Virgin trains RAAF pilots
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Centaurus,
The way around that is use crews with a reservre comission.ExRAAF QFIs,FCIs etc abound in Qantas.Now to add to their impressive RAAF credentials are thousands of sectors of experience(wont use the word hours as there was an earlier aversion to such).
This country has over 25yrs experience operating 737 aircraft.We cant crew our operational aircraft and there seems to be an Aero Club mentality within the RAAF regarding 737 introduction.
I feel QFs expertise is worth purhasing too.VB is an unknown quantity-no safety committes,CRM courses and all the rest(Maybe wrong but that is anecdotal).
Cant Standyah
Your lo-level blah blah is not pertinent regarding the operation of civilian aircraft within the RAAF.
There have been very painful but hopefully learnt lessons where the RAAF has crashed civilian aircraft through inexperience and ignorance.707 crash(QF had a wealth of operational and theoretical expertise available),hard landings and pod strikes.Will leave the Nomad.Macho comments like your last,though admirable in the operation of fast jets,gives understanding as to how a very safe airliner like the Electra was destroyed in the Cocos Isl.
VIPing,a waste of military resources when there is a lot more available civilian expertise.
And for God`s sake,don`t risk one of those taxpayers Wedgetails trying to barrel roll it.Leave it to experts like Boeings Tex Johnston.
The way around that is use crews with a reservre comission.ExRAAF QFIs,FCIs etc abound in Qantas.Now to add to their impressive RAAF credentials are thousands of sectors of experience(wont use the word hours as there was an earlier aversion to such).
This country has over 25yrs experience operating 737 aircraft.We cant crew our operational aircraft and there seems to be an Aero Club mentality within the RAAF regarding 737 introduction.
I feel QFs expertise is worth purhasing too.VB is an unknown quantity-no safety committes,CRM courses and all the rest(Maybe wrong but that is anecdotal).
Cant Standyah
Your lo-level blah blah is not pertinent regarding the operation of civilian aircraft within the RAAF.
There have been very painful but hopefully learnt lessons where the RAAF has crashed civilian aircraft through inexperience and ignorance.707 crash(QF had a wealth of operational and theoretical expertise available),hard landings and pod strikes.Will leave the Nomad.Macho comments like your last,though admirable in the operation of fast jets,gives understanding as to how a very safe airliner like the Electra was destroyed in the Cocos Isl.
VIPing,a waste of military resources when there is a lot more available civilian expertise.
And for God`s sake,don`t risk one of those taxpayers Wedgetails trying to barrel roll it.Leave it to experts like Boeings Tex Johnston.
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Why does the RAAF do VIP flying? The answer is twofold. VIP budget comes from Department of Prime Minister & Cabinet. How would it look in the papers if the cost to fly ministers around were to increase by $10,000,000 per year? You think Qantas pilots will fly them for free? At the moment the wage bill comes from the defence budget - hence zero cost to PM department for wages. Second reason: remember all the problems we had sending troops to Timor? Low establishment was the problem. Defence is happy to have RAAF pilots flying the special purpose aircraft as it is a way to increase the pilot establishment. Defence is happy, and it is a convenient way for PM's department to hide some of the costs of what can be politically sensitive, win-win.
As an aside, why would an ex-RAAF VIP pilot who is now in Qantas want to go back to the standby's and waiting around for hours in the jet for the late politician? Have not even begun to think about the industrial implications (but then again AIPA is controlled by the Cadet Mafia that has a chip on its shoulder the size of the Amazon forest about ex-RAAF guys...)
As an aside, why would an ex-RAAF VIP pilot who is now in Qantas want to go back to the standby's and waiting around for hours in the jet for the late politician? Have not even begun to think about the industrial implications (but then again AIPA is controlled by the Cadet Mafia that has a chip on its shoulder the size of the Amazon forest about ex-RAAF guys...)
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Sodoff - your comment:-
"Regarding the comment 'You must remember there are no pilots in the RAAF that have anywhere near the experience of experienced airline pilots' I fear that you have made a common mistake - confusing number of hours in the log book with experience."
How else is experience measured. Try getting a Captain job without a log book full of hours. I left the RAAF after 10 years of continuous flying duty with about all the qualifications normally available. I was considered an experienced pilot by the RAAF. Looking back now with a more realistic eye I know that that was not the fact. Now 28 years later I am experienced and about to retire.
Have a nice day.
"Regarding the comment 'You must remember there are no pilots in the RAAF that have anywhere near the experience of experienced airline pilots' I fear that you have made a common mistake - confusing number of hours in the log book with experience."
How else is experience measured. Try getting a Captain job without a log book full of hours. I left the RAAF after 10 years of continuous flying duty with about all the qualifications normally available. I was considered an experienced pilot by the RAAF. Looking back now with a more realistic eye I know that that was not the fact. Now 28 years later I am experienced and about to retire.
Have a nice day.
Bulldog69,
VB an unknown quantity? Really?
VB does have an AOC you know, just like that icon of australian aviation QF.
It does do CRM courses, it has a safety department (with crew members involved), and by some miracle the aeroplanes make it from A to B mostly intact!
QF and VB are different, but VB isn't better than QF AND QF is NOT better than VB.
QF might have 18 odd years of running 737's around australia (assuming that the TN years are counted) but it doesn't have more experience of the NG than Virgin - Virgin was the launch customer of the type in Australia, and can quite correctly claim to have more operational experience than Qf on type....
VB an unknown quantity? Really?
VB does have an AOC you know, just like that icon of australian aviation QF.
It does do CRM courses, it has a safety department (with crew members involved), and by some miracle the aeroplanes make it from A to B mostly intact!
QF and VB are different, but VB isn't better than QF AND QF is NOT better than VB.
QF might have 18 odd years of running 737's around australia (assuming that the TN years are counted) but it doesn't have more experience of the NG than Virgin - Virgin was the launch customer of the type in Australia, and can quite correctly claim to have more operational experience than Qf on type....
Sorry to drag this back from dead, but I have a question that is almost (depending on how much red wine you have drunken) related.
Is it true that QF are/ will be line training some of their drivers on the A330 with Dragon air?
Don
Is it true that QF are/ will be line training some of their drivers on the A330 with Dragon air?
Don
Thanks keg. That would have been a sweet deal. Some interesting flying I bet.
Don
Don
