AirNZ / Ansett thread rebooted again
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AirNZ / Ansett thread rebooted again
Well I don't expect any more real news until Thursday. Hang in there you guys.
lame you've been slack lately, where are you?
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lame you've been slack lately, where are you?
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Is this all part of a big plan by SQ & VB (AKA VS) to get a good deal out in Australia, QF are not really in a financial position to take on all this (AN fleet + debts). The only airline that has a bank balance big enough to deal with this is SQ.
Best of luck to all AN employee's (a family member of mine works there too), worrying times for you all and I hope it all turn's out OK.
Best of luck to all AN employee's (a family member of mine works there too), worrying times for you all and I hope it all turn's out OK.
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Some have mentioned here that Virgin may be interested in Ansett and incorparating the two fleets together, making Ansett the low cost carrier and Virgin Blue to become a Pacific Internation service to its European counterparts.
Just some shooting in the dark from me but when entering the URL: http://www.virginpacific.com it autmatically redirected me to http://www.virgin.com which is the main website for all Virgin products. Could this be part of RB's plans to introduce a "Virgin Pacific" service with what he gets out of Ansett? Or would he be planning it anyway, whether or not he got any or all of Ansett. I also know it could be a way of combatting the cyber squatters that exist on the Net.
Any comments??? It may be a bit far fetched but as we've seen anything is possible in our industry.
Just some shooting in the dark from me but when entering the URL: http://www.virginpacific.com it autmatically redirected me to http://www.virgin.com which is the main website for all Virgin products. Could this be part of RB's plans to introduce a "Virgin Pacific" service with what he gets out of Ansett? Or would he be planning it anyway, whether or not he got any or all of Ansett. I also know it could be a way of combatting the cyber squatters that exist on the Net.
Any comments??? It may be a bit far fetched but as we've seen anything is possible in our industry.
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WELLINGTON, Sept 11 NZPA - Budget airline Virgin Blue won't be
coming to New Zealand this year.
The Air New Zealand-Ansett Australia debacle has got Virgin Blue
focused on its position in the Australian market, where Ansett's
ranking as the No 2 player heavyweight to Qantas has been
undermined.
Virgin Blue spokesman David Huttner, speaking from Australia
this morning, said the airline wouldn't be flying to New Zealand
or on regional routes this year.
"We still want to fly in New Zealand but it won't be in the
immediate future," he said.
Mr Huttner hoped it could be next year, but that would be the
earliest.
Virgin hadn't gone cold on the idea, he said, despite its New
Zealand-based representative, Mark Siladi, resigning recently to
work for an Internet travel company in Hong Kong.
Virgin Blue had hoped to begin flying to New Zealand in November
but also wants to fly trans-Tasman and for that it needs approval
from the Australian and New Zealand governments .
New Zealand Transport Minister Mark Gosche said Virgin Blue's
proposal to fly here was still being worked on. Virgin Blue had
been planning a small start-up operation.
Virgin showed interest in New Zealand after Qantas NZ collapsed
in April, owing more than $100 million.
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coming to New Zealand this year.
The Air New Zealand-Ansett Australia debacle has got Virgin Blue
focused on its position in the Australian market, where Ansett's
ranking as the No 2 player heavyweight to Qantas has been
undermined.
Virgin Blue spokesman David Huttner, speaking from Australia
this morning, said the airline wouldn't be flying to New Zealand
or on regional routes this year.
"We still want to fly in New Zealand but it won't be in the
immediate future," he said.
Mr Huttner hoped it could be next year, but that would be the
earliest.
Virgin hadn't gone cold on the idea, he said, despite its New
Zealand-based representative, Mark Siladi, resigning recently to
work for an Internet travel company in Hong Kong.
Virgin Blue had hoped to begin flying to New Zealand in November
but also wants to fly trans-Tasman and for that it needs approval
from the Australian and New Zealand governments .
New Zealand Transport Minister Mark Gosche said Virgin Blue's
proposal to fly here was still being worked on. Virgin Blue had
been planning a small start-up operation.
Virgin showed interest in New Zealand after Qantas NZ collapsed
in April, owing more than $100 million.
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BRISBANE (Dow Jones)--Virgin Blue chief executive Brett Godfrey said Tuesday the discount carrier has made a submission to the Australian government and the competition regulator which could result in it taking control of 10 fully-crewed Ansett planes, representing about 1,000 people.
Godfrey said at a media briefing that Virgin Blue's submission focused on operating some Ansett regional routes but depended on the officials implementing some form of control which would prevent predatory competitive behavior from Qantas Airways Ltd. (A.QAN).
He said if Ansett does fold or is broken up, Qantas will have 93% of the domestic market. Virgin Blue, which launched in August last year, has about seven percent and Ansett, a unit of Air New Zealand Ltd.(A.AIZ) has about 38%. 11/09/01 04-54G
Godfrey said at a media briefing that Virgin Blue's submission focused on operating some Ansett regional routes but depended on the officials implementing some form of control which would prevent predatory competitive behavior from Qantas Airways Ltd. (A.QAN).
He said if Ansett does fold or is broken up, Qantas will have 93% of the domestic market. Virgin Blue, which launched in August last year, has about seven percent and Ansett, a unit of Air New Zealand Ltd.(A.AIZ) has about 38%. 11/09/01 04-54G
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Just heard that Bob Hawke has got a consortium together. The board is a veritable who's who of the aviation business and chaired by the late Sir peter Abeles.
It's called NostalgAir.
They've committed to buy 6 old C130's from the RAAF and bring back the good old days of in-flight service from 1989 when the best wasn't quite good enough....ear muffs.
It's called NostalgAir.
They've committed to buy 6 old C130's from the RAAF and bring back the good old days of in-flight service from 1989 when the best wasn't quite good enough....ear muffs.
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Hey GoGirl I never knew SQ lost interest or left. Look at what they do, not what they say.
The Doctor is a very smart cookie, and he NEEDS AN international for it's landing rights, and wants AN domestic for the feed to SQ now and the Kangaroo route and SIN tourist trade in a few years when longer range a/c start to by pass asia on the way to the yoookay.
The Doctor is a very smart cookie, and he NEEDS AN international for it's landing rights, and wants AN domestic for the feed to SQ now and the Kangaroo route and SIN tourist trade in a few years when longer range a/c start to by pass asia on the way to the yoookay.
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Opps, I forgot to repeat my earlier statements about the Aust govt. They can NOT afford for AN to go under in an election year. Just no way.
Keep the chin up gurlz 'n boyz.
lame.........lame.......... LAME.......... L A M E
gawd he's hopeless!
Keep the chin up gurlz 'n boyz.
lame.........lame.......... LAME.......... L A M E
gawd he's hopeless!
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I agree Feeton
I do not believe the Oz Government will allow a total collapse of Ansett in this Election year.
However I think it is foolish to expect Ansett to survive in its current guise. That will NOT happen.
Ansett Connection: Interested Observer and Owner of many Ansett Frequent Flyer Points.
I do not believe the Oz Government will allow a total collapse of Ansett in this Election year.
However I think it is foolish to expect Ansett to survive in its current guise. That will NOT happen.
Ansett Connection: Interested Observer and Owner of many Ansett Frequent Flyer Points.
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Well there's a silver lining in every cloud and with any luck the little silver budgie will lose his Lifetime Golden Wing privileges in the restructure and have to sit with those of whom he professed to have a love affair.
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And while all this is going on, what are the respective Federal & State Transport Minister's doing ? well, they're "writing to each other" that's what, snail mail !
We have a disaster of epic proportions unfolding on an hourly basis & they're "writing to each other." By the time they receive each other's snail mail it'll be all over one way or another & undoubtedly for one of them also.
We have a disaster of epic proportions unfolding on an hourly basis & they're "writing to each other." By the time they receive each other's snail mail it'll be all over one way or another & undoubtedly for one of them also.
Qantas has decided not to buy into Ansett - basically could not risk the extra financial burden.
Another door closes
Statement by Qantas Airways Limited
Sydney, 12 September 2001 :
Qantas Airways Limited said today it had decided against purchasing the assets of the Air New Zealand subsidiary Ansett Airlines.
On Monday, Qantas was asked by the Board of Air New Zealand if it wanted to buy Ansett Australia and Ansett International Airlines and associated businesses.
After discussions with the Australian Government and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Qantas undertook an examination of the Ansett Group of Companies yesterday.
Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Geoff Dixon, said Qantas had looked closely at Ansett in the limited time available.
"While understanding the difficulties facing Ansett staff, we could not, in any way, find a way to go forward with a purchase. Ansett's problems are far too great for Qantas to take on," he said.
Qantas Chairman, Margaret Jackson, said the Board of Qantas had met three times in the past three days to consider the purchase.
"This has been a difficult decision because of the national interest issues. However, the Board was conscious of its responsibility to Qantas shareholders and staff and the economics of the proposal.
"While we would have liked to have assisted in keeping Ansett flying in some form, the implications for our own balance sheet and future profitability must come first," she said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas was appreciative of the assistance provided by the Australian Government and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in its deliberations.
"Both the Government and the ACCC were supportive but in the end we felt such an acquisition would be a negative for Qantas," he said.
Another door closes
Statement by Qantas Airways Limited
Sydney, 12 September 2001 :
Qantas Airways Limited said today it had decided against purchasing the assets of the Air New Zealand subsidiary Ansett Airlines.
On Monday, Qantas was asked by the Board of Air New Zealand if it wanted to buy Ansett Australia and Ansett International Airlines and associated businesses.
After discussions with the Australian Government and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Qantas undertook an examination of the Ansett Group of Companies yesterday.
Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Geoff Dixon, said Qantas had looked closely at Ansett in the limited time available.
"While understanding the difficulties facing Ansett staff, we could not, in any way, find a way to go forward with a purchase. Ansett's problems are far too great for Qantas to take on," he said.
Qantas Chairman, Margaret Jackson, said the Board of Qantas had met three times in the past three days to consider the purchase.
"This has been a difficult decision because of the national interest issues. However, the Board was conscious of its responsibility to Qantas shareholders and staff and the economics of the proposal.
"While we would have liked to have assisted in keeping Ansett flying in some form, the implications for our own balance sheet and future profitability must come first," she said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas was appreciative of the assistance provided by the Australian Government and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in its deliberations.
"Both the Government and the ACCC were supportive but in the end we felt such an acquisition would be a negative for Qantas," he said.