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ATTENTION - Beerpleasehostess
I would be very careful if I were you in making such comments about a former employer of yours who took you on board in good faith from your G.A job in W.A. - After you told them how much you wanted to fly for them instead of KD during your interview, you went against your word after a few short months and jumped ship to what is in your terms "greener pastures!" All that I suggest my friend is that this is a very small industry and if you do not wish to tarnish your record as a good bloke as I know you are, I would have second thoughts about making snide remarks about your former employer unless you want it to come back to bite you at an unfortunate moment.......
ATTENTION - NAVERICK
Next time you and your shrike visit down south east I would suggest you make your comments about the companies pay scale you bag to the faces of the people, especially when they have very close contacts with the companies that you have "irons in the fire with".......
cheers
[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: upyakilt ]
I would be very careful if I were you in making such comments about a former employer of yours who took you on board in good faith from your G.A job in W.A. - After you told them how much you wanted to fly for them instead of KD during your interview, you went against your word after a few short months and jumped ship to what is in your terms "greener pastures!" All that I suggest my friend is that this is a very small industry and if you do not wish to tarnish your record as a good bloke as I know you are, I would have second thoughts about making snide remarks about your former employer unless you want it to come back to bite you at an unfortunate moment.......
ATTENTION - NAVERICK
Next time you and your shrike visit down south east I would suggest you make your comments about the companies pay scale you bag to the faces of the people, especially when they have very close contacts with the companies that you have "irons in the fire with".......
cheers
[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: upyakilt ]
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and further to my last Upya,
I guess I really should take back the remark, 'pays his crew peanuts'. It was inacurate and I apologise.
What I should have said is, 'doesn't pay his crew much cash.' In my opinion, that is an accurate statement. Many of the pilots employed with the said company join with thousands of hours experience, but are apparently paid around $900 a fortnite ( after tax), for flying as an FO on RPT ops, in a turboprop airliner.
In my opinion, that figure is just a little on the low side, for a position that requires a great deal of skill & expertise.
I do not believe that my comments are malicious or slanderous, I have simply stated a fact. I feel very strongly about how some of my colleagues are treated with regards to renumeration, as there are many who are not properly rewarded for the level of skill and professionalism delivered.
Also, this forum prides itself on maintaining
anonymity.
Your effort to expose my ID, is a little below the belt and is certainly frowned upon by other ppruners. In any case there is always the danger, you might be way off the mark!! Please refrain from using that tactic in any future contribution you make.
The said companys name is very much in the public eye, I therefore believe mentioning it was in that instant reasonable.
You will find that this forum can get heated, aggressive, even a little nasty on occasions. People do vent their feelings, express opnions, start rumours. It is healthy and sometimes promotes intelligent discussion. As I said previously, the said company is occasionally in the spotlight, in sometimes a positive way, sometimes not.
On this occasion, it just happened to be the latter. Sorry mate, I won't withdraw my comment about the payscale, they'll have to live with that one.
Also I recognise the said companys probably doing quite nicely from KD's misfortune. I trust that apart from counting their blessings at this time, that they have not been too tempted to gloat, like our friend Nacowlah.
Lastly, please resist the temptation to threaten. I have not threatened anyone, just stated an opinion. I also believe it is an opinion shared by nearly every pilot I converse with.
I wish the said company all the best, especially it's tech crew.
[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: Naverick ]
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[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: Naverick ]
I guess I really should take back the remark, 'pays his crew peanuts'. It was inacurate and I apologise.
What I should have said is, 'doesn't pay his crew much cash.' In my opinion, that is an accurate statement. Many of the pilots employed with the said company join with thousands of hours experience, but are apparently paid around $900 a fortnite ( after tax), for flying as an FO on RPT ops, in a turboprop airliner.
In my opinion, that figure is just a little on the low side, for a position that requires a great deal of skill & expertise.
I do not believe that my comments are malicious or slanderous, I have simply stated a fact. I feel very strongly about how some of my colleagues are treated with regards to renumeration, as there are many who are not properly rewarded for the level of skill and professionalism delivered.
Also, this forum prides itself on maintaining
anonymity.
Your effort to expose my ID, is a little below the belt and is certainly frowned upon by other ppruners. In any case there is always the danger, you might be way off the mark!! Please refrain from using that tactic in any future contribution you make.
The said companys name is very much in the public eye, I therefore believe mentioning it was in that instant reasonable.
You will find that this forum can get heated, aggressive, even a little nasty on occasions. People do vent their feelings, express opnions, start rumours. It is healthy and sometimes promotes intelligent discussion. As I said previously, the said company is occasionally in the spotlight, in sometimes a positive way, sometimes not.
On this occasion, it just happened to be the latter. Sorry mate, I won't withdraw my comment about the payscale, they'll have to live with that one.
Also I recognise the said companys probably doing quite nicely from KD's misfortune. I trust that apart from counting their blessings at this time, that they have not been too tempted to gloat, like our friend Nacowlah.
Lastly, please resist the temptation to threaten. I have not threatened anyone, just stated an opinion. I also believe it is an opinion shared by nearly every pilot I converse with.
I wish the said company all the best, especially it's tech crew.
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Interesting that you allege I'm the same person you named. Considering I know the person you mention well, I can make the following comments.
Well firstly let me say, I don't think he has any gripe at all with a previous employer. In fact quite the contrary, he is infact very grateful for them giving him a start and still wishes them well as he said when he left. Like anyone else his intentions were good, he tried his best to do a good job and in the end he was not deceitful as you suggest, but saw a perceived career move that anyone else in his position would have taken. He also maintains some good friends working there and other operators in SA also.
That aside, let me make it clear from MY posts, the last thing I would want to see is another group of pilots or an operator in the same predicament as the rest of us at KD. That would just exacerbate the current unfortunate situation and is not pleasant, let me assure you.
Reference my statement about competition, all the operators in SA have either doubled their services or more including the named person's previous employer since KD's demise. My comment reference the J32 and also about the "competion being short lived" was probably not well worded. My point was that in my opinion the other operators in SA would have difficulty supporting the extra flights if KD was put back in the travel agents system. It was in no way meant to suggest that I want to see all these operators going out of buisness. I will amend my previous comments so as not to offend in the future.
On the "no competition comment" I made, what other operators fly to Cooper Pedy, Olympic Dam, Broken Hill from SA. There is no competition on these routes and suggest that the populations of these centres would not support many operators anyway.
The alleged has a good idea who wrote this post. Like my comments reference KD's professionalism, he holds his previous employer in high regard also. Therefore I, like him, find it difficult to imagine that the above detailed confidential comments would come from senior management, as that would give away their identity and detract from their highly professional etiquet. Similarly I also hope they were not from one of his former "good friends and collegues" who's mannerisms and sayings are remarkably similar to that posted here.
I suggest whoever it is could do the decent thing and hit the edit button on here and delete at least the initials. I agree it is a small industry and I don't think any of us wants to put ourselves in disrepute. There is enough work for all of us so lets not bicker about it and just get on and do the job.
My apologies to anyone I may have offended. I will be more careful with my choice of words next time. I hope my amended comments reflect more closely my original intentions.
[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: beerpleasehostess ]
Interesting that you allege I'm the same person you named. Considering I know the person you mention well, I can make the following comments.
Well firstly let me say, I don't think he has any gripe at all with a previous employer. In fact quite the contrary, he is infact very grateful for them giving him a start and still wishes them well as he said when he left. Like anyone else his intentions were good, he tried his best to do a good job and in the end he was not deceitful as you suggest, but saw a perceived career move that anyone else in his position would have taken. He also maintains some good friends working there and other operators in SA also.
That aside, let me make it clear from MY posts, the last thing I would want to see is another group of pilots or an operator in the same predicament as the rest of us at KD. That would just exacerbate the current unfortunate situation and is not pleasant, let me assure you.
Reference my statement about competition, all the operators in SA have either doubled their services or more including the named person's previous employer since KD's demise. My comment reference the J32 and also about the "competion being short lived" was probably not well worded. My point was that in my opinion the other operators in SA would have difficulty supporting the extra flights if KD was put back in the travel agents system. It was in no way meant to suggest that I want to see all these operators going out of buisness. I will amend my previous comments so as not to offend in the future.
On the "no competition comment" I made, what other operators fly to Cooper Pedy, Olympic Dam, Broken Hill from SA. There is no competition on these routes and suggest that the populations of these centres would not support many operators anyway.
The alleged has a good idea who wrote this post. Like my comments reference KD's professionalism, he holds his previous employer in high regard also. Therefore I, like him, find it difficult to imagine that the above detailed confidential comments would come from senior management, as that would give away their identity and detract from their highly professional etiquet. Similarly I also hope they were not from one of his former "good friends and collegues" who's mannerisms and sayings are remarkably similar to that posted here.
I suggest whoever it is could do the decent thing and hit the edit button on here and delete at least the initials. I agree it is a small industry and I don't think any of us wants to put ourselves in disrepute. There is enough work for all of us so lets not bicker about it and just get on and do the job.
My apologies to anyone I may have offended. I will be more careful with my choice of words next time. I hope my amended comments reflect more closely my original intentions.
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Hi there fellas. Since things are heated I am trying to restrain myself from commenting. Yet this is a KD thread and I am interested in what happens. So I hear at least one M23 has gone North, or is it two? What of the CRJ's? Cheers
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SRC....
All the CRJ's (except 1) are still positioned around the MJB. Maybe I'm imagining this but Fridays seem to be a good day for activity as their APU's are fired up and the fleet is wheeled around and reparked.
That's it. Those CRJ's inside the hangar (5 or 6 of 'em) don't appear to have moved an inch since they were parked there Fri 14/9. A very 'cold' & still building of late. The one that is (was?) with Eurowings in Germany (now a subsid of Lufthansa) I do not know what has happened to it (would have been VH-KJZ it it had ever got here)
All the CRJ's (except 1) are still positioned around the MJB. Maybe I'm imagining this but Fridays seem to be a good day for activity as their APU's are fired up and the fleet is wheeled around and reparked.
That's it. Those CRJ's inside the hangar (5 or 6 of 'em) don't appear to have moved an inch since they were parked there Fri 14/9. A very 'cold' & still building of late. The one that is (was?) with Eurowings in Germany (now a subsid of Lufthansa) I do not know what has happened to it (would have been VH-KJZ it it had ever got here)
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SRC, I think one CRJ is in Sydney and may not be able to be moved quickly in the short term. Understand that a convoluted arrangement exists in regard to maintenance of the CRJ fleet, and the Administrators are not investing a lot of money in keeping the fleet in an "available to fly immediatly condition", even though there is APU Start Ups and towing at the Mel MJB Hangar.
The other question at the mom is, as the aircraft have stood still, say since the 14th September, are their any pilots still current on type, without having to do a Check ride given that, to my knowledge no CRJ has flown for more than 30 days? I guess it depend whats in the Checking and Training manuals, but it is a matter that provides food for thought.
The other question at the mom is, as the aircraft have stood still, say since the 14th September, are their any pilots still current on type, without having to do a Check ride given that, to my knowledge no CRJ has flown for more than 30 days? I guess it depend whats in the Checking and Training manuals, but it is a matter that provides food for thought.
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Yr right rpt2....last was "Y" ferried fm BNE Fri 26th Oct.(32 days ago). Incidentally, Kendell didn't have CRJ's on their AOC at that time so I guess they got a special dispensation fm CASA (even though it was an empty a/c) to fly it down to join the rest.
There were a few contracted flyers amongst the Kendell crews to man the CRJ's. If Kendell were to need some 'current' types here again I'm sure they won't have any difficulty getting some 'fresh' volunteers over fm Canana etc.
There were a few contracted flyers amongst the Kendell crews to man the CRJ's. If Kendell were to need some 'current' types here again I'm sure they won't have any difficulty getting some 'fresh' volunteers over fm Canana etc.
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Why on earth would you require an AOC (or special permission for CASA) to conduct a non-revenue, non-scheduled, private flight on behalf of the owners or C of R holders (whoever they may currently be)?
We don't need CASA to hold our hands for everything (yet)! Sadly, there seems to be a mindset developing that we need permission to sneeze!
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Why on earth would you require an AOC (or special permission for CASA) to conduct a non-revenue, non-scheduled, private flight on behalf of the owners or C of R holders (whoever they may currently be)?
We don't need CASA to hold our hands for everything (yet)! Sadly, there seems to be a mindset developing that we need permission to sneeze!
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Hmmm .... "Pistols at dawn" with NAVERICK?
I am betting that this would have to take place outside the Macca's at Glenelg, after a PARTICULARLY big nite with mates at ASA and KD's ?(yes,I heard about THAT one!)
Champion with them posts, NAV...agree wholeheartedly.
Best of luck to the KD crews
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I am betting that this would have to take place outside the Macca's at Glenelg, after a PARTICULARLY big nite with mates at ASA and KD's ?(yes,I heard about THAT one!)
Champion with them posts, NAV...agree wholeheartedly.
Best of luck to the KD crews
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