NAS vs LLAMP Continued
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MEDIA RELEASE
JOHN ANDERSON Deputy Prime Minister Minister for Transport and Regional Services.
Special Aviation Reform Group
A22/2002 22nd February 2002
The Deputy Prime Minister, John Anderson, has announced the terms of reference for the Special Aviation Reform Group, which will recommend a preferred plan for the reform of Australia's low level airspace.
The Special Aviation Reform Group (ARG) consists of Dick Smith, the chairman of CASA, Ted Anson, and the chairman of Airservices Australia, John Forsyth.
"The group will consider two proposals for reforming Australia's low level airspace -- the Airspace Working Group's Low Level Airspace Reform Plan (LAMP), and the proposed National Airspace System (NAS).
"The assessment of the two proposals will take into account:
(i) the cost effectiveness of each of the competing proposals;. .(ii) the degree of industry support for each proposal and the comments of the industry stakeholders on the merits of LAMP and NAS;. .(iii) the ability to implement each proposal within a reasonable timeframe;. .(iv) the degree to which each proposal is in accordance with ICAO airspace classifications; . .(v) which proposal is more closely harmonised with international best practice; and. .(vi) other substantive issues that the ARG considers relevant to an informed recommendation.
"The ARG will recommend its preferred proposal to me by 25 March 2002. Its report will include a proposed implementation schedule.
"Australia has the world's best air traffic control technology, but we still need to bring our low-level airspace into line with the rest of the world. The adoption of international practice will reduce costs for the aviation industry and the travelling public, without affecting our excellent safety record," Mr Anderson said.
. .Media contact: Bill McKinley 02 62777680 / 0407 701034. . . .DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER'S SPECIAL AVIATION REFORM GROUP (ARG)
TERMS OF REFERENCE
Membership
The ARG will consist of Mr Dick Smith AO, Mr John Forsyth (Chairman, Airservices Australia) and Mr Ted Anson (Chairman, Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA)). It will be supported by an Executive Officer appointed by ARG and located within the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS).
Terms of Reference
1. The ARG will make, no later than 25 March 2002, a recommendation to the Deputy Prime Minister on the preferred plan for future low level airspace reform, to be based on an assessment of each of:. .(i) the Airspace Working Group's Low Level Airspace Reform Plan (LAMP); and. .(ii) Mr Dick Smith's proposed National Airspace System (NAS).
2. The assessment of the two proposals will take into account:. .(i) the cost effectiveness of each of the competing proposals;. .(ii) the degree of industry support for each proposal and the comments of the industry stakeholders on the merits of LAMP and NAS;. .(iii) the ability to implement each proposal within a reasonable timeframe;. .(iv) the degree to which each proposal is in accordance with ICAO airspace classifications; . .(v) which proposal is more closely harmonised with international best practice; and. .(vi) other substantive issues that the ARG considers relevant to an informed recommendation.
3. The Group will provide a written report to the Deputy Prime Minister recommending its preferred proposal by 25 March 2002:. .(i) the report to include a detailed assessment of any further work required before an implementation safety case can be provided for endorsement by CASA;. .(ii) a proposed schedule of implementation, including training, education and TAAATS system change requirements; and. .(iii) a timeframe specifying the required period to achieve full implementation.
4. In preparing its advice to the Deputy Prime Minister the ARG may draw upon, but is not bound by, advice from appropriate sources.
Monitoring Implementation
Following the Deputy Prime Minister's decision as to the preferred plan, the ARG will monitor and supervise its implementation.
The ARG will report on a monthly basis to the Deputy Prime Minister on progress against the implementation timeframe.
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JOHN ANDERSON Deputy Prime Minister Minister for Transport and Regional Services.
Special Aviation Reform Group
A22/2002 22nd February 2002
The Deputy Prime Minister, John Anderson, has announced the terms of reference for the Special Aviation Reform Group, which will recommend a preferred plan for the reform of Australia's low level airspace.
The Special Aviation Reform Group (ARG) consists of Dick Smith, the chairman of CASA, Ted Anson, and the chairman of Airservices Australia, John Forsyth.
"The group will consider two proposals for reforming Australia's low level airspace -- the Airspace Working Group's Low Level Airspace Reform Plan (LAMP), and the proposed National Airspace System (NAS).
"The assessment of the two proposals will take into account:
(i) the cost effectiveness of each of the competing proposals;. .(ii) the degree of industry support for each proposal and the comments of the industry stakeholders on the merits of LAMP and NAS;. .(iii) the ability to implement each proposal within a reasonable timeframe;. .(iv) the degree to which each proposal is in accordance with ICAO airspace classifications; . .(v) which proposal is more closely harmonised with international best practice; and. .(vi) other substantive issues that the ARG considers relevant to an informed recommendation.
"The ARG will recommend its preferred proposal to me by 25 March 2002. Its report will include a proposed implementation schedule.
"Australia has the world's best air traffic control technology, but we still need to bring our low-level airspace into line with the rest of the world. The adoption of international practice will reduce costs for the aviation industry and the travelling public, without affecting our excellent safety record," Mr Anderson said.
. .Media contact: Bill McKinley 02 62777680 / 0407 701034. . . .DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER'S SPECIAL AVIATION REFORM GROUP (ARG)
TERMS OF REFERENCE
Membership
The ARG will consist of Mr Dick Smith AO, Mr John Forsyth (Chairman, Airservices Australia) and Mr Ted Anson (Chairman, Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA)). It will be supported by an Executive Officer appointed by ARG and located within the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS).
Terms of Reference
1. The ARG will make, no later than 25 March 2002, a recommendation to the Deputy Prime Minister on the preferred plan for future low level airspace reform, to be based on an assessment of each of:. .(i) the Airspace Working Group's Low Level Airspace Reform Plan (LAMP); and. .(ii) Mr Dick Smith's proposed National Airspace System (NAS).
2. The assessment of the two proposals will take into account:. .(i) the cost effectiveness of each of the competing proposals;. .(ii) the degree of industry support for each proposal and the comments of the industry stakeholders on the merits of LAMP and NAS;. .(iii) the ability to implement each proposal within a reasonable timeframe;. .(iv) the degree to which each proposal is in accordance with ICAO airspace classifications; . .(v) which proposal is more closely harmonised with international best practice; and. .(vi) other substantive issues that the ARG considers relevant to an informed recommendation.
3. The Group will provide a written report to the Deputy Prime Minister recommending its preferred proposal by 25 March 2002:. .(i) the report to include a detailed assessment of any further work required before an implementation safety case can be provided for endorsement by CASA;. .(ii) a proposed schedule of implementation, including training, education and TAAATS system change requirements; and. .(iii) a timeframe specifying the required period to achieve full implementation.
4. In preparing its advice to the Deputy Prime Minister the ARG may draw upon, but is not bound by, advice from appropriate sources.
Monitoring Implementation
Following the Deputy Prime Minister's decision as to the preferred plan, the ARG will monitor and supervise its implementation.
The ARG will report on a monthly basis to the Deputy Prime Minister on progress against the implementation timeframe.
...end
So let me get this right........the head of CASA, and the head of AsA ( who have a proposal they were intimately involved in) will come up with a preferred model. Assisted by Richard Smith, former chairman of CASA and purveyor of fine peanut butter, who also has a proposal. Incidentally the copy of NAS I read had NO NAMES on it!
Sounds like a great system. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
Sounds like a great system. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
Creamie, 'm dear,
Surprising as it may seem, once again I entirely agree with the very great bulk of your post, but trying to convince a large slab of Australian domestic aviation that such airspace management standards exist, and we should take then seriously, finds little general support.
Perhaps I should leave the attempts at humorous sarcasm to those who do it better than I.
I just don't know how the rest of the aviation world exists without the benefit of the "Australian Way" to guide it.
Dammit, there I go again!!
Tootle pip!!
Surprising as it may seem, once again I entirely agree with the very great bulk of your post, but trying to convince a large slab of Australian domestic aviation that such airspace management standards exist, and we should take then seriously, finds little general support.
Perhaps I should leave the attempts at humorous sarcasm to those who do it better than I.
I just don't know how the rest of the aviation world exists without the benefit of the "Australian Way" to guide it.
Dammit, there I go again!!
Tootle pip!!
One would have to believe that LLAMP is dead!
Why? Well firstly CASA have changed the rules (policy) on MBZs. "they will be no larger than at present" .. well that counts out the large mandatory radio areas that were included in the LLAMP proposal.
Secondly, The LLAMP safety case put forward by Airservices (!) has (it is rumoured) failed the test and been rejected by CASA.
Certainly the areas of mandatory radio might be turned into E to overcome the problem, but that would it seems require more work on the safety case. If it gets changed much more along those lines it will be very close to NAS ...ohh!
On that basis it will either stay the same or we are looking at NAS or a close variation thereof.
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Why? Well firstly CASA have changed the rules (policy) on MBZs. "they will be no larger than at present" .. well that counts out the large mandatory radio areas that were included in the LLAMP proposal.
Secondly, The LLAMP safety case put forward by Airservices (!) has (it is rumoured) failed the test and been rejected by CASA.
Certainly the areas of mandatory radio might be turned into E to overcome the problem, but that would it seems require more work on the safety case. If it gets changed much more along those lines it will be very close to NAS ...ohh!
On that basis it will either stay the same or we are looking at NAS or a close variation thereof.
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LeadSled: My earnest apologies for misinterpreting you.
Re your last: we are again in heated agreement!
DaRock/cogwheel: see my earlier prediction re quagmires. I might have to extend my estimated time of wallowing!
Re your last: we are again in heated agreement!
DaRock/cogwheel: see my earlier prediction re quagmires. I might have to extend my estimated time of wallowing!
