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Ansett recruitment
What is going on with Ansett recruitment at the moment; domestic and international.
I'm currently driving an Airbus (FO)up in Fragrant Harbour, and with all the crap going on here, am looking at other options.
Any input, particularly from current AN pilots would be great.
Stuff like:
1 Are AN recruiting NOW???
2 Is AN a good lot to work for?
3 Are most people happy or not/ staff morale?
4 Are the rosters okay/ how many hours a month/year?
5 Can you swap between domestic & int'l, or is it completely seperate?
6 What is starting salary for FO, and what would be a reasonable time frame to command?
7 Is it likely AN will be bought out/into, and most likely by whom?
8 Basings in any Ozz city?
You get the idea. Any info on AN, the sort of stuff that interests prospective flight crew.
Thanks everyone
the unabungler
I'm currently driving an Airbus (FO)up in Fragrant Harbour, and with all the crap going on here, am looking at other options.
Any input, particularly from current AN pilots would be great.
Stuff like:
1 Are AN recruiting NOW???
2 Is AN a good lot to work for?
3 Are most people happy or not/ staff morale?
4 Are the rosters okay/ how many hours a month/year?
5 Can you swap between domestic & int'l, or is it completely seperate?
6 What is starting salary for FO, and what would be a reasonable time frame to command?
7 Is it likely AN will be bought out/into, and most likely by whom?
8 Basings in any Ozz city?
You get the idea. Any info on AN, the sort of stuff that interests prospective flight crew.
Thanks everyone
the unabungler
Off the top of my head:
[list=1][*]Are AN recruiting NOW???
Recruitment has been very slow over the last four to five years due to several factors. It is starting to pick up slowly now, with direct entry first officer and second officer recruitment. Six second officers were recently employed, rumours of 15 or so first officers in the immediate future.
[*]Is AN a good lot to work for?
It is a good company to work for, with a very relaxed, professional working environment. Crews all call each other by their first names and get on well together.
[*]Are most people happy or not/ staff morale?
Staff morale has traditionally been high, but had taken a beating with the ownership changes and poor commercial performance over the last five years. There is still a strong undercurrent of good feeling for the company that will result in strong morale should the ownership and commercial performance pick up.
[*]Are the rosters okay/ how many hours a month/year?
Ansett easily has one of the best pilot rostering systems in the world today. Pilots fly on average between 60 and 90 hours a month. (Note to non-pilots: how much you fly does not relate to how long you are "at work", or indeed even how long you spend away from home, all of which could be considered as "unpaid work".) In each base pilots are listed by type, and that list rotates every nine months. When the bid comes out each month, if you are at the top of the list you get the work you like, at the bottom the work is restricted - although you may still get most of your preferred work as people like to work in different ways (some like day work with weekends off, some like trips away, some like long days, with more time off, some like short days with a more regular schedule etc.) After the rosters are promulgated, you may swap with others, or give work away down to a minimum of 55 hours should you wish to work "part time".
As an example, I am currently at the top of the bid list, and have managed to squeeze my work for the month into 13 long days, giving me 18 rostered "days off" for the month, and I may bid for extra work on those days (duty times allowing). (Another note to non-pilots: a rostered "day off" does not necessarily equate to a legal day off. Finishing work just before midnight, and starting before dawn the day after next may be considered a "day off" - but most of that time is spent trying to adjust your body clock to the next work period, not swanning around on the beach!
)
[*]Can you swap between domestic & int'l, or is it completely seperate?
The 747 fleet flys only internationally, so you must be posted to this fleet for pure international work. All other fleets fly a mix of international and domestic work (albeit mainly domestic).
[*]What is starting salary for FO, and what would be a reasonable time frame to command?
Applicants may be offered either a Second Officer or First Officer position when they begin employment.
Salaries achieved depend upon the hours flown each year, the following numbers are based on a rough average for the year for crew working their full roster, with a reasonable amount of overtime, and include allowances. Second and First Officer salaries increase 1% with each year of service, up to 10 years, in addition to any pay rate increases negotiated by the APA at EBA time.
Starting salary as a second officer is around $AUS60-70k. Second officers may hold two type ratings (767 & 747) but are currently 747 only. Second officers required to hold two ratings are paid a bonus. Unlike other airlines Second Officers are provided with a full type rating and Command Instrument Rating. Although Ansett has never bonded new hires, there is a provision for this in the Ansett Pilot's Award, and that provision may be exercised in the future.
The rest of the fleet is "broadbanded" into three groups - Group one is 767 or similar, Group two is 737/A320 or similar, Group three is BAe146 or similar. Initial intake First officers are hired to either Group two or three only. A group three first officer will earn roughly $AUS100k, a group two roughly $AUS120k.
After one year's service you also recieve twelve free tickets for personal travel on the domestic network and three discount purchased tickets for you or your immediate family on either the domestic or international network (per year, non-accruing). The domestic discount rate is intially ID80 (80% Industry Discount from the full listed fare) reducing to ID97.5 in steps after some year's service. The international discount is set for each different sector. The discount offered to staff by other airlines varies according to different airline agreements.
42 days paid leave per year is also offered, one month taken each nine months. Leave months are also allocated by bid, with your seniority for the bid being by list that rotates by ¼ of that list each nine month bid period.
Long service leave is paid in accordance with the Long Service Leave (Commonwealth Employees) ACT 1976 - three months paid leave after ten year's service, or six months on half pay.
15 days sick leave per year is awarded, with this number accruing, in addition six non-cumulative sick days are awarded per year for upper respiratory tract infections (URTI's). (Flight crew work in a dry air environment, with many passengers in close confinement, and are thus subjected to a higher than average URTI rate, and unlike an office worker, you cannot work with the blocked sinuses that are a symptom of an URTI.)
Five or six years ago First Officers were receiving commands with five year's service (the Company minimum) but this was a result of the restructuring required by the 1989 pilot's dispute. Traditionally the time to command was around 10 to 11 years, currently it is about 12 years, however this could change rapidly depending on any future ownership changes or funding strategies achieved by the Group.
[*]Is it likely AN will be bought out/into, and most likely by whom?
Hah! Read the papers! Ansett is currently wholly owned by Air New Zealand, which is researching funding options as I type this. Any comment I make would be out of date tomorrow!
[*]Basings in any Ozz city?
Second officers are based in Sydney. Group two crew are based in Sydney, Brisbane, Cairns and Perth. Group three crew are based in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Perth. You will be asked for your preference, but may not get it - I didn't.[/list=a]
Details for the interview and induction process can be found on the "Ansett Recruiting" thread.
[ 28 August 2001: Message edited by: Checkboard ]
[list=1][*]Are AN recruiting NOW???
Recruitment has been very slow over the last four to five years due to several factors. It is starting to pick up slowly now, with direct entry first officer and second officer recruitment. Six second officers were recently employed, rumours of 15 or so first officers in the immediate future.
[*]Is AN a good lot to work for?
It is a good company to work for, with a very relaxed, professional working environment. Crews all call each other by their first names and get on well together.
[*]Are most people happy or not/ staff morale?
Staff morale has traditionally been high, but had taken a beating with the ownership changes and poor commercial performance over the last five years. There is still a strong undercurrent of good feeling for the company that will result in strong morale should the ownership and commercial performance pick up.
[*]Are the rosters okay/ how many hours a month/year?
Ansett easily has one of the best pilot rostering systems in the world today. Pilots fly on average between 60 and 90 hours a month. (Note to non-pilots: how much you fly does not relate to how long you are "at work", or indeed even how long you spend away from home, all of which could be considered as "unpaid work".) In each base pilots are listed by type, and that list rotates every nine months. When the bid comes out each month, if you are at the top of the list you get the work you like, at the bottom the work is restricted - although you may still get most of your preferred work as people like to work in different ways (some like day work with weekends off, some like trips away, some like long days, with more time off, some like short days with a more regular schedule etc.) After the rosters are promulgated, you may swap with others, or give work away down to a minimum of 55 hours should you wish to work "part time".
As an example, I am currently at the top of the bid list, and have managed to squeeze my work for the month into 13 long days, giving me 18 rostered "days off" for the month, and I may bid for extra work on those days (duty times allowing). (Another note to non-pilots: a rostered "day off" does not necessarily equate to a legal day off. Finishing work just before midnight, and starting before dawn the day after next may be considered a "day off" - but most of that time is spent trying to adjust your body clock to the next work period, not swanning around on the beach!
)[*]Can you swap between domestic & int'l, or is it completely seperate?
The 747 fleet flys only internationally, so you must be posted to this fleet for pure international work. All other fleets fly a mix of international and domestic work (albeit mainly domestic).
[*]What is starting salary for FO, and what would be a reasonable time frame to command?
Applicants may be offered either a Second Officer or First Officer position when they begin employment.
Salaries achieved depend upon the hours flown each year, the following numbers are based on a rough average for the year for crew working their full roster, with a reasonable amount of overtime, and include allowances. Second and First Officer salaries increase 1% with each year of service, up to 10 years, in addition to any pay rate increases negotiated by the APA at EBA time.
Starting salary as a second officer is around $AUS60-70k. Second officers may hold two type ratings (767 & 747) but are currently 747 only. Second officers required to hold two ratings are paid a bonus. Unlike other airlines Second Officers are provided with a full type rating and Command Instrument Rating. Although Ansett has never bonded new hires, there is a provision for this in the Ansett Pilot's Award, and that provision may be exercised in the future.
The rest of the fleet is "broadbanded" into three groups - Group one is 767 or similar, Group two is 737/A320 or similar, Group three is BAe146 or similar. Initial intake First officers are hired to either Group two or three only. A group three first officer will earn roughly $AUS100k, a group two roughly $AUS120k.
After one year's service you also recieve twelve free tickets for personal travel on the domestic network and three discount purchased tickets for you or your immediate family on either the domestic or international network (per year, non-accruing). The domestic discount rate is intially ID80 (80% Industry Discount from the full listed fare) reducing to ID97.5 in steps after some year's service. The international discount is set for each different sector. The discount offered to staff by other airlines varies according to different airline agreements.
42 days paid leave per year is also offered, one month taken each nine months. Leave months are also allocated by bid, with your seniority for the bid being by list that rotates by ¼ of that list each nine month bid period.
Long service leave is paid in accordance with the Long Service Leave (Commonwealth Employees) ACT 1976 - three months paid leave after ten year's service, or six months on half pay.
15 days sick leave per year is awarded, with this number accruing, in addition six non-cumulative sick days are awarded per year for upper respiratory tract infections (URTI's). (Flight crew work in a dry air environment, with many passengers in close confinement, and are thus subjected to a higher than average URTI rate, and unlike an office worker, you cannot work with the blocked sinuses that are a symptom of an URTI.)
Five or six years ago First Officers were receiving commands with five year's service (the Company minimum) but this was a result of the restructuring required by the 1989 pilot's dispute. Traditionally the time to command was around 10 to 11 years, currently it is about 12 years, however this could change rapidly depending on any future ownership changes or funding strategies achieved by the Group.
[*]Is it likely AN will be bought out/into, and most likely by whom?
Hah! Read the papers! Ansett is currently wholly owned by Air New Zealand, which is researching funding options as I type this. Any comment I make would be out of date tomorrow!
[*]Basings in any Ozz city?
Second officers are based in Sydney. Group two crew are based in Sydney, Brisbane, Cairns and Perth. Group three crew are based in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Perth. You will be asked for your preference, but may not get it - I didn't.[/list=a]
Details for the interview and induction process can be found on the "Ansett Recruiting" thread.
[ 28 August 2001: Message edited by: Checkboard ]
short flights long nights
Well Check board, that posting has made me really understand about why I went through 1989, and I mean this with no offense, especially as you are a moderator, but there ARE better conditions on offer, if you want to go O/S. This year (2001) I have had 18 weeks leave (4 Months 2 weeks)on full pay, and if I get sick for 3 years I get full pay for 3, 5 17 years , it does not matter. And I am getting industy standard conditions from my company ( a mainline European Airline). Anyway enjoy, your all, it makes me realise what I have got, and others miss.
And please enjoy your airline, I loved it once, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did (and I DO mean that)
And please enjoy your airline, I loved it once, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did (and I DO mean that)
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Unabungler I know that you are enquiring about AN, but if you want to move quickly then maybe QF would suit you better. They are still short of crews and are probably taking on in excess of 100 pilots in the comming 12 months.
With your experience you should not have a problem and they would probably hurry up the selection process.
For the last year or so there have been a few who got an FO slot inside two years, I have met one FO who did it in 18 months.
Best of luck!
[ 29 August 2001: Message edited by: eagle767 ]
With your experience you should not have a problem and they would probably hurry up the selection process.
For the last year or so there have been a few who got an FO slot inside two years, I have met one FO who did it in 18 months.
Best of luck!
[ 29 August 2001: Message edited by: eagle767 ]
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Checkboard :
Thankyou sincerely for posting the information above reference to unabungler's enquiries, as well as the appropriate thread for "Ansett Recruiting" .
Being very interested in a position as Flight Crew, and having a current application with Ansett Australia, awaiting of course an interview date, your information is beneficial to myself and the myriad of other pilots nationally ( and obviously internationally
) .
With much appreciation,
Hottie
Thankyou sincerely for posting the information above reference to unabungler's enquiries, as well as the appropriate thread for "Ansett Recruiting" .
Being very interested in a position as Flight Crew, and having a current application with Ansett Australia, awaiting of course an interview date, your information is beneficial to myself and the myriad of other pilots nationally ( and obviously internationally
) .With much appreciation,
Hottie
Certainly not offended SOPS! I would hope that the post shows that I understand my pay and conditions fairly well, and one of the great things about PPRuNe is that is gives you an insight to the conditions other pilots around the world work for.
Simple fact is that I like living in Australia (even Perth )
Simple fact is that I like living in Australia
(even Perth )
