on rwy heading to 4000'. Level off at 140 Kts (about 1.25 epr).
Climb at 1000fpm to 6000', turn right onto 270. Descend at 500fpm, turn onto another heading. He calls all the headings to turn and bugs them.
You will be vectored towards Bolinda, and told to intercept the 040 inbound. You will have to call the heading bug, and enter the holding pattern (usually a sector entry) halfway thru the sector entry he will call
cancel the hold, clear ILS or Twin Loc approach. Fly the approach.
He will call go-around somewhere before minima. Full power climb to 6000, maybe some turning etc, and then will track you to the east towards Epping. Intercepting the 360 inbound radial to Epping, then the 030
outbound radial. Shortly afterwards he will order a steep turn to the left or right. Then a parallel entry into the Twin loc or ILS approach (whichever you did not do first).
You will have to call for the appropriate navaid to be called up on the relative instrument (left or right).
Fly the approach, again somewhere near minima, he will terminate the approach, end of sim ride, and you will be wanting a drink.
During the approaches although it is a single pilot operation basically (although you call flaps and gear and he sets them for you) it would be prudent to give a good briefing before launching into the approach - if you have time!
Failing that, help yourself by calling out heights above minima - ie "1000 above minima, 500 above minima" etc. It is the QF SOP so show that you can do it now.
A few pointers: If the aircraft feels like it is going through turbulence and you cannot 'catch it', you are over controlling so let go of the control column and it will settle.
The thumb trim is not like GA electic trims. When you trim, it does not relieve any control column force, you have to relax your pressure and see how that has changed the force required. Due to this fact, you need to
trim in 1 second spurts.
He knows that you have never flown a 744 before, and that is why it is given a performance decrease to look like a big GA twin. You are being assessed on your scan, your knowledge of IF skills and you ability to learn and improve in a short space of time. When you have finished, think about how you went, give yourself a score out of 10, and write down all of your mistakes that you made. You will be asked about it
tomorrow....
Final interview
The panel is usually 2 pilots - either 2 captains, or a captain and an FO. They begin by saying that it is a behavioural interview and that it is split into 2 parts, one for you, the other tech stuff and company. There
will be a break and you will have time to ask questions. They will be asking the odd question trying to put you under pressure (maybe making you defend a decision you made once) and seeing how you react.
What follows are actual questions people have been asked over the last few months.
When did you get down from ****? (small talk)
Tell us a bit about yourself, starting from when you left school to where you are now.
Why you did straight sciences at year 12 level?
How did you pay for your flying?
Why did it take so long for you to get your PPL?
Your first job was at *****. Tell us what you did there.
Did you ever drive around to find work?
How long did you apply for work at ***?
Why, if you enjoyed **** did you change and start flying with ****?
Why did you change work and go to *****?
Did you apply before you were given an interview?
Tell us about a time that you thought you made a big mistake.
What did you learn about the whole situation?
Why did you decide to do that? Surely it would have been better to do****? (Trying to get you to justify your decision)
Did you ever have a situation of conflict at work, did it get heated?
Tell us a little about [your current job's] flying.
When did you have a situation where you panicked, would you have done it differently?
Did you ever have to make a snap decision without all the facts?
What are the minimum qualifications for Qantas?
You had these qualifications in 19**, why did it take you till 19** to apply?
Have you applied to anyone else?
Can you give us a score out of 10 for your sim ride?
Ok then, but do you think you passed it?
What area did you think you needed to improve on?
What mistakes did you make?
What's my biggest achievement so far in flying?
Did that motivate you at all?
Any times when you had no checklist that covered the emergency and you had to think for yourself and make it up as you went along?
What characteristics do you think Pax think a captain should posses?
You've probably got a list of strengths, so tell us 3 of your weaknesses.
You're coming into YPDN at 2500 in a cat b twin. It's night and they give you a clearance to track for a 6nm final, cleared visual approach. Can you see any problems?
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What would you do?
What are the visual approach criteria?
They give you a visual approach and you go around, how are you going to do that?
How many aircraft do we have?
What's this aircraft sitting on the table?
What engine types and how much thrust/engine does it have?
How many pax?
What is its range?
Tell me about the [engine of the aircraft you currently flying].
What is the stall speed of [the aircraft you are currently flying]?
Which brakes get hotter, front or back?
OK then, if I told you the back brakes get hotter, can you think why?
How fast does it fly?
If I had to fly from SYD to PERTH, what height would I choose, why?
So why not fly as high as possible.
What happens to speed of sound as you get higher?
If 743 was flying at high attitude (0.84M) and the same one is flying at low altitude (0.84M), which one would have a higher TAS.
So does that change your answer to your previous answer about how high you'd fly to Perth at?
What is the reciprocal of 157'? Are you sure? You really want to stick with that? [Asked in a very accusatory manner to provide pressure].
It's ISA +10', what's the OAT at 18,000 ft. Are you sure?
You're doing 480kts, you've got 48nm to run, what's the time interval. Are you sure about that?
What aircraft would you like to fly, why?
It's a lot more work flying the Classic, why not take the easy way on the 744?
What will you do if unsuccessful with Qantas?
Do you have any questions for us?
Tell us about a time you were unfairly critisised, how did you react?
What company was that with?
What are some differences in your current job compared to what you'll do in Qantas?
What are some similarities in your current job compared to what you'll do in Qantas?
When was the 767 introduced?
The 744?
The 737?
Do you have any further questions?
Tell me how you came to be here today - how you became interested in flying and what you have done so far in your flying career?
What was the greatest difficulty for you to overcome to be where you are today?
What is your greatest achievement outside aviation?
What will you do if you do not get into QF?
Would you be happy being a Dash 8 skipper at 45yo? Would you consider that a satisfying career?
Could you live in Hong Kong?
Why did you spend such a short time at [company X]?
How did you get your current job? How many times had you applied before you got in?
What about a conflict at work?
What company was that with?
Were there raised voices?
How did you resolve it?
So what would you have done if the situation arose again?
You are making a night instrument approach into [airstrip with NDB} - you need to circle off the mimima and land. Tell me the rules for that. [Detailed discussion on this for several minutes, with various scenarios and what ifs].
On a scale of 1 to 10, you have someone at 10 who can't make a decision to save themselves, they need help from around them, and at the other end you have number 1, who is very independent and makes fast decisions and needs no one to help him. Which number you think you are?
It's obvious that you were going to say that, but I have your psych test in front of me which gives and accurate number - Think very carfully about your answer and give me a number from I to 10. Think carefully and honestly, and tell me which number you are.
When was the 747 Classic introduced?
What's that aircraft in the photo on the wall - (a biplane, but it's not an Avro - it is significantly larger)
What is that aircraft on the table? (one of their models is an MD11 - be careful!)
Do we have one?
Tell me about flying that aircraft - how would you go about flying from A to B - assume nil wind.
Show where max range and endurance on the drag vs. speed curve are located.
What effect will wind have on that?
What speed would you fly if there was a headwind?
Tell me about the all flying tail plane?
Tell me about the Qantas history, who, when, where!
Why do you want to work for Qantas as opposed to another airline?
Do you have applications in for any other airlines?
What will you do if they offer you a job?
What will you do if you are unsuccessful? Have you considered a career in the regionals ?
Why not? Why are you not interested in the regional airlines?
Give me 4 strong points in your character.
Give me 4 weak points in your character.
Why is *** a weak point?
What do you think the role of a Second Officer is?
Have you ever had a conflict on the flight deck?
How did you resolve it?
Have you ever failed to complete a task/mission?
What rules have you broken?
Yes there are not many pilots around who have not broken flight and duty times, what other rules have you broken? Come on you must have broken something?
Have you ever been asked to break the rules?
What did you do about it?
What are some of the newer destinations to which we fly?
What are the essential qualities of a Captain?
What is your greatest achievement outside aviation?
Where do you see yourself in 5 years time?
What about 10 years time?
Give us an example of a mission/task when completion was essential?
What did you do to ensure its success?
Who founded the Company?
Where and when was it founded?
Who was Arthur Baird?
What destinations in the Americas do we fly?
If you were at the briefing office in Sydney and you were to fly due north for 10 hours landing in mainland China, what destination would you be flying to?
If you were doing 360 kts groundspeed, how long would it take you to travel 90nm?
What is the body of water immediately to the East of India?
What is the capital of Finland?
What is the capital of South Africa?
What is the capital of Pakistan?
What is the capital of New Zealand?
What is the capital of PNG?
Why do we use AVTUR in jet engines?
What are the dot points in the AIP regarding rules for a circling approach?
What are the dot points in the AIP regarding rules for descent below the LSALT?
What are the advantages of a swept wing aircraft?
What is the thrust output of a 737 engine?
Tell us about a time that you had to stand up for your-self.
Tell us a time you had to lead a group.
Are you bonded to your present company?
Does your company know you are here today?
A few pointers regarding your final interview:
Your interview will last between 30 minutes and 60 minutes, with usual interview lengths of about 40 minutes.
You will be told that it is a behavioural interview. What that means is up to you, but they are seeing what sort of person you are - basically determining if they want to spend 14 hours in the same cockpit as you.
You will be asked why you made some decisions and told that they are sound bad. It is up to you to justify why you did what you did and try and turn everything into a positive. Some decisions you made will be criticised, it is up to you to defend and explain why you acted the way you did.
BE HONEST with scenarios that you give. If you don't have any, then don't use them! ! If they sense that you are making things up, it will be like a red rag to a bull and they will pursue that point.
If you don't know something SAY SO! For example, "I don't know exactly when the 767 was introduced, butit was in the early 80's."
And of course all the usual interview stuff: Remember their names - they are conveniently written on their ASIC ID cards hanging on their jackets! Thank them at the end and use their title - ie Thank you Capt Smith.
Remember: - Don't talk yourself out of a job!!
If successful, you will be notified by phone and be invited down for a medical.
Medical
You must get your own Orthopantomogram (mouth x-ray). This is for company dental records should the unfortunate happen. You will need a reference from a dentist. It should be claimable on Medicare.
You must also get your own eye tests done at any CASA approved opthamalogist. They have to fill in Qantas' own paperwork. Remember - you can not drive home afterwards with the eye anaesthetic they use! Seriously!
You do not have to have either done prior to the medical date, but your medical will not be passed until you have the paperwork submitted. The actual medical is much like a quick class one - a hearing test, physical once over, blood pressure and blood tests for nasties. It will only take about 40 mins.
Paperwork
When they confirm your medical, they will also send you an applicaiton for employment form, the eye test forms, medical details (you'll need to fast for 12 hours) and a criminal history check. You need to send this
off ASAP as it takes between one and 4 weeks to process and nothing will happen until they receive it back.
When the medical results come back, they will do reference checks.
Sometime in the future you should get a phone call. GOOD LUCK!
What would you do?
What are the visual approach criteria?
They give you a visual approach and you go around, how are you going to do that?
How many aircraft do we have?
What's this aircraft sitting on the table?
What engine types and how much thrust/engine does it have?
How many pax?
What is its range?
Tell me about the [engine of the aircraft you currently flying].
What is the stall speed of [the aircraft you are currently flying]?
Which brakes get hotter, front or back?
OK then, if I told you the back brakes get hotter, can you think why?
How fast does it fly?
If I had to fly from SYD to PERTH, what height would I choose, why?
So why not fly as high as possible.
What happens to speed of sound as you get higher?
If 743 was flying at high attitude (0.84M) and the same one is flying at low altitude (0.84M), which one would have a higher TAS.
So does that change your answer to your previous answer about how high you'd fly to Perth at?
What is the reciprocal of 157'? Are you sure? You really want to stick with that? [Asked in a very accusatory manner to provide pressure].
It's ISA +10', what's the OAT at 18,000 ft. Are you sure?
You're doing 480kts, you've got 48nm to run, what's the time interval. Are you sure about that?
What aircraft would you like to fly, why?
It's a lot more work flying the Classic, why not take the easy way on the 744?
What will you do if unsuccessful with Qantas?
Do you have any questions for us?
Tell us about a time you were unfairly critisised, how did you react?
What company was that with?
What are some differences in your current job compared to what you'll do in Qantas?
What are some similarities in your current job compared to what you'll do in Qantas?
When was the 767 introduced?
The 744?
The 737?
Do you have any further questions?
Tell me how you came to be here today - how you became interested in flying and what you have done so far in your flying career?
What was the greatest difficulty for you to overcome to be where you are today?
What is your greatest achievement outside aviation?
What will you do if you do not get into QF?
Would you be happy being a Dash 8 skipper at 45yo? Would you consider that a satisfying career?
Could you live in Hong Kong?
Why did you spend such a short time at [company X]?
How did you get your current job? How many times had you applied before you got in?
What about a conflict at work?
What company was that with?
Were there raised voices?
How did you resolve it?
So what would you have done if the situation arose again?
You are making a night instrument approach into [airstrip with NDB} - you need to circle off the mimima and land. Tell me the rules for that. [Detailed discussion on this for several minutes, with various scenarios and what ifs].
On a scale of 1 to 10, you have someone at 10 who can't make a decision to save themselves, they need help from around them, and at the other end you have number 1, who is very independent and makes fast decisions and needs no one to help him. Which number you think you are?
It's obvious that you were going to say that, but I have your psych test in front of me which gives and accurate number - Think very carfully about your answer and give me a number from I to 10. Think carefully and honestly, and tell me which number you are.
When was the 747 Classic introduced?
What's that aircraft in the photo on the wall - (a biplane, but it's not an Avro - it is significantly larger)
What is that aircraft on the table? (one of their models is an MD11 - be careful!)
Do we have one?
Tell me about flying that aircraft - how would you go about flying from A to B - assume nil wind.
Show where max range and endurance on the drag vs. speed curve are located.
What effect will wind have on that?
What speed would you fly if there was a headwind?
Tell me about the all flying tail plane?
Tell me about the Qantas history, who, when, where!
Why do you want to work for Qantas as opposed to another airline?
Do you have applications in for any other airlines?
What will you do if they offer you a job?
What will you do if you are unsuccessful? Have you considered a career in the regionals ?
Why not? Why are you not interested in the regional airlines?
Give me 4 strong points in your character.
Give me 4 weak points in your character.
Why is *** a weak point?
What do you think the role of a Second Officer is?
Have you ever had a conflict on the flight deck?
How did you resolve it?
Have you ever failed to complete a task/mission?
What rules have you broken?
Yes there are not many pilots around who have not broken flight and duty times, what other rules have you broken? Come on you must have broken something?
Have you ever been asked to break the rules?
What did you do about it?
What are some of the newer destinations to which we fly?
What are the essential qualities of a Captain?
What is your greatest achievement outside aviation?
Where do you see yourself in 5 years time?
What about 10 years time?
Give us an example of a mission/task when completion was essential?
What did you do to ensure its success?
Who founded the Company?
Where and when was it founded?
Who was Arthur Baird?
What destinations in the Americas do we fly?
If you were at the briefing office in Sydney and you were to fly due north for 10 hours landing in mainland China, what destination would you be flying to?
If you were doing 360 kts groundspeed, how long would it take you to travel 90nm?
What is the body of water immediately to the East of India?
What is the capital of Finland?
What is the capital of South Africa?
What is the capital of Pakistan?
What is the capital of New Zealand?
What is the capital of PNG?
Why do we use AVTUR in jet engines?
What are the dot points in the AIP regarding rules for a circling approach?
What are the dot points in the AIP regarding rules for descent below the LSALT?
What are the advantages of a swept wing aircraft?
What is the thrust output of a 737 engine?
Tell us about a time that you had to stand up for your-self.
Tell us a time you had to lead a group.
Are you bonded to your present company?
Does your company know you are here today?
A few pointers regarding your final interview:
Your interview will last between 30 minutes and 60 minutes, with usual interview lengths of about 40 minutes.
You will be told that it is a behavioural interview. What that means is up to you, but they are seeing what sort of person you are - basically determining if they want to spend 14 hours in the same cockpit as you.
You will be asked why you made some decisions and told that they are sound bad. It is up to you to justify why you did what you did and try and turn everything into a positive. Some decisions you made will be criticised, it is up to you to defend and explain why you acted the way you did.
BE HONEST with scenarios that you give. If you don't have any, then don't use them! ! If they sense that you are making things up, it will be like a red rag to a bull and they will pursue that point.
If you don't know something SAY SO! For example, "I don't know exactly when the 767 was introduced, butit was in the early 80's."
And of course all the usual interview stuff: Remember their names - they are conveniently written on their ASIC ID cards hanging on their jackets! Thank them at the end and use their title - ie Thank you Capt Smith.
Remember: - Don't talk yourself out of a job!!
If successful, you will be notified by phone and be invited down for a medical.
Medical
You must get your own Orthopantomogram (mouth x-ray). This is for company dental records should the unfortunate happen. You will need a reference from a dentist. It should be claimable on Medicare.
You must also get your own eye tests done at any CASA approved opthamalogist. They have to fill in Qantas' own paperwork. Remember - you can not drive home afterwards with the eye anaesthetic they use! Seriously!
You do not have to have either done prior to the medical date, but your medical will not be passed until you have the paperwork submitted. The actual medical is much like a quick class one - a hearing test, physical once over, blood pressure and blood tests for nasties. It will only take about 40 mins.
Paperwork
When they confirm your medical, they will also send you an applicaiton for employment form, the eye test forms, medical details (you'll need to fast for 12 hours) and a criminal history check. You need to send this
off ASAP as it takes between one and 4 weeks to process and nothing will happen until they receive it back.
When the medical results come back, they will do reference checks.
Sometime in the future you should get a phone call. GOOD LUCK!
