Qantas And The A320's.......????
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Wow and it will solve the pilot surplus problem as well, what with navigator and FE requirements plus political commisar in addition to the Capt and FO.
And do like the sky blue instrument panel color scheme.
And do like the sky blue instrument panel color scheme.
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Did anyone else see the Russian Airliner parked at D13 in Melbourne Saturday morning ( next to the usual spot of Emirates)? I'm suspecting that the new Australian Airline base will be in Minsk. Whats that Russian currency exchange rate again?
Instead of G'day to a controller, it'll become Dasvadanya............
Instead of G'day to a controller, it'll become Dasvadanya............
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Comrade ELP, the 707ski has been parked in Melbourne for a couple fo weeks now.
Don't know any more about it. Perhaps Fox/Lew are incorporating it into their plans!!! 
[ 27 October 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
Don't know any more about it. Perhaps Fox/Lew are incorporating it into their plans!!!
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Well there you go.........
This is exactly the same arrangement that Qantas had in place with BA to take their A320s???? Seems they have gone back on that deal, and now done a similar deal with American and for B737s.........
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Qantas Buys Boeing 737-800s
Sydney, 28 October 2001 :
Qantas Airways Limited said today it had selected the Next Generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft to add immediate capacity to its Australian operations.
Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon said agreement had been reached for an initial order of 15 aircraft.
Options had been taken on another 60 aircraft to progressively replace existing 737-300 and 737-400 aircraft and to provide for growth.
The first aircraft would be in service in January. The remainder of the first 15 aircraft would be progressively introduced between February and July 2002.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had worked closely with Boeing and its oneworld™ alliance partner, American Airlines, to facilitate the speedy introduction of the aircraft.
The aircraft will come from existing orders that American Airlines had in place with Boeing.
"American Airlines will assist Qantas with technical advice, simulator training for pilots, spare parts and engines," he said.
Mr Dixon said the new aircraft would have Qantas interiors, more spacious cabins, more headroom and larger windows. They will be fitted progressively with new slimline seats.
The new aircraft will enable Qantas to meet the demand created by the collapse of Ansett Airlines and to provide for growth in all sections of the Australian tourism industry.
Mr Dixon confirmed that, as announced last week, the Boeing 737-800s would be the cornerstone of revamped Qantas domestic operations that will feature:
- the new aircraft, with an all economy class configuration of at least 165 seats, operating on services where there is small or no demand for business class travel;
- reconfiguration of a number of existing Qantas Boeing 737 aircraft to create a total fleet of about 40 all economy class aircraft;
- flights between Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane operated by larger, two class, wide body aircraft (Boeing 767s or Airbus A330s);
- regular two class Boeing 747 services between Perth and the East Coast of Australia and on long haul leisure routes;
- a significant increase in direct flights between capital cities with fewer stops at ports in between;
- an extension of the extremely successful Cityflyer service, which currently operates between Sydney and Melbourne, to Brisbane;
- expanded Qantas Club lounges;
- enhancement of the Frequent Flyer program with additional partners such as Diners Club.
Mr Dixon also announced that Qantas had decided to enter into a 10-year strategic alliance with American Airlines, the world's largest airline. Details of the agreement will be finalised in the next few weeks and will involve:
- Qantas using American Airlines specifications as standard for the replacement of the Qantas single aisle fleet (for example Boeing 737s), creating opportunities for short-term leasing between the airlines to cater for peaks and troughs in demand;
- Joint purchasing;
- Qantas progressively relocating to the American Airlines terminal at Los Angeles airport;
- Qantas commencing Auckland-Dallas-Auckland non-stop services when the new, long range Boeing 747-400 is delivered in late 2002. Dallas is a major worldwide hub for American Airlines, particularly to all major North American and South American cities;
- Expansion of the codeshare agreement between the two carriers;
- Expansion of the Frequent Flyer agreement.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had made a huge financial commitment to purchasing the new 737-800 aircraft despite real concerns about Government decisions to subsidise both the operations of Ansett Mark II and the expansion of Virgin Blue.
"As an airline, we have been outspoken against Government ownership of airlines, which is the ultimate form of subsidy in the international market," he said.
"We now see Governments and prospective Governments of all persuasions subsidising and proposing other assistance to our domestic competitors, one of which collapsed through management failures, overmanning and outmoded work practices.
"To subsidise particular airlines on selected routes will create distortions that could harm the industry for years to come.
"Using taxpayers' funds to prop up our rivals is the antithesis of what has been preached in Australia about competition in recent years," he said.
Mr Dixon said that after six years of very effective performance for Australia as a fully privatised company, it was not realistic to expect Qantas to prosper if its competition was subsidised.
"The national interest will not be served by limiting Qantas' chances of success in an attempt to artificially prop up less competitive players.
"Australia still has two domestic airlines and competition, capacity and a wide range of discount fares are re-emerging quickly," he said.
Mr Dixon said it was obvious to all observers that the industry needed to consolidate, and would indeed consolidate, and the practices that have hampered its development for years and harmed efficient carriers would only be further exacerbated by subsidies.
(END QUOTE)
Maybe this is why BA are reported to be keen to sell their holding in Qantas...
This is exactly the same arrangement that Qantas had in place with BA to take their A320s???? Seems they have gone back on that deal, and now done a similar deal with American and for B737s.........
(QUOTE)
Qantas Buys Boeing 737-800s
Sydney, 28 October 2001 :
Qantas Airways Limited said today it had selected the Next Generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft to add immediate capacity to its Australian operations.
Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon said agreement had been reached for an initial order of 15 aircraft.
Options had been taken on another 60 aircraft to progressively replace existing 737-300 and 737-400 aircraft and to provide for growth.
The first aircraft would be in service in January. The remainder of the first 15 aircraft would be progressively introduced between February and July 2002.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had worked closely with Boeing and its oneworld™ alliance partner, American Airlines, to facilitate the speedy introduction of the aircraft.
The aircraft will come from existing orders that American Airlines had in place with Boeing.
"American Airlines will assist Qantas with technical advice, simulator training for pilots, spare parts and engines," he said.
Mr Dixon said the new aircraft would have Qantas interiors, more spacious cabins, more headroom and larger windows. They will be fitted progressively with new slimline seats.
The new aircraft will enable Qantas to meet the demand created by the collapse of Ansett Airlines and to provide for growth in all sections of the Australian tourism industry.
Mr Dixon confirmed that, as announced last week, the Boeing 737-800s would be the cornerstone of revamped Qantas domestic operations that will feature:
- the new aircraft, with an all economy class configuration of at least 165 seats, operating on services where there is small or no demand for business class travel;
- reconfiguration of a number of existing Qantas Boeing 737 aircraft to create a total fleet of about 40 all economy class aircraft;
- flights between Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane operated by larger, two class, wide body aircraft (Boeing 767s or Airbus A330s);
- regular two class Boeing 747 services between Perth and the East Coast of Australia and on long haul leisure routes;
- a significant increase in direct flights between capital cities with fewer stops at ports in between;
- an extension of the extremely successful Cityflyer service, which currently operates between Sydney and Melbourne, to Brisbane;
- expanded Qantas Club lounges;
- enhancement of the Frequent Flyer program with additional partners such as Diners Club.
Mr Dixon also announced that Qantas had decided to enter into a 10-year strategic alliance with American Airlines, the world's largest airline. Details of the agreement will be finalised in the next few weeks and will involve:
- Qantas using American Airlines specifications as standard for the replacement of the Qantas single aisle fleet (for example Boeing 737s), creating opportunities for short-term leasing between the airlines to cater for peaks and troughs in demand;
- Joint purchasing;
- Qantas progressively relocating to the American Airlines terminal at Los Angeles airport;
- Qantas commencing Auckland-Dallas-Auckland non-stop services when the new, long range Boeing 747-400 is delivered in late 2002. Dallas is a major worldwide hub for American Airlines, particularly to all major North American and South American cities;
- Expansion of the codeshare agreement between the two carriers;
- Expansion of the Frequent Flyer agreement.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had made a huge financial commitment to purchasing the new 737-800 aircraft despite real concerns about Government decisions to subsidise both the operations of Ansett Mark II and the expansion of Virgin Blue.
"As an airline, we have been outspoken against Government ownership of airlines, which is the ultimate form of subsidy in the international market," he said.
"We now see Governments and prospective Governments of all persuasions subsidising and proposing other assistance to our domestic competitors, one of which collapsed through management failures, overmanning and outmoded work practices.
"To subsidise particular airlines on selected routes will create distortions that could harm the industry for years to come.
"Using taxpayers' funds to prop up our rivals is the antithesis of what has been preached in Australia about competition in recent years," he said.
Mr Dixon said that after six years of very effective performance for Australia as a fully privatised company, it was not realistic to expect Qantas to prosper if its competition was subsidised.
"The national interest will not be served by limiting Qantas' chances of success in an attempt to artificially prop up less competitive players.
"Australia still has two domestic airlines and competition, capacity and a wide range of discount fares are re-emerging quickly," he said.
Mr Dixon said it was obvious to all observers that the industry needed to consolidate, and would indeed consolidate, and the practices that have hampered its development for years and harmed efficient carriers would only be further exacerbated by subsidies.
(END QUOTE)
Maybe this is why BA are reported to be keen to sell their holding in Qantas...
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LAME.
I find the wilkinson sword range an excellent choice for slicing through tough skin in the wrist vicinity. I'm sure your "friend" would appreciate a clean cut!!
It seems my source was on the ball though. 200 or so MEL LAME's doing 73NG courses was a bit of a gimme! (If only that bluddy search engine worked)
I find the wilkinson sword range an excellent choice for slicing through tough skin in the wrist vicinity. I'm sure your "friend" would appreciate a clean cut!!
It seems my source was on the ball though. 200 or so MEL LAME's doing 73NG courses was a bit of a gimme! (If only that bluddy search engine worked)
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Buster,
Yes, the info WAS correct at the time apparently, it would appear that Qantas have double crossed BA...
The now officially announced deal, as I said, is exactly the same as I reported weeks ago, except that Qantas appear to have deserted the arrangement with BA to take A320s, and done the same sort of deal with American for B737s.
Any wonder things are strained now between Qantas and BA....
Best regards,
"lame"
Yes, the info WAS correct at the time apparently, it would appear that Qantas have double crossed BA...
The now officially announced deal, as I said, is exactly the same as I reported weeks ago, except that Qantas appear to have deserted the arrangement with BA to take A320s, and done the same sort of deal with American for B737s.
Any wonder things are strained now between Qantas and BA....
Best regards,
"lame"
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Slightly off the topic,but if the B737s are being moved from the trunk routes and replaced by B767s/A330s,what will happen to basings in SYD,BNE and MEL for B737 crews?
It doesn't seem feasible to start/end each pattern with a pax sector?
Any ideas?
It doesn't seem feasible to start/end each pattern with a pax sector?
Any ideas?
Evertonian
Don't feel too bad about BA LAME. QF, I hear might be kicking a few coppers to BA to help pay for those A320's that they WERE going to get.
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Rats! I was hoping for a nice 2 year contract at home. What is the australasian aversion to Airbus all about?!!
Hey LAME, know of any jobs for homesick A320 drivers down under?...
Hey LAME, know of any jobs for homesick A320 drivers down under?...
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lame you or your friend have it totally wrong. There never was a deal for QF to take BA A320's. It was just a rumour not worthy of comment!
BA have a large order book for A320's but it is no different to QF having orders for up to 60 B737NG's.
BA have a large order book for A320's but it is no different to QF having orders for up to 60 B737NG's.
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Now the real interesting bit about BA is the rumour that they will be selling thier share in QF (which I know is old news) but the reason for it is that the run out of cash in about six months with the losses currently being incurred.
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Reflex10,
Why did YOU comment then...
The deal WAS done, some time ago, and as I reported here several weeks ago.
Obviously something has changed since then, Qantas and BA have had a fall out for some reason?? Now Qantas are going to their American One World Partner instead of BA.
Best regards,
"lame"
Why did YOU comment then...
The deal WAS done, some time ago, and as I reported here several weeks ago.
Obviously something has changed since then, Qantas and BA have had a fall out for some reason?? Now Qantas are going to their American One World Partner instead of BA.
Best regards,
"lame"
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Maybe it was China..
NO, sure he said Qantas.
SCHROEDER'S VISIT TO BEIJING
China expected to order 50 Airbus jets
BERLIN - Airbus, the No 2 planemaker, is expected to secure an order from China for up to 50 single-aisle jetliners when German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder visits Beijing this week, the German government said.
Germany hopes China will sign an accord for the European company's airplanes and up to 20 other contracts during the visit.
Airbus, which makes single-aisle planes in Germany, is 80 per cent- owned by European Aeronautic, Defence and Space, which includes DaimlerChrysler's former aerospace unit.
The order could be worth as much as 2.5 billion deutschemarks (S$2.1 billion), a government spokesman said, though quoted Airbus prices would suggest a total closer to US$2.7 billion (S$4.9 billion) for 50 A320 series planes before discounts.
Germany is 'optimistic China would sign up for up to 50 planes', a government spokesman said at a press conference in Berlin outlining Mr Schroeder's trip this week.
Airbus has previously said it expects a 'sizeable' order from China before the end of the year.
Airbus and rival Boeing expect China to become the world's biggest aircraft market, after the United States, buying 1,600 airliners over the next two decades.
NO, sure he said Qantas.
SCHROEDER'S VISIT TO BEIJING
China expected to order 50 Airbus jets
BERLIN - Airbus, the No 2 planemaker, is expected to secure an order from China for up to 50 single-aisle jetliners when German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder visits Beijing this week, the German government said.
Germany hopes China will sign an accord for the European company's airplanes and up to 20 other contracts during the visit.
Airbus, which makes single-aisle planes in Germany, is 80 per cent- owned by European Aeronautic, Defence and Space, which includes DaimlerChrysler's former aerospace unit.
The order could be worth as much as 2.5 billion deutschemarks (S$2.1 billion), a government spokesman said, though quoted Airbus prices would suggest a total closer to US$2.7 billion (S$4.9 billion) for 50 A320 series planes before discounts.
Germany is 'optimistic China would sign up for up to 50 planes', a government spokesman said at a press conference in Berlin outlining Mr Schroeder's trip this week.
Airbus has previously said it expects a 'sizeable' order from China before the end of the year.
Airbus and rival Boeing expect China to become the world's biggest aircraft market, after the United States, buying 1,600 airliners over the next two decades.
There was a nice pretty full page picture of QF's latest acquisition on pg 10 of this morning's SMH.
Looks like QF are going for the winglets on the 737-800...looks very snazzy indeed.
TL
Looks like QF are going for the winglets on the 737-800...looks very snazzy indeed.
TL
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There was a piccie in the Daily Rag as well.
Scared the crap out of me initially because all I saw was the wingtips and thought that Airbus was trying to plug their A330 in light of missing the narrowbody.
Relaxed a little when I realised it was a Boeing!!
Go you good thing!
Scared the crap out of me initially because all I saw was the wingtips and thought that Airbus was trying to plug their A330 in light of missing the narrowbody.
Relaxed a little when I realised it was a Boeing!!
Go you good thing!
