Qantas 717's for NZ?
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Folks am I reading Kaptin M correctly or what? Is it his perception that Qantas is going to NZ in some form of benevolence? Last time I looked at Qantas they were a business and that would tend to suggest that they are going there for reasons other than to give some Kiwi's a good deal on travel and give some pilots a job. You must be joking or smoking something to make a statement like that. I agree with you 99er with regard to the wind up bit and I hope for Kaptin's sake he is only joking or trying to wind up some of the hotter ones on this board.
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My understanding is that Aussies - our fine trans Tasman friends - can work in NZ in any job as of right , per govt to govt agreements - if this is the case, an employer cannot legally prefer a Kiwi over an Aussie?? - Correct me if I'm wrong please anyone - our problem in NZ is that we make agreements and then - horrors - HONOUR THEM!! - similarly with putting restrictions/conditions after the fact on QF ops within NZ - it wouldn't be "right" - so we don't do it - regrettably, our friends across the Tasman in West Island, politically, at least, have no qualms about unilaterally abrogating agreements - admittedly in the perceived best interests of Aust and Australians, which is understandable - just dishonest - I made comment in another connection recently on the different national culture, philosphies, and temperaments between NZ'ers and Aust's - they come very much to the fore in such interchanges as this one, and in this forum - I am at a loss as to the source/origin of what is little short of hatred of NZ/NZ institutions from some in Aust - but our aviation markets/industry is going to see more of each others pilots/operations/planes in each others "patch", not less, so we all need to accept it and move on - however, I don't disagree that the "playing field" SHOULD be levelled - but legally and by formal agreement - the NZ way.
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nzer, your posts appear to display the same temperament as MANY of youe fellow country men - the "little man" syndrome, this statement being indicative:
"I am at a loss as to the source/origin of what is little short of hatred of NZ/NZ institutions from some in Aust"
- hatred?? And there's that word that you have subconciously used in venting your spleen!
Admittedly the total population of New Zealand's North & South Islands is only 3.5 million (about the same as that of Sydney), compared with the Main Land - Australia's - of almost 17 million. However there is absolutely NO reason for these aggressive, pug-like characteristics to surface...especially noticeable in mixed company!
[quote]My understanding is that Aussies - our fine trans Tasman friends - can work in NZ in any job as of right , per govt to govt agreements - if this is the case, an employer cannot legally prefer a Kiwi over an Aussie??<hr></blockquote>
...as is similarly the case with Kiwis who come to Australia to work and live. So what is the point in making this statement, which has been a long-standing agreement, and well-known by citizens on both sides of the Ditch?!
[quote]Correct me if I'm wrong please anyone - our problem in NZ is that we make agreements and then - horrors - HONOUR THEM!!<hr></blockquote>
..rather a broad, sweeping statement, isn't it? I'm afraid that I can NOT agree with you there from some very recent financial dealings I've experienced with N.Z.'ers.
So please stand corrected!
[quote]...similarly with putting restrictions/conditions after the fact on QF ops within NZ - it wouldn't be "right" - so we don't do it - regrettably, our friends across the Tasman in West Island, politically, at least, have no qualms about unilaterally abrogating agreements - admittedly in the perceived best interests of Aust and Australians, which is understandable - just dishonest<hr></blockquote>
...why even a FELLOW N.Z'er has answered this for you, when #1AHRS asked this question:
"Folks am I reading Kaptin M correctly or what? Is it his perception that Qantas is going to NZ in some form of benevolence? Last time I looked at Qantas they were a business and that would tend to suggest that they are going there for reasons other than to give some Kiwi's a good deal on travel and give some pilots a job
Perhaps you two should correspond by email to save writing conflicting posts!
And finally, this gem:
[quote]however, I don't disagree that the "playing field" SHOULD be levelled - but legally and by formal agreement - the NZ way.<hr></blockquote>
[ 18 January 2002: Message edited by: Kaptin M ]</p>
"I am at a loss as to the source/origin of what is little short of hatred of NZ/NZ institutions from some in Aust"
- hatred?? And there's that word that you have subconciously used in venting your spleen!
Admittedly the total population of New Zealand's North & South Islands is only 3.5 million (about the same as that of Sydney), compared with the Main Land - Australia's - of almost 17 million. However there is absolutely NO reason for these aggressive, pug-like characteristics to surface...especially noticeable in mixed company!
[quote]My understanding is that Aussies - our fine trans Tasman friends - can work in NZ in any job as of right , per govt to govt agreements - if this is the case, an employer cannot legally prefer a Kiwi over an Aussie??<hr></blockquote>
...as is similarly the case with Kiwis who come to Australia to work and live. So what is the point in making this statement, which has been a long-standing agreement, and well-known by citizens on both sides of the Ditch?!
[quote]Correct me if I'm wrong please anyone - our problem in NZ is that we make agreements and then - horrors - HONOUR THEM!!<hr></blockquote>
..rather a broad, sweeping statement, isn't it? I'm afraid that I can NOT agree with you there from some very recent financial dealings I've experienced with N.Z.'ers.
So please stand corrected!
[quote]...similarly with putting restrictions/conditions after the fact on QF ops within NZ - it wouldn't be "right" - so we don't do it - regrettably, our friends across the Tasman in West Island, politically, at least, have no qualms about unilaterally abrogating agreements - admittedly in the perceived best interests of Aust and Australians, which is understandable - just dishonest<hr></blockquote>
...why even a FELLOW N.Z'er has answered this for you, when #1AHRS asked this question:
"Folks am I reading Kaptin M correctly or what? Is it his perception that Qantas is going to NZ in some form of benevolence? Last time I looked at Qantas they were a business and that would tend to suggest that they are going there for reasons other than to give some Kiwi's a good deal on travel and give some pilots a job
Perhaps you two should correspond by email to save writing conflicting posts!
And finally, this gem:
[quote]however, I don't disagree that the "playing field" SHOULD be levelled - but legally and by formal agreement - the NZ way.<hr></blockquote>
[ 18 January 2002: Message edited by: Kaptin M ]</p>
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How's this for a scenario.
Dixon pops across the ditch to see Cullen (Minister of Finance), to see if the govt is willing to sell its share of Air NZ (83%) to Qantas.
Cullen says, "**** off".
Dixon says, "Righto son, I'm going to bring the might of my airline down on you and thump you".
Cullen says, "Bring it on, and while you're about it, make sure you hire some Kiwis, that way you shaft us in fair way".
I think that the only reason that Qantas is going to hire Kiwis, is that the politicians have done a deal.
I could be wrong. I've been known to be in the past.
By the way; this aussie versus Kiwi crap bores me. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Dixon pops across the ditch to see Cullen (Minister of Finance), to see if the govt is willing to sell its share of Air NZ (83%) to Qantas.
Cullen says, "**** off".
Dixon says, "Righto son, I'm going to bring the might of my airline down on you and thump you".
Cullen says, "Bring it on, and while you're about it, make sure you hire some Kiwis, that way you shaft us in fair way".
I think that the only reason that Qantas is going to hire Kiwis, is that the politicians have done a deal.
I could be wrong. I've been known to be in the past.
By the way; this aussie versus Kiwi crap bores me. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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nzer,
A little history lesson for you. Until the industrial troubles in the 90s AirNZ did discriminate against Australian pilots. You would not have found one Australian pilot in AirNZ prior to that. The only reason there are a few Australian pilots in AirNZ was a result of the industrial turmoil in AirNZ.
When AN set up Ansett NZ employment was open to everyone, mostly kiwis. There were a few Australians but not a great number.
When AirNz was going to fly within Australia can you answer honestly that they would have made jobs available to Australian pilots? We all know what the answer is.
So you had it all the NZ way for all those years prior to the 90s. Throughout those times kiwis were able to get jobs in Australia without similar discrimination.
Short memoties are convenient.
A little history lesson for you. Until the industrial troubles in the 90s AirNZ did discriminate against Australian pilots. You would not have found one Australian pilot in AirNZ prior to that. The only reason there are a few Australian pilots in AirNZ was a result of the industrial turmoil in AirNZ.
When AN set up Ansett NZ employment was open to everyone, mostly kiwis. There were a few Australians but not a great number.
When AirNz was going to fly within Australia can you answer honestly that they would have made jobs available to Australian pilots? We all know what the answer is.
So you had it all the NZ way for all those years prior to the 90s. Throughout those times kiwis were able to get jobs in Australia without similar discrimination.
Short memoties are convenient.
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I agree that this Aussie v Kiwi crap is getting out of hand. Reminds me of two squabbling cousins who are just about to stop talking to each other over percieved wrongs.
Bit of perspective here people, doesn't matter what the ratio of popualtions is; collectively we amount to less than half of one percent of the worlds population, stuck at the @rse end of the world and the sooner we concentrate on our common links rather than these petty differences, the better off we both will be.... But you kiwis really do need to ditch Red Helen... geez
Bit of perspective here people, doesn't matter what the ratio of popualtions is; collectively we amount to less than half of one percent of the worlds population, stuck at the @rse end of the world and the sooner we concentrate on our common links rather than these petty differences, the better off we both will be.... But you kiwis really do need to ditch Red Helen... geez
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[quote]I agree that this Aussie v Kiwi crap is getting out of hand. Reminds me of two squabbling cousins who are just about to stop talking to each other over percieved wrongs.<hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but ain't it fun!!!
Yeah, but ain't it fun!!!
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Training Manager: Impulse...Kiwi
3 more Kiwis were checked out on the 717 in June 2000. That made 4 out of the first 12 Direct entry Capts to Impulse were Kiwis...
By the way-All top blokes.
I hope QF does send the 717 to NZ. Damn good A/C for the job.
They might make some money instead of using the 737's with the expensive drivers.
3 more Kiwis were checked out on the 717 in June 2000. That made 4 out of the first 12 Direct entry Capts to Impulse were Kiwis...
By the way-All top blokes.
I hope QF does send the 717 to NZ. Damn good A/C for the job.
They might make some money instead of using the 737's with the expensive drivers.
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Come on, Four Points. What sort of insult is that? I know you can do better - I've seen it with my own eyes.
How about next time you REALLY want to hurt Impulse employees you call them "poo-heads" or "dum-dums". I bet they wouldn't know how to respond to that kind of ascerbic wit!
Consider changing your name to "Hissyfit". That way we can all have a good chuckle at your name as well as the content of your posts. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
How about next time you REALLY want to hurt Impulse employees you call them "poo-heads" or "dum-dums". I bet they wouldn't know how to respond to that kind of ascerbic wit!
Consider changing your name to "Hissyfit". That way we can all have a good chuckle at your name as well as the content of your posts. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
