Qantas pilots dob Cathay pilots to ATO
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Qantas pilots dob Cathay pilots to ATO
once again some qantas pilots have become jealous of there northern peers
suppously they have gone to the ATO complaing that cathay pilots that are based in australia are paying hong kong tax
cathay pilot's ( acting under the old mariners law ) are entilted to pay hong kong tax only .
these same qantas pilots a couple of years ago tried the same thing , and it was thrown out of court .
i suppose it must be hard for these guy's to earn $100,000 without including allowances
obviously there is a lot of qantas pilots with nothing to do but winge about other airlines pilots
cathay pilots will now walk past qantas pilots in a terminal and completly ignore them
cathay pilots fly wide body aircraft and have narrow body girls , while you tampons fly narrow body aircraft with wide body girls
so captain ( because i have to be called captain by everyone - even by my fourth wife ) .get a bloody life
suppously they have gone to the ATO complaing that cathay pilots that are based in australia are paying hong kong tax
cathay pilot's ( acting under the old mariners law ) are entilted to pay hong kong tax only .
these same qantas pilots a couple of years ago tried the same thing , and it was thrown out of court .
i suppose it must be hard for these guy's to earn $100,000 without including allowances
obviously there is a lot of qantas pilots with nothing to do but winge about other airlines pilots
cathay pilots will now walk past qantas pilots in a terminal and completly ignore them
cathay pilots fly wide body aircraft and have narrow body girls , while you tampons fly narrow body aircraft with wide body girls
so captain ( because i have to be called captain by everyone - even by my fourth wife ) .get a bloody life
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Just settle
It's a good thing all you Cathay blokes are all such legends, otherwise we'd have nothing to whinge about. 
Ever thought about the fact that you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater there lan?
I don't envy a single Cathay driver. I may be a bit cheaper than them but they have to live in HKG (for the most part) and/or commute to get to work. The extra money is compensation for having had to do the HKG thing at some stage- similarly to how the extra money a QF pilot gets compared to the average worker is to compensate for not seeing your family grow up.
Any pilot lucky enough to get a basing is just that- lucky.
Now that you've had your rant and let off your steam, do you want to apologise to the other 2298 pilots at Qantas that have never even thought about the fact that they COULD dob someone in let alone actually go and do it.
I hope you feel better now but I hope you have the good sense to come back and have a look at your post and realise just how big that brush that you are tarring with really is. Geez, we're supposed to be a part of the same alliance. Just because there are some idiots on both sides of the fence doesn't mean that we are going to slag off at ALL of the blokes on the other side. Surely you aren't THAT narrow minded because your post certainly comes across that way!
Have a nice night.
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Ever thought about the fact that you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater there lan?
I don't envy a single Cathay driver. I may be a bit cheaper than them but they have to live in HKG (for the most part) and/or commute to get to work. The extra money is compensation for having had to do the HKG thing at some stage- similarly to how the extra money a QF pilot gets compared to the average worker is to compensate for not seeing your family grow up.
Any pilot lucky enough to get a basing is just that- lucky.
Now that you've had your rant and let off your steam, do you want to apologise to the other 2298 pilots at Qantas that have never even thought about the fact that they COULD dob someone in let alone actually go and do it.
I hope you feel better now but I hope you have the good sense to come back and have a look at your post and realise just how big that brush that you are tarring with really is. Geez, we're supposed to be a part of the same alliance. Just because there are some idiots on both sides of the fence doesn't mean that we are going to slag off at ALL of the blokes on the other side. Surely you aren't THAT narrow minded because your post certainly comes across that way!
Have a nice night.
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I say good luck to them, if you can work the system, why not. Anyway I thought the double taxation act covered this, if you pay tax in a Country with an agreement with Australia you don't pay tax here. Rumor has it that this is the loophole that most large Corporations use to minimize tax legally.
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"suppously they have gone to the ATO ..."
I don't know what "suppously" means, but if it's anything like "supposedly", "allegedly" or "rumour has it" then it doesn't seem like much of a basis for such a spittle-flecked rant...
Good luck to the Cathay blokes - I don't mind earning a lot less to live in Oz.
I don't know what "suppously" means, but if it's anything like "supposedly", "allegedly" or "rumour has it" then it doesn't seem like much of a basis for such a spittle-flecked rant...
Good luck to the Cathay blokes - I don't mind earning a lot less to live in Oz.
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"Supposedly", "allegedly", "rumour has it" that it was UK based CX pilots that dobbed SQ and EVA pilots in it to the UK tax office, once upon a time a couple of years back!
Provided the CX pilots are paid in HKG, (or should that be outside Australia?) they don't have a problem do they? The problems for SQ arose because SQ insisted on paying in UK, Australia, USA etc. and not in Singapore or offshore, as was originally hoped.
The CX/QF thing sounds a bit far fetched to me.
Provided the CX pilots are paid in HKG, (or should that be outside Australia?) they don't have a problem do they? The problems for SQ arose because SQ insisted on paying in UK, Australia, USA etc. and not in Singapore or offshore, as was originally hoped.
The CX/QF thing sounds a bit far fetched to me.
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Ian Kwai Baby,
What a pathetic post! It could have been absolutely anyone who "dobbed" (made an enquiry about?) the CX pilots to the Taxation Dept.
And if you stopped whinging for about 2 seconds to put your reading glasses back on that fat, ugly, old face of yours you would see that most of us QF flight attendants are drop dead gorgeous!
(aaaaaah - that feels much better)
(I am so sorry everyone - just a little childish to come down to his level this morning, I know - but I am just a tad over it all at the moment. I have to have a bite and stick up for us now and again!)
Have a great day everyone!! Anyway, I must go and slip into my size 18 uniform so that I can head off to work to be rude and horrible to every paying passenger in sight! Can't wait!!
What a pathetic post! It could have been absolutely anyone who "dobbed" (made an enquiry about?) the CX pilots to the Taxation Dept.
And if you stopped whinging for about 2 seconds to put your reading glasses back on that fat, ugly, old face of yours you would see that most of us QF flight attendants are drop dead gorgeous!
(aaaaaah - that feels much better)(I am so sorry everyone - just a little childish to come down to his level this morning, I know - but I am just a tad over it all at the moment. I have to have a bite and stick up for us now and again!
)Have a great day everyone!! Anyway, I must go and slip into my size 18 uniform so that I can head off to work to be rude and horrible to every paying passenger in sight! Can't wait!!
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There would appear to be link between this thread and one titled "Draft Tax Determination TD2002/D"
The truth is that someone at the ATO probably woke up and saw what was happening with the CX Oz based guys. The way I read that new document is if you are based in OZ and do "grey days, standby days, available days" or suchlike then that is not foreign service. Hence some of that income is subject to OZ tax.
The truth is that someone at the ATO probably woke up and saw what was happening with the CX Oz based guys. The way I read that new document is if you are based in OZ and do "grey days, standby days, available days" or suchlike then that is not foreign service. Hence some of that income is subject to OZ tax.
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Ivan Urge.
I suspect you ar spot on. The ATO types are not stupid when it comes to finding extra revenue.
They read newspapers too.
There is one group of expats living in Australia and not paying our tax. They are the yanks working at Pine Gap in N.T. Under a generous " agreement" with the US government, they live here full time and pay US tax.
One rule for some, another for the rest.
I suspect you ar spot on. The ATO types are not stupid when it comes to finding extra revenue.
They read newspapers too.
There is one group of expats living in Australia and not paying our tax. They are the yanks working at Pine Gap in N.T. Under a generous " agreement" with the US government, they live here full time and pay US tax.
One rule for some, another for the rest.
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I have no problem with the CX guys being based here and paying Hong Kong tax. I also have no problem with them sending their kids to school in Hong Kong, or if they are sick flying to Hong Kong to go to hospital etc...
If you live here and are paying a significantly lower amount of tax overseas you are using facilities and services AT THE EXPENSE of regular Australian tax payers.
I understand and accept that individuals do the best they can for themselves and their families, but surely you cannot expect any sympathy from regular taxpayers.
If you live here and are paying a significantly lower amount of tax overseas you are using facilities and services AT THE EXPENSE of regular Australian tax payers.
I understand and accept that individuals do the best they can for themselves and their families, but surely you cannot expect any sympathy from regular taxpayers.
I think SODOFF about wraps it up.
If you wish to live in a country and enjoy the facilities, health, police, roads, public transport etc. provided by the taxpayer you ought to be a taxpayer. To do otherwise is to bludge on the others.
If you wish to live in a country and enjoy the facilities, health, police, roads, public transport etc. provided by the taxpayer you ought to be a taxpayer. To do otherwise is to bludge on the others.
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And another thing Ian,
You wrote "...become jealous of there northern peers...".
Good grief, with your huge salary, I suggest you buy a dictionary and (try to) read it !!
'There'.... an adverb, as in "go over there", "put it in there".
'Their'.....a possessive pronoun, as in "their dog", "their lack of literacy", "their whinging attitude".
Common, 1st-grade education stuff, Ian.
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You wrote "...become jealous of there northern peers...".
Good grief, with your huge salary, I suggest you buy a dictionary and (try to) read it !!
'There'.... an adverb, as in "go over there", "put it in there".
'Their'.....a possessive pronoun, as in "their dog", "their lack of literacy", "their whinging attitude".
Common, 1st-grade education stuff, Ian.
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Capt DJV, I applaud your stand on grammar; perhaps a good opportunity to raise other matters such as they're and there, even your and you're.
I suspect your target's name is "Lan", however and not "Ian". How's your geography?
I suspect your target's name is "Lan", however and not "Ian". How's your geography?
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Another way this situation can be looked at is this.
The government gives incentives to businesses that conduct business offshore generating funds to be repatriated back to OZ. Such incentives are in the form of a tax break. The exact details and quantum I have no idea of.
Those fortunate enough to earn great wads of greenbacks [GWOGB's] in OS service are in effect in the same boat. They export their wares for which they recieve overseas funds, which in many cases they repatriate to OZ. When they get those GWOGB's back into OZ and as seems to happen, spend them, they are taxed at the rate of 10% (GST on GWOGB's). Lets try a few ficticious figures. Lets say a friend by the name of Oz expat brings to Oz 250,000 AUD (not unrealistic) that is after he has paid tax in his host country. Assuming he spends most of it, there is 25,000 AUD in GST. His Quaint Arsed counterpart on the other hand recives a similar 250,000 before tax. He then goes into various negatively geared investments and pays say 10,000 tax on minimal (taxable) earnings. (Hope it wasn't Sentinel). Due to the repayments he has on his tax effective investment he now only has 100,000 (after tax and investmentdollars) to spray around. On this he will pay 10,000 GST. So the quaint one will tip 20,000 into the coffers while the OZ (ex)Patriot will tip in 25,000 plus financially assist the populous of the country of source of his funds and contribute to the upgrading of that country's transport system.
Ergo. Your assertion that said lucky ones earning GWOGB's and spending an acknowledged (by ATO) reasonable period of time in OZ are not bludging as you suggest. They are in fact assisting the banana republic economy of this fair land by exporting (goods and) services, and paying their dues in two countries, reducing the need for AID to their host country. Far from bludging, I would suggest they are making far more of a contribution to this fair land than the average Joe in the street. Or quaint Bruce in the air.
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Another way this situation can be looked at is this.
The government gives incentives to businesses that conduct business offshore generating funds to be repatriated back to OZ. Such incentives are in the form of a tax break. The exact details and quantum I have no idea of.
Those fortunate enough to earn great wads of greenbacks [GWOGB's] in OS service are in effect in the same boat. They export their wares for which they recieve overseas funds, which in many cases they repatriate to OZ. When they get those GWOGB's back into OZ and as seems to happen, spend them, they are taxed at the rate of 10% (GST on GWOGB's). Lets try a few ficticious figures. Lets say a friend by the name of Oz expat brings to Oz 250,000 AUD (not unrealistic) that is after he has paid tax in his host country. Assuming he spends most of it, there is 25,000 AUD in GST. His Quaint Arsed counterpart on the other hand recives a similar 250,000 before tax. He then goes into various negatively geared investments and pays say 10,000 tax on minimal (taxable) earnings. (Hope it wasn't Sentinel). Due to the repayments he has on his tax effective investment he now only has 100,000 (after tax and investmentdollars) to spray around. On this he will pay 10,000 GST. So the quaint one will tip 20,000 into the coffers while the OZ (ex)Patriot will tip in 25,000 plus financially assist the populous of the country of source of his funds and contribute to the upgrading of that country's transport system.
Ergo. Your assertion that said lucky ones earning GWOGB's and spending an acknowledged (by ATO) reasonable period of time in OZ are not bludging as you suggest. They are in fact assisting the banana republic economy of this fair land by exporting (goods and) services, and paying their dues in two countries, reducing the need for AID to their host country. Far from bludging, I would suggest they are making far more of a contribution to this fair land than the average Joe in the street. Or quaint Bruce in the air.
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Spot on Wine Guzzler,
I pay GST, road tax,land tax,council tax,water tax fu*ck let me think about it the only break I get is not income tax!
So I have the honour of choosing where I spend my money in Aust instead of having to ask a smart accountant to hide TAX, to go into dodgy tax havens and the like what a crock of *****. We all know how stuffed the system is it is just the CX drivers are able to not have to worry (at the moment) if the ATO rules your little tax scam was just that please pay up now (ask a bunch of QF and AN guys about that feeling!)
I would also like to say every QF guy /gal I have met has always said good for you, likes his own job and gets on with the job of enjoying life. It is very easy to get caught up in the B\S
Cheers
I pay GST, road tax,land tax,council tax,water tax fu*ck let me think about it the only break I get is not income tax!
So I have the honour of choosing where I spend my money in Aust instead of having to ask a smart accountant to hide TAX, to go into dodgy tax havens and the like what a crock of *****. We all know how stuffed the system is it is just the CX drivers are able to not have to worry (at the moment) if the ATO rules your little tax scam was just that please pay up now (ask a bunch of QF and AN guys about that feeling!)
I would also like to say every QF guy /gal I have met has always said good for you, likes his own job and gets on with the job of enjoying life. It is very easy to get caught up in the B\S
Cheers
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Sodoff
You miss the point. The OS pilots are paid offshore in overseas currency for services provided overseas. Put simply he is bringing into the country resources (US$)that would not otherwise be available to this country.
It is my view anyone/any company that makes a contribution that adds to the resource base of this country is providing a bigger contribution than those chewing up resources internally.
Apparently the g'ment think the same and that is why they offer export incentives. I merely extend the concept a little.
GG
You miss the point. The OS pilots are paid offshore in overseas currency for services provided overseas. Put simply he is bringing into the country resources (US$)that would not otherwise be available to this country.
It is my view anyone/any company that makes a contribution that adds to the resource base of this country is providing a bigger contribution than those chewing up resources internally.
Apparently the g'ment think the same and that is why they offer export incentives. I merely extend the concept a little.
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He's right about one thing... mate of mine just joined QF and was staggered by the wide-body boilers and flouncing poonces that abound in the cabin. All old enough to be his granny.
All the more reason to lament his AN job.
His other comment... he was chipped on first line flight for not folding his hat down like a submarining mincer.
All the more reason to lament his AN job.
His other comment... he was chipped on first line flight for not folding his hat down like a submarining mincer.