AN A320 crew layoffs?
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What we all do need is some certainty and stability - and soon. Too damned many people in limbo.
Thank you all for the ranking - I am far from convinced it is deserved - but thanks for putting up with an involved ground-hog. I will try to earn it friends.
Our corner of the industry is very ugly at the moment too - we (touch wood) are safe but i learned today a direct competitor in Sydney in one of our niche markets is $700,000 in the red.
Not pretty.
Our regional mates are also a worry with no solid buyers on the books - increasing good loads without break- even yield by a longshot and ZL in a much bigger ditch than KD.
What in hell do we do?
EWL
(editied because I am rattled!!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> )
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Thank you all for the ranking - I am far from convinced it is deserved - but thanks for putting up with an involved ground-hog. I will try to earn it friends.
Our corner of the industry is very ugly at the moment too - we (touch wood) are safe but i learned today a direct competitor in Sydney in one of our niche markets is $700,000 in the red.
Not pretty.
Our regional mates are also a worry with no solid buyers on the books - increasing good loads without break- even yield by a longshot and ZL in a much bigger ditch than KD.
What in hell do we do?
EWL
(editied because I am rattled!!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> )
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Tesna wishing to sit down and personally "interview" redundant A320 crews is an interesting development.
One wonders why???
Could it be a subtle warning and reflection on what has gone before?
I personally hope it might be a case of offering future dirrection - but with the new Management trying to put out potential bushfire hazards and shutting down negative publicity I think not.
Too damned many hidden intern and personal agendas running as there always are in a restructure.
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EWL
One wonders why???
Could it be a subtle warning and reflection on what has gone before?
I personally hope it might be a case of offering future dirrection - but with the new Management trying to put out potential bushfire hazards and shutting down negative publicity I think not.
Too damned many hidden intern and personal agendas running as there always are in a restructure.
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My guess as to the reason for the "personal interviews" (reminds me of Abeles offer to us - "to meet with me in small groups of around 4 or 5"...slimeball!) is because of the threat of investigation and possible legal action by the "culled" pilots, on the pretence of selecting pilots for the second intake.
The (subtle) inference at the personal interviews will be, "those who are involved in any legal action would have a lesser chance of getting a job."
Boy oh boy, did you guys ever NEED a REAL union to protect you from exactly what has, and is, happening.
The (subtle) inference at the personal interviews will be, "those who are involved in any legal action would have a lesser chance of getting a job."
Boy oh boy, did you guys ever NEED a REAL union to protect you from exactly what has, and is, happening.
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Great start for the new Ansett. Get rid of type rated people and spend $4,000,000 in training costs. If they can make 10% margin on their operation(fat chance), then this will take $40,000,000 of turnover to recover.
These people must have plenty of cash to burn or they are stupid.
These people must have plenty of cash to burn or they are stupid.
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you have been close to the mark,keep digging for those of us who can`t say too much at present.
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SOS APA Committee(save our skins),blackbanned,majority not type rated.Yet 170 Airbus pilots keep their jobs and 170 of the others get theirs.Balanced and fair?
The training costs to Tesna are far outweighed by the slashing of pilot conditions and the now apparent capitulation of APA at every turn.
F/A award available now,could someone please display the contract,rumour being the FAA has managed to ensure their cabin managers have better conditions than F/Os.
you have been close to the mark,keep digging for those of us who can`t say too much at present.
Far Canard
SOS APA Committee(save our skins),blackbanned,majority not type rated.Yet 170 Airbus pilots keep their jobs and 170 of the others get theirs.Balanced and fair?
The training costs to Tesna are far outweighed by the slashing of pilot conditions and the now apparent capitulation of APA at every turn.
F/A award available now,could someone please display the contract,rumour being the FAA has managed to ensure their cabin managers have better conditions than F/Os.
Kaptin_X. Yes, I forgot about ..... ..... the wine merchant who had a large number of grand mothers pass away.
The 'skirt' got to see Abeles and 'broke down'.
Some of the ground staff who are now ex AN have some interesting stories to tell re the events of '89.
The 'skirt' got to see Abeles and 'broke down'.
Some of the ground staff who are now ex AN have some interesting stories to tell re the events of '89.
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From past experience, and what is happening now it looks like the APA and the AFAP (wasn't it) before them are about as much use as the Federated Clerks Union.
None. What is their problem?
EWL
None. What is their problem?
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AN availabilities in Sabre are showing a message at the top that all tickets past 31JAN02 are cash guaranteed. I think this not to be a wise ideain some ways but it is good to know. The problem is when a psgr is advised of this the obvious question is will another airline then honour the ticket or will I have to pay more.
Of course nobody is saying.
Just another cog in a wheel that is trying desperately to become pear shaped.
Totally off topic - does anyone know if a 733 or something similar was chartered of a 1500ish service MELHBA today?
The contrails were definitely divided and silhouette was not 717. Could not pick if there was any red on the rump as it was a tiny bit hazy.
EWL
Of course nobody is saying.
Just another cog in a wheel that is trying desperately to become pear shaped.
Totally off topic - does anyone know if a 733 or something similar was chartered of a 1500ish service MELHBA today?
The contrails were definitely divided and silhouette was not 717. Could not pick if there was any red on the rump as it was a tiny bit hazy.
EWL
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I managed to obtain a clarification today that hasn't been widespred or very public as us leeches have been out of the loop so long I think we have been forgotten.
Ticket price refund is guaranteed on AN/KD until advised otherwise.
That is nice and makes AN #3 much easier to sell.
What isn't nice is the letter from Admin stating (and detailing) what we owe them for the revenue held by and returned by IATA for the week leading up to SEP 13.
I apologise if I overstep is some people's eyes but we are deducting the Ansett Holidays credit card transactions and air ticket revenues that were charged through our EFTPOS machine from what they want.
These have been debitied back to us as we charged the credit card and are merely the middleman for a failed business. It was Ansett that failed to deliver the product - not us.
This will leave them owing us money as the revenue debited back to us exceeds what Iata sent back.
They can go pound wet sand up their miserable butts before we will pay out on this one.
I also have half a mind to invoice them for the many extra hours that my staff and I spent patching up the mess for our clients.
Reading this Admin?????/
Bite me!
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Ticket price refund is guaranteed on AN/KD until advised otherwise.
That is nice and makes AN #3 much easier to sell.
What isn't nice is the letter from Admin stating (and detailing) what we owe them for the revenue held by and returned by IATA for the week leading up to SEP 13.
I apologise if I overstep is some people's eyes but we are deducting the Ansett Holidays credit card transactions and air ticket revenues that were charged through our EFTPOS machine from what they want.
These have been debitied back to us as we charged the credit card and are merely the middleman for a failed business. It was Ansett that failed to deliver the product - not us.
This will leave them owing us money as the revenue debited back to us exceeds what Iata sent back.
They can go pound wet sand up their miserable butts before we will pay out on this one.
I also have half a mind to invoice them for the many extra hours that my staff and I spent patching up the mess for our clients.
Reading this Admin?????/
Bite me!
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I should clarify.
By admin I do not mean our mate Woomera. Imean the blood sucking Andersen leeches.
A good friend and excellent operator at an AN regional referred to their installed head receiver as a lazy fat useless b@atard.
I respect his opinion. Recievers a 3 steps below auditors - 3 HUGE steps!!!!!!!!
My spaniel Meggie has much more intelligence - and she is a wonderful person too.
EWL
By admin I do not mean our mate Woomera. Imean the blood sucking Andersen leeches.
A good friend and excellent operator at an AN regional referred to their installed head receiver as a lazy fat useless b@atard.
I respect his opinion. Recievers a 3 steps below auditors - 3 HUGE steps!!!!!!!!
My spaniel Meggie has much more intelligence - and she is a wonderful person too.
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from the newspaper article back at the beginning,
Ansett sources said employees were grounded to ensure disgruntled pilots were not flying.
What about "disgruntled flight attendants and engineers" how come they're still working until 31st January.
Ansett sources said employees were grounded to ensure disgruntled pilots were not flying.
What about "disgruntled flight attendants and engineers" how come they're still working until 31st January.
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Am I the only person with a very strong suspicion that after Jan 31st, when the capital city AN terminals are safely transferred to a separate company that has NOTHING to do with Tesna except to be its landlord, Lindsay and Solomon will find some ‘perfectly reasonable’ reason not to continue with the establishment of a ‘new’ AN? The AOC will be ‘unreasonably’ delayed by CASA, or the leasing agreements will fall through because of ‘unreasonable’ demands by the lessors, or the ‘unreasonable’ demands by AN staff will force them to reconsider their options – any reason but one that can be laid at Lindsay or Solomon’s feet.
Maybe they’ll even let the operation run for a short time until one of these ‘outside influences’ will cause them to shut the operation down, but my suspicion is that L & S will be left with some prime real estate/leaseholds in their separate company, and everyone else involved, particularly the staff and creditors, with be left with little else but egg on their collective faces.
If my suspicions prove to be even a little correct, it will mean the current back stabbing by the inner circle to keep themselves in work at the expense of people more qualified for the A320 jobs will have been for naught. Although I suppose they'll have scored themselves a freebie endorsement, making themselves more saleaable on the world market.
Maybe they’ll even let the operation run for a short time until one of these ‘outside influences’ will cause them to shut the operation down, but my suspicion is that L & S will be left with some prime real estate/leaseholds in their separate company, and everyone else involved, particularly the staff and creditors, with be left with little else but egg on their collective faces.
If my suspicions prove to be even a little correct, it will mean the current back stabbing by the inner circle to keep themselves in work at the expense of people more qualified for the A320 jobs will have been for naught. Although I suppose they'll have scored themselves a freebie endorsement, making themselves more saleaable on the world market.
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The only thorn in your suggestion is that FLEW will then have to cough up $240 million to pay out the returned employees entitlements.As yet this hasn't been finalised but this is one that the Unions will not let slip through.
That being the case it makes the thought of all this being a facade, unlikely.
The only thorn in your suggestion is that FLEW will then have to cough up $240 million to pay out the returned employees entitlements.As yet this hasn't been finalised but this is one that the Unions will not let slip through.
That being the case it makes the thought of all this being a facade, unlikely.
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I do think there may be a hidden agenda here - and hope to hell I am wrong. Now is the precisely archetypal wrong time to be investing in an airline - albeit a former great one.
Do not lose sight of the force Luke - I feel it is strong in these two.
EWL
Do not lose sight of the force Luke - I feel it is strong in these two.
EWL
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Personally, I believe that FLEW are putting their cards on the table before they take control of the airline formerly known as Ansett.
No hidden agendas. The assets are to be transferred into separate companies and the "airline" (the leased aircraft) will be left to sink or swim entirely on its own.
If Ansett Mk3 goes down the chute, there will be Absolutely! ZILCH in tangible assets for creditors to access! And the ONLY thing that might have been worth something before - the name "Ansett" - would remain.
So the question after Feb 1 is going to be, "Can Ansett survive solely on pax/freight revenue, and which companies (fuel, travel agents, etc) are going to be willing to let Ansett trade on a credit basis?"
If the owners' (Fox/Lew) action of transferring property to other non-Ansett related companies are any indication of THEIR faith, then perhaps other current Ansett creditors should take a closer, deeper look at their prospects of recovery as well.
No hidden agendas. The assets are to be transferred into separate companies and the "airline" (the leased aircraft) will be left to sink or swim entirely on its own.
If Ansett Mk3 goes down the chute, there will be Absolutely! ZILCH in tangible assets for creditors to access! And the ONLY thing that might have been worth something before - the name "Ansett" - would remain.
So the question after Feb 1 is going to be, "Can Ansett survive solely on pax/freight revenue, and which companies (fuel, travel agents, etc) are going to be willing to let Ansett trade on a credit basis?"
If the owners' (Fox/Lew) action of transferring property to other non-Ansett related companies are any indication of THEIR faith, then perhaps other current Ansett creditors should take a closer, deeper look at their prospects of recovery as well.