Are ex-AN employees being (ab)used by the ACTU+TESNA?
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[quote]Kaptin. Are you saying we should all resign en-masse from the unions?<hr></blockquote>(Buster Hyman Esq.)
Let's look at some relevant details, Buster -. . i)The majority of the ex-Ansett employees are waiting for long overdue payments of their ENTITLEMENTS;. . ii)The ACTU purport to be representing these employees wrt obtaining their entitlements;. .iii)The Government & Air New Zealand have paid several hundreds of millions of $$$'s to Ansett (the administrators?) for the purpose of (partly) paying staff - yet to the best of my knowledge this money has nor been disbursed;. . iv)The administrators have indicated that they will request to continue trading insolvently until the deal with TESNA is consumated - or collapses;. . v)The ACTU has an apparent desire to see TESNA acquire ownership of Ansett, and as such (the ACTU) is able to effectively veto other creditors (such as Westpac and Diners) BECAUSE they represent the largest $$$ value of secured creditors - the ex-Ansett staff.
Ansett staff want their money - the ACTU NEEDS the Ansett staff - esp. those who have NOT resigned. . .This is surely a strong bargaining chip for all of you to collectively use to gain at least further PART PAYMENT NOW, under the threat of placing your representation under another charges responsibility.
It's YOUR money that the ACTU are using to play this game - at no risk to themselves!!
Let's look at some relevant details, Buster -. . i)The majority of the ex-Ansett employees are waiting for long overdue payments of their ENTITLEMENTS;. . ii)The ACTU purport to be representing these employees wrt obtaining their entitlements;. .iii)The Government & Air New Zealand have paid several hundreds of millions of $$$'s to Ansett (the administrators?) for the purpose of (partly) paying staff - yet to the best of my knowledge this money has nor been disbursed;. . iv)The administrators have indicated that they will request to continue trading insolvently until the deal with TESNA is consumated - or collapses;. . v)The ACTU has an apparent desire to see TESNA acquire ownership of Ansett, and as such (the ACTU) is able to effectively veto other creditors (such as Westpac and Diners) BECAUSE they represent the largest $$$ value of secured creditors - the ex-Ansett staff.
Ansett staff want their money - the ACTU NEEDS the Ansett staff - esp. those who have NOT resigned. . .This is surely a strong bargaining chip for all of you to collectively use to gain at least further PART PAYMENT NOW, under the threat of placing your representation under another charges responsibility.
It's YOUR money that the ACTU are using to play this game - at no risk to themselves!!
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Oicur12, lots of ex-Ansett employees have similar feelings to me and zoolander but I must admit that you did a good job to make the connection. I wondered how long it would take. I sometimes post on behalf of other employees as they are scared of victimisation if sprung. Personally I could not care less, what are they going to do, sack me? (HAHAAAAAAA.....) The bottom line to all this a lot of good people have been hurt, some so badly that they have taken their own lives. I have a fairly thick skin, it's like water off a duck's back, all I want is my money and access to my Super. I would have liked to have seen Ansett liquidated first up as the original administrators were going to do. The staff would have been paid out and a new airline with a future could have started up. What we have here is slow torture, the same dumb decisions being made, people working one day a week or less, which I suspect is a ploy to not pay them out. Now we find out that Tesna who own nothing at this stage, don't need 1000 of the staff which sort of confirms my theory. They have given Qantas all the business and freight market, and Virgin the rest. I see Ansett's market as the Bus market, no money there. The $3 billion dollar deal is mentioned again in the press when it is really the $270 million minus the losses to date, deal. I seem to remember Mentha stating early in the piece that he was personally liable for any losses, now he is in court asking for legal protection from creditors.
I rest my case,
All the best,. .Ben Stiller
I rest my case,
All the best,. .Ben Stiller
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Kaptin M
Bullseye, you like I, have the advantage of distance sir, wherein it is possible to see the forest much more clearly than when you are standing amongst the trees.
Bullseye, you like I, have the advantage of distance sir, wherein it is possible to see the forest much more clearly than when you are standing amongst the trees.
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Not relevant you say Kaptin? I'm suprised you didn't jump at the chance of launching into your favourite subject. After all, you are talking about a union letting down their workers.
For the record, I happen to agree that none of this would be an issue if the election went labours way. At the end of the day, the employees were apathetic enough & probably shocked enough to allow the ACTU their proxies. It would probably have costed the employees to seek their own representation and who would've expected such events to have actually happened.
Whilst we may not see the forest, we can clearly see what's going on in the tree infront of us. Sure, things could've been done heaps better, but some of us are trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
For the record, I happen to agree that none of this would be an issue if the election went labours way. At the end of the day, the employees were apathetic enough & probably shocked enough to allow the ACTU their proxies. It would probably have costed the employees to seek their own representation and who would've expected such events to have actually happened.
Whilst we may not see the forest, we can clearly see what's going on in the tree infront of us. Sure, things could've been done heaps better, but some of us are trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
