Qantas And The A320's.......????
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Qantas And The A320's.......????
On the news this morning, I see that Qantas and the Ansett Administrators have still not reached agreement over the wet lease of the A320s.
Interestingly though, I have received this morning information from outside Australia, that expertise is being brought in to Australia to set up an A320 operation for Qantas?
The rumour is it will involve Australian Pilots and Engineers once up and running though, if anyone has concerns in that regard.
What is going on????????????
Interestingly though, I have received this morning information from outside Australia, that expertise is being brought in to Australia to set up an A320 operation for Qantas?
The rumour is it will involve Australian Pilots and Engineers once up and running though, if anyone has concerns in that regard.
What is going on????????????
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Dixon and Qantas are playing a waiting game.
I would be surprised if this "lease" ever goes ahead. Lots of talk but no action.
QF want to start this operation in their own right, well removed from any connection with AN.
Any ex AN crews that may fly initially on this new operation would only be employed at the bottom of the QF list.
That's the reality unfortunately.
I would be surprised if this "lease" ever goes ahead. Lots of talk but no action.
QF want to start this operation in their own right, well removed from any connection with AN.
Any ex AN crews that may fly initially on this new operation would only be employed at the bottom of the QF list.
That's the reality unfortunately.
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I would suggest that IF QF took on AN A320's in their own right, they would be
A; run in a seperate low cost outfit and
B; crewed by current crew on new contracts similar to Impulse.
Dont for a second think they would become mainline aircraft to be crewed according to QF seniorority. This is too good an opportunity for QF to pass up.
A; run in a seperate low cost outfit and
B; crewed by current crew on new contracts similar to Impulse.
Dont for a second think they would become mainline aircraft to be crewed according to QF seniorority. This is too good an opportunity for QF to pass up.
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The last thing I wanted to do, was to start an argument, IF they are wet leases this problem would NOT be there anyway?
The information (rumour) I received was that once running it would have Australians as Pilots and Engineers, didn't actually say ex-Ansett, so it could be wet lease using ex-Ansett people, OR they may be starting an A320 operation of their own (Qantas) and employing extra Pilots and Engineers? I do not know which, that is what I was trying to find out?????
Also forgot to mention before, rumour was 20 A320s, not 10 as has been discussed?????
The information (rumour) I received was that once running it would have Australians as Pilots and Engineers, didn't actually say ex-Ansett, so it could be wet lease using ex-Ansett people, OR they may be starting an A320 operation of their own (Qantas) and employing extra Pilots and Engineers? I do not know which, that is what I was trying to find out?????
Also forgot to mention before, rumour was 20 A320s, not 10 as has been discussed?????
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I put this in some other thread but may be more suited here.
Just to throw another spanner in the works, what has CASA said about all this??
Part of the requirements for holding an AOC is that the company has to be financially secure/viable or words to that effect.
So do Ansett still have an AOC?
Has CASA given them some sort of exemption at the direction of the government?
Is this one of the things causing delays?
Will Qantas get the A320 on their AOC and eventually select the Ansett pilots they want to crew the A320 after they go through the recruitment process and become part of the T&C system?
Will they become the next National Jet/Impulse and get the own AOC under a different name?
Any ideas?!?!
Just to throw another spanner in the works, what has CASA said about all this??
Part of the requirements for holding an AOC is that the company has to be financially secure/viable or words to that effect.
So do Ansett still have an AOC?
Has CASA given them some sort of exemption at the direction of the government?
Is this one of the things causing delays?
Will Qantas get the A320 on their AOC and eventually select the Ansett pilots they want to crew the A320 after they go through the recruitment process and become part of the T&C system?
Will they become the next National Jet/Impulse and get the own AOC under a different name?
Any ideas?!?!
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QF is also being courted by Boeing for new equipment orders. I have written on this in another topic. But also going the rounds is for QF to take some 10-15% of the 200 A320'S that BA have on order. The currency is more attractive visa vi Euro against USD. Boeing are certainly sharpening the pencil on price. The only winner her will be QF
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Quite the opposite - If QF did put on any AN pilots, surely they would be placed on the very bottom of the list below all QF pilots (and that's fair enough).
The way round this is of course for a separate new self contained operation. Pilots employed direct. Is this the start of Australian Airlines ?
Quite the opposite - If QF did put on any AN pilots, surely they would be placed on the very bottom of the list below all QF pilots (and that's fair enough).
The way round this is of course for a separate new self contained operation. Pilots employed direct. Is this the start of Australian Airlines ?
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(QUOTE)
*Ansett-Qantas lease talks collapse*
Talks between Ansett's administrators and Qantas over the short-term
leasing of grounded jets have collapsed.
Qantas was poised to lease 10 of Ansett's A-320 jets for a period of at
least a week.
The proposed deal would have seen at least 1,500 Ansett employees return
to work.
However, Qantas has just announced it has not been able to reach
agreement with administrators Arthur Andersen.
The Federal Transport Minister, John Anderson, says the Government will
look for other options to ensure Ansett's planes and crew fly again.
"It is my understanding that negotiations between Qantas and the
administrator over attempts to build extra capacity based on the use of
Ansett planes have come to an end," Mr Anderson said.
"Beyond that what I would want is.... [the] best possible outcome from
unfortunate situation."
(END QUOTE)
Yes as someone already said the wet leases are off.
Cannot help wondering though if they were ever serious about leasing them, in view of the information mentioned previously on this thread?
The Ansett aircraft can be repossesed soon, wonder if Qantas will then bring in these 20 A320s, NOT wet leased, but will be theirs I guess??
*Ansett-Qantas lease talks collapse*
Talks between Ansett's administrators and Qantas over the short-term
leasing of grounded jets have collapsed.
Qantas was poised to lease 10 of Ansett's A-320 jets for a period of at
least a week.
The proposed deal would have seen at least 1,500 Ansett employees return
to work.
However, Qantas has just announced it has not been able to reach
agreement with administrators Arthur Andersen.
The Federal Transport Minister, John Anderson, says the Government will
look for other options to ensure Ansett's planes and crew fly again.
"It is my understanding that negotiations between Qantas and the
administrator over attempts to build extra capacity based on the use of
Ansett planes have come to an end," Mr Anderson said.
"Beyond that what I would want is.... [the] best possible outcome from
unfortunate situation."
(END QUOTE)
Yes as someone already said the wet leases are off.
Cannot help wondering though if they were ever serious about leasing them, in view of the information mentioned previously on this thread?
The Ansett aircraft can be repossesed soon, wonder if Qantas will then bring in these 20 A320s, NOT wet leased, but will be theirs I guess??
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LAME et al:- More than ever I'm convinced that QF had no intention whatever of leasing AN A320s, and that their only aim was to delay any possible negotiations with other interested parties until the a/c owners/lessors began to reclaim their assets. The repeated moving of the goalposts by QF when a lease agreement seemed close is testament to my belief, and confirms that Mr. Dixon's agenda is to bury AN for all time. It's that simple, and ALWAYS has been.
I'm aware that there is a body of opinion out there that AN is already buried, and I don't want to enter into any discussion to the contrary, merely to emphasise that my long-held opinion is, at last, being borne out.
Perfidious QF, may your management, and that of equally perfidious ANZ, rot in Hell for eternity.
Regards to everyone else,
TheNightOwl.
I'm aware that there is a body of opinion out there that AN is already buried, and I don't want to enter into any discussion to the contrary, merely to emphasise that my long-held opinion is, at last, being borne out.
Perfidious QF, may your management, and that of equally perfidious ANZ, rot in Hell for eternity.
Regards to everyone else,
TheNightOwl.
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Personally, I believe that the logistics of the now defunct Ansett Australia managing a wet lease are simply not possible. AWAS possibly.
As time draws on, more and more Ansett staff will find the necessity to obtain an income a priority, and with that, the unravelling of Ansett from the inside as staff can no longer afford to wait around on the offchance that they might be one of the lucky ones to score a job, IF Ansett re-started.
Externally, the payments for the aircraft leasing are due NOW, and the confidence of travellers, in Ansett, completely shattered because of zero services being operated by them.
The rolling stone, representing Ansett's final demise, gathers momentum and size daily.
Perhaps the indication by QF, that they MIGHT take some Ansett aircraft and crew was merely a pacifier to stick in the ACTU's gob!
As time draws on, more and more Ansett staff will find the necessity to obtain an income a priority, and with that, the unravelling of Ansett from the inside as staff can no longer afford to wait around on the offchance that they might be one of the lucky ones to score a job, IF Ansett re-started.
Externally, the payments for the aircraft leasing are due NOW, and the confidence of travellers, in Ansett, completely shattered because of zero services being operated by them.
The rolling stone, representing Ansett's final demise, gathers momentum and size daily.
Perhaps the indication by QF, that they MIGHT take some Ansett aircraft and crew was merely a pacifier to stick in the ACTU's gob!
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Qantas has a responsibility to shareholders, staff, and it's customers to run it's business under the rules of good corporate governance;it's not a charity.QF were serious about the leases but on it's terms.
Don't criticize QF for running it's business
properly,if Ansett had done so it might still be operating.Seems like people are trying to blame everyone else for Ansett's demise except Ansett.
Don't criticize QF for running it's business
properly,if Ansett had done so it might still be operating.Seems like people are trying to blame everyone else for Ansett's demise except Ansett.
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Sorry LAME. Was that 20 A320's or 20 different aircraft types??? 
Is there a record for the number of different types in a fleet? If it's not Ansett, who is it?
Is there a record for the number of different types in a fleet? If it's not Ansett, who is it?
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The media would have you believe that it was Fox et al who had the 'NEW' A320 brought out from Toulouse to show to the 'NEW' Ansett people.
The rumour mill around QF had it that Airbus had got wind that Boeing was offering VERY cheap 737s to QF and thought that they had better join the party.
Interesting that the 'NEW' A320 gets to Melbourne just a few days after an announcment by QF that they are looking at 15 new aeroplanes of a 737/A320 type!
The rumour mill around QF had it that Airbus had got wind that Boeing was offering VERY cheap 737s to QF and thought that they had better join the party.
Interesting that the 'NEW' A320 gets to Melbourne just a few days after an announcment by QF that they are looking at 15 new aeroplanes of a 737/A320 type!