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Maf ???
Time for a whinge.......
Despite the fact that MAF are there for the benefit of the community, recently all they seem content on doing is attempting to make life as difficult as possible.
Not only do they not do any outside maint - even lend a bit of advice. But they have become the latest in filing incident reports. I am a true believer in incident reports but not in the smart arse way in which the latest was filed.
The scenario is a C210 on take off experiences power problems conducts a procedure turn over a road and lands ASAP, great piloting technique. MAF dude comes straight up not to ask pilot if he is OK not to make sure that everything is alright but to blat out "were filing an incident report on that" which as I said it don't worry me its the petty way in which its done.
Are we not all fellow aviators?
My memory goes back to Arnehmland years ago when 2 certain companies went 225 crazy, zbc landed 1min after last light, etc me hopes this aint gunna happen again.
MAF you do not own the sky, great to see you caring so much being good Christians and all...
Despite the fact that MAF are there for the benefit of the community, recently all they seem content on doing is attempting to make life as difficult as possible.
Not only do they not do any outside maint - even lend a bit of advice. But they have become the latest in filing incident reports. I am a true believer in incident reports but not in the smart arse way in which the latest was filed.
The scenario is a C210 on take off experiences power problems conducts a procedure turn over a road and lands ASAP, great piloting technique. MAF dude comes straight up not to ask pilot if he is OK not to make sure that everything is alright but to blat out "were filing an incident report on that" which as I said it don't worry me its the petty way in which its done.
Are we not all fellow aviators?
My memory goes back to Arnehmland years ago when 2 certain companies went 225 crazy, zbc landed 1min after last light, etc me hopes this aint gunna happen again.
MAF you do not own the sky, great to see you caring so much being good Christians and all...
Had problems many years ago in GV. MAF would do work on our aircraft as long as we didnt get a twin and compete against them. I have known a few MAF pilots over the years, most of them are arseholes with a few exceptions. I think your competing against them so your the enemy, HA. Dont let the so called religous thing fool you, there just as competitive as the next operator. And remember their going to heaven and your not.
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I would say more so.
Considering out of Central Australia they were operating the aircraft on behalf of the communities who bought these aircraft (C208 etc) from the Government on a low interest loans.
Makes it a bit hard for the local operators to compete.
Considering out of Central Australia they were operating the aircraft on behalf of the communities who bought these aircraft (C208 etc) from the Government on a low interest loans.
Makes it a bit hard for the local operators to compete.
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Don't worry too much about the ASIR; CASA will not be too interested in anything done in an emergency and the report will tell CASA more about the twerp who sent it in than anyone else.
Some MAFheads do think that they are god's chosen ones and act accordingly, and they usually have the airmanship skills to match....
The thing I noticed is that they seem to stuff up navigation and radio; the bad ones don't know where they are but just send memorised radio messages anyway.
The way to get stuff out of the them is keep harassing them into the good Samaritan role with heaps of guilt and they usually give up in the end. When you get them into the habit they can't stop.
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Don't worry too much about the ASIR; CASA will not be too interested in anything done in an emergency and the report will tell CASA more about the twerp who sent it in than anyone else.
Some MAFheads do think that they are god's chosen ones and act accordingly, and they usually have the airmanship skills to match....
The thing I noticed is that they seem to stuff up navigation and radio; the bad ones don't know where they are but just send memorised radio messages anyway.The way to get stuff out of the them is keep harassing them into the good Samaritan role with heaps of guilt and they usually give up in the end. When you get them into the habit they can't stop.
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Memories of MAF! They were the same clowns that speared in with an Otter near Tabubil PNG, with something like "25" pax on board, and grossly overloaded, as it was later established. The newspaper acticle still hangs in our old ops room to this day I believe to show that no matter how close you think you are to God, you still can't beat him at his own game!
Shalom and Saalam to them all.
Shalom and Saalam to them all.
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Kiwi boy.........Missionary Aviation Fellowship.........a very aggressive aviation company that, in PNG at least, charges way more than commercial rates and pays it's pilots next to nothing!
They have operations set up in Australia, PNG, Irian Jaya and Africa that I know of........probably/possibly South America as well.
Pilot/engineering group made up exclusively of Baptists.
I once asked an MAF pilot in PNG about a job for a Roman Catholic friend of mine and was given a VERY aggressive answer in the negative....something about the Pope being the Godfather and the RC Church being the Mafia
I once read a book written by one of the founding pilots of the PNG operation and even they were worrying that the operation was too commercial and moving away from their charter back in the 60s.......seems they don't worry about that stuff anymore.
Their original charter was to support 'ground pounder' Missionaries in their field work and help spread His word
There is an old saying in PNG that the place was populated, expat wise, by Missionaries, Mercenaries and Misfits.......MAF falls into all three categories.
I saw a LOT of wierd $hit from the various Missionary outfits in PNG........enough to know the PNG people would have been vastly better off without them.
Chuck.
They have operations set up in Australia, PNG, Irian Jaya and Africa that I know of........probably/possibly South America as well.
Pilot/engineering group made up exclusively of Baptists.
I once asked an MAF pilot in PNG about a job for a Roman Catholic friend of mine and was given a VERY aggressive answer in the negative....something about the Pope being the Godfather and the RC Church being the Mafia
I once read a book written by one of the founding pilots of the PNG operation and even they were worrying that the operation was too commercial and moving away from their charter back in the 60s.......seems they don't worry about that stuff anymore.
Their original charter was to support 'ground pounder' Missionaries in their field work and help spread His word
There is an old saying in PNG that the place was populated, expat wise, by Missionaries, Mercenaries and Misfits.......MAF falls into all three categories.
I saw a LOT of wierd $hit from the various Missionary outfits in PNG........enough to know the PNG people would have been vastly better off without them.
Chuck.
"Missionary Aviation Fellowship (MAF) is a Christian aviation organisation."
"MAF Australia is part of an International Fellowship of organizations serving in more than 30 countries worldwide. "
"MAF Australia works in Papua New Guinea, North Australia, Central Australia and Cambodia, and is predominantly staffed by Australians and New Zealanders, with other staff drawn from MAF organisations based in other nations.
The headquarters for MAF-Australia is in Melbourne, Victoria."
MAF Australia
MAF USA
MAF UK
MAF Europe
Information on other mission aviation organisations can be found at the Mission Aviation Network
I was a 'didiman' in PNG from 1961 to 1970, being located variously at Kerevat, Hagen(Korn Farm), Wabag, Madang,Kar Kar, Aiome, Simbai and Moresby. Also did some flying from 63 to 70.
Always found MAF very good to work with - would always help out by throwing a bag of mail or a ctn of xxxx,(wrapped,of course) in the back of a 185 headed your way. Would always give you a lift out of any odd location if urgent,even if it stretched the 185's loading a bit. What they couldn't fit into a 185 wasn't worth taking! The pilots of those days were bloody legends.
Even during the period 67-70 when I was in Moresby, I can't recall any gripes about pirating charter work being levelled at MAF. In fact, most chtr operators had more than enough work anyway, and MAF always seemed flatout servicing their own strips. Most of which were bloody rough!!
Things must have changed when they set up at Kagamuga in a big way. Pity - they certainly had the right stuff in the 60's.
I read about MAF in the USA not long back. Apparently they run a mountain & bush flying type school deep in the Idaho Rockies, using 180/185. Think it was in/on the international C180 website or in their magazine.
cheers
Always found MAF very good to work with - would always help out by throwing a bag of mail or a ctn of xxxx,(wrapped,of course) in the back of a 185 headed your way. Would always give you a lift out of any odd location if urgent,even if it stretched the 185's loading a bit. What they couldn't fit into a 185 wasn't worth taking! The pilots of those days were bloody legends.
Even during the period 67-70 when I was in Moresby, I can't recall any gripes about pirating charter work being levelled at MAF. In fact, most chtr operators had more than enough work anyway, and MAF always seemed flatout servicing their own strips. Most of which were bloody rough!!
Things must have changed when they set up at Kagamuga in a big way. Pity - they certainly had the right stuff in the 60's.
I read about MAF in the USA not long back. Apparently they run a mountain & bush flying type school deep in the Idaho Rockies, using 180/185. Think it was in/on the international C180 website or in their magazine.
cheers
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OSZ is alive and well, occasionally gets above 200 agl, but the driver, being old and of failing faculties, then needs O2. Still operating out of paddocks most days, sure beats A to B flying.
VNE is a recently finished VANS RV6 with 180 HP + CSU upfront. It's a real rocket - 170 KTAS. Next project? We are daydreaming about an absolute aphrodasiac machine called an F2 Teamrocket, which has an IO-540 up front of only 999kgMTOW, which understandably causes it to climb @ 3500 fpm and cruise @ 200KTAS
cheers
OSZ is alive and well, occasionally gets above 200 agl, but the driver, being old and of failing faculties, then needs O2. Still operating out of paddocks most days, sure beats A to B flying.
VNE is a recently finished VANS RV6 with 180 HP + CSU upfront. It's a real rocket - 170 KTAS. Next project? We are daydreaming about an absolute aphrodasiac machine called an F2 Teamrocket, which has an IO-540 up front of only 999kgMTOW, which understandably causes it to climb @ 3500 fpm and cruise @ 200KTAS
cheers
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Hey, good work then with the RV 6, I remember looking at it as a box of bits. I went to 200agl once, got a nose bleed......will stay in my home ground at naff all feet thanx.
Strewth.....thats climbing like my overdraft, would be a tad nose heavy I suspect, at that weight....unless it looks like a GB and ya sit on the tail.....any good for mustering?
Strewth.....thats climbing like my overdraft, would be a tad nose heavy I suspect, at that weight....unless it looks like a GB and ya sit on the tail.....any good for mustering?
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Interesting comments, I'm not often over in East Arnhemland but was in GV the other day and saw your 210 do its thing. Seems to me like your the putz out of this. Intersection departure and engine spluttering all the way is hardly an amatuer effort let alone a supposed wannabe airline pilot.
Snapper head! If you bothered to think about possible problems before you took off, you would have backtracked. Then you would have been able to abort your take off. There was still twice the RWY req.anyway.
Then again if you're too deaf to hear your continental telling you its unhappy, then 10 kms of runway wouldn,t help would it?
Also shows that you are not aware of just how uncomfortable a CASA enema can be for anybody unfortunate enough to witness an incident like yours, who does not report it.
Not to long ago amachine like your augered in at a place near you because the poor driver let his guard down and did something dumb. trouble was he did a few things dumb prior to this and many people noted it however did not want to make waves. When CASA and BASI did the investigation they rudely reminded a couple of other operators that from alegal perspective, they were liable to litigation for saying nothing about an imminent accident.
Perhaps Mafmans delivery was below average and up himself, but your just cut because you stuffed up and don't like anyone seeing you do it.
Snapper head! If you bothered to think about possible problems before you took off, you would have backtracked. Then you would have been able to abort your take off. There was still twice the RWY req.anyway.
Then again if you're too deaf to hear your continental telling you its unhappy, then 10 kms of runway wouldn,t help would it?
Also shows that you are not aware of just how uncomfortable a CASA enema can be for anybody unfortunate enough to witness an incident like yours, who does not report it.
Not to long ago amachine like your augered in at a place near you because the poor driver let his guard down and did something dumb. trouble was he did a few things dumb prior to this and many people noted it however did not want to make waves. When CASA and BASI did the investigation they rudely reminded a couple of other operators that from alegal perspective, they were liable to litigation for saying nothing about an imminent accident.
Perhaps Mafmans delivery was below average and up himself, but your just cut because you stuffed up and don't like anyone seeing you do it.
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Wind-up Alert...
I smell a rat here... this merlin boy has made just ONE post since registering in...
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THIS month! And here we are only at the very early morning of 12 May...
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THIS month! And here we are only at the very early morning of 12 May...
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I have found the MAF guys very courteous and helpful. We use to have a MAF guy teach us at TAFE too, and one of the better teachers out. He use to instruct out at YSBK too, before returning to the MAF PNG.
They have a very high standard for safety too.
They have a very high standard for safety too.
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HA sounds like your lad got up someones nose mate.
My day in PNG (TPNG) not much different to RVs experience.Even hitched a ride with them after I had plunked a 185 down on one of their airstrips after an engine failure.
THey used to push the envelope more than most of us thought prudent and a bloody lot of them died as a result.
But vindictive....no way.
My day in PNG (TPNG) not much different to RVs experience.Even hitched a ride with them after I had plunked a 185 down on one of their airstrips after an engine failure.
THey used to push the envelope more than most of us thought prudent and a bloody lot of them died as a result.
But vindictive....no way.
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Don't worry about those good ol boys from MAF.
Bible in one hand, Machetti in the other.
If you shake hands with MOST of them, check your watch and make sure you have your wallet...
They are a callous company, for the most part they smile whilst they twist the knife...I oughta know.
Amen
9 iron James please..........
Bible in one hand, Machetti in the other.
If you shake hands with MOST of them, check your watch and make sure you have your wallet...
They are a callous company, for the most part they smile whilst they twist the knife...I oughta know.
Amen
9 iron James please..........