Who's trying to get KD's CRJ's up???
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rpt2....I would not consider yourself privie to any sensitive info....as I had that doc emailed to me, and there was a long list of recipients. Furthermore, I would treat the info with great scepticism...just look how they produced figues for AD - WHA twice....and they were different!!!
Isdon you are 100% on the money....AN for AN pilots is the critical reason. Don't forget that major airlines all over the world have a max seat limit on their feeders, through their pilot associations. AN, as I believe, doesn't and they are doing their very best to keep the administrator under the impression that they are the only ones who can operate high capacity. wont be able to continue the smoke and mirrors charade now with real managment going in. (SQ)
Isdon you are 100% on the money....AN for AN pilots is the critical reason. Don't forget that major airlines all over the world have a max seat limit on their feeders, through their pilot associations. AN, as I believe, doesn't and they are doing their very best to keep the administrator under the impression that they are the only ones who can operate high capacity. wont be able to continue the smoke and mirrors charade now with real managment going in. (SQ)
Like many I believe the CRJ is a viable operation in true OZ regional ports, since all previous CRJ implementation and finance operations occurred from an AN perspective, not from KD’s. The finance costs committed to the CRJ airframes by AN executive management are now shown to be truly horrendous amounts of US$, which stand to kill a stand-alone CRJ restart program. One must now question whether KD was set up with the intent to take these big losses up front, dumping more losses than would be reasonable from AN books to KDs - keeping KD an unviable ‘helper and competitor’ whilst luring a buyer for a rosier AN. This would go some way to explaining the schizophrenic management relationships between the two airlines.
Regardless, world-wide practice proves that the CRJ could scoop the regional market if a much better finance deal were made possible, and in light of recent events it may now be possible. Aircraft operational problems in OZ may then be the major impediment. I understand that KD operational management and a bunch of KD pilots have been working tirelessly to get KD operations happening again, and have put an option on the administrator’s table to retain a reduced CRJ opn, in addition to the TP ops. The big problems are (1.) existing aircraft cost structures, (2.) aircraft operational/performance needs at OZ airfields that ideally need another 200-400 ft of RWY and a PAPI for CRJ ops, and (3.) a view from the ANII that KD as a HC operator would be a competitor – so ‘big brother’ may now be renamed ’big bully’. (4.) It is unlikely that a 'saviour' will buy KD as-is.
My view is that if KD goodwill can be blended with a good business plan, and the bullies are overcome, Don Kendell’s original vision of successful regional jet ops may yet be seen.
[ 17 October 2001: Message edited by: Roller Merlin ]
Regardless, world-wide practice proves that the CRJ could scoop the regional market if a much better finance deal were made possible, and in light of recent events it may now be possible. Aircraft operational problems in OZ may then be the major impediment. I understand that KD operational management and a bunch of KD pilots have been working tirelessly to get KD operations happening again, and have put an option on the administrator’s table to retain a reduced CRJ opn, in addition to the TP ops. The big problems are (1.) existing aircraft cost structures, (2.) aircraft operational/performance needs at OZ airfields that ideally need another 200-400 ft of RWY and a PAPI for CRJ ops, and (3.) a view from the ANII that KD as a HC operator would be a competitor – so ‘big brother’ may now be renamed ’big bully’. (4.) It is unlikely that a 'saviour' will buy KD as-is.
My view is that if KD goodwill can be blended with a good business plan, and the bullies are overcome, Don Kendell’s original vision of successful regional jet ops may yet be seen.
[ 17 October 2001: Message edited by: Roller Merlin ]
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Rpt2, the memorandum put out to prospect buyers fails to reveal the true potential of the RJ.I have read the documnet & I too could not find where it says that Kendells only recieves $6-$10 on a ticket for its oncarriage services.Read between the lines. How else can you explain a multi million dollar loss on a particluar route with an average load factor of %84 
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Try lease payments of US$160000 a month per aircraft. Conservatively AU$1200-AU$1400 an hour and thats just the lease payment. Keep adding and the total will probably come out around $5500 an hour, if not more, and thats expensive.
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The first issue of data, ah la the info memo, was not subject to confidentiality agreement however subsequent issues are.
The prop jet ops are all ok. Whilst ther has been emphasis on the Tassie CRJ ops the QLD ones seem to be going ok. Some yield adjustments seem to be warranted.
However given the dynamics of domestic air transport at the mom where we could have up to 4 domestic carriers, Qantas, Virgin, Ansett2 and /or Fox/Lew, it would seem inappropriate to continue to put the CRJ'S out over all the sames routes over which they were previously operated. Which leads one to consider which routes that could be effectivley operated by CRJ's. Off the top of my head, and subject to further investigation I think there is room for a 4 CRJ operation. Use 3 and allow 1 in maintinence.
There have been several occasions in the past where the Ansett Group and East West Airlines have placed F28 jet equipment into regional airline service. An upgrade to jet from Propjet equipment might stimulate the market and give an operator a competative advantage.
The prop jet ops are all ok. Whilst ther has been emphasis on the Tassie CRJ ops the QLD ones seem to be going ok. Some yield adjustments seem to be warranted.
However given the dynamics of domestic air transport at the mom where we could have up to 4 domestic carriers, Qantas, Virgin, Ansett2 and /or Fox/Lew, it would seem inappropriate to continue to put the CRJ'S out over all the sames routes over which they were previously operated. Which leads one to consider which routes that could be effectivley operated by CRJ's. Off the top of my head, and subject to further investigation I think there is room for a 4 CRJ operation. Use 3 and allow 1 in maintinence.
There have been several occasions in the past where the Ansett Group and East West Airlines have placed F28 jet equipment into regional airline service. An upgrade to jet from Propjet equipment might stimulate the market and give an operator a competative advantage.
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Hmmmmmmm..... Some news hot off the ol' grapevine..
It seems that our beloved Government may be considering the acquisition of a few Kendall CRJ's to be used in the VIP fleet...
I believe, and I may have the numbers wrong, that they would replace the Challenger 604's they were considering. I repeat numbers may have been mixed up
Given there is a simulator already in the country along with engineering support & knowledge they would make an excellent addition to the country's VIP fleet.
More details to follow if and when they come to hand.
Regards 100_above
It seems that our beloved Government may be considering the acquisition of a few Kendall CRJ's to be used in the VIP fleet...
I believe, and I may have the numbers wrong, that they would replace the Challenger 604's they were considering. I repeat numbers may have been mixed up
Given there is a simulator already in the country along with engineering support & knowledge they would make an excellent addition to the country's VIP fleet.
More details to follow if and when they come to hand.
Regards 100_above
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100-above.
Now that would make BRILLIANT sense, they should take the lot and redeploy some into the services as well for crew and nav training as well as communications and liaison.
But I suppose that's too simple.
Now that would make BRILLIANT sense, they should take the lot and redeploy some into the services as well for crew and nav training as well as communications and liaison.
But I suppose that's too simple.
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bulldog-89. I find it interesting that arrangements are being made for the KD CRJ'S to be sent of shore when final binding offers for Kendell have not yet closed.
Do you have a reliable source or is it rumour.
Do you have a reliable source or is it rumour.
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Gaunty,
I agree totally.
Unfortunatley the word from "Deepest Throat" :-) is that only 4-5 are under consideration. They truly are the sports model of current commercial jet aircraft in this country.
Interestingly "Deepest Throat" :-) (tm) also reckons that a real rumour might be about 4 of the repossesed or about to be repossesed 737's will be going to New Zealand for the use of QFNZ.
However this is truly a rumour with a lot less basis than the CRJ rumour. (If you know what I mean!)
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100_above
I agree totally.
Unfortunatley the word from "Deepest Throat" :-) is that only 4-5 are under consideration. They truly are the sports model of current commercial jet aircraft in this country.
Interestingly "Deepest Throat" :-) (tm) also reckons that a real rumour might be about 4 of the repossesed or about to be repossesed 737's will be going to New Zealand for the use of QFNZ.
However this is truly a rumour with a lot less basis than the CRJ rumour. (If you know what I mean!)
Regards
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Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen and others....:-)
"deepest Throat" (tm) has issued more rantings that need reporting!
In a move that will upset many it appears that Kendall has surrendered it's High Capacity Air Operator's Certificate and taken up a low capacity AOC.
This certainly means the end of CRJ's in Kendall livery, solet us hope that the Government takes up some of these fine aircraft for the VIP fleet. This leaves Kendall flying SAAB's and Metroliners. So what happens to the CRJ drivers.... Nothing on the horizon at the moment. Not Good.
Of course this means that Kendall Airlines are turning back the clock years to survive. One of the more upsettings effects of recent aviation happenings in this country.
Further it appears that the highly respected and esteemed CEO of Kendall's has been given her marching orders. I hope this is wrong as she is one the most highly respected and liked figures in the industry. However "Deepest Throat" (tm) was quite clear about this.
We all know that things like this are going to happen given the shakeout that HAS to occur, but it still doesn't make these bits of news any more palatable.
Regards 100_Above
PS... OF course I stress these are rumours and as such may or may not be true.
"deepest Throat" (tm) has issued more rantings that need reporting!
In a move that will upset many it appears that Kendall has surrendered it's High Capacity Air Operator's Certificate and taken up a low capacity AOC.
This certainly means the end of CRJ's in Kendall livery, solet us hope that the Government takes up some of these fine aircraft for the VIP fleet. This leaves Kendall flying SAAB's and Metroliners. So what happens to the CRJ drivers.... Nothing on the horizon at the moment. Not Good.
Of course this means that Kendall Airlines are turning back the clock years to survive. One of the more upsettings effects of recent aviation happenings in this country.
Further it appears that the highly respected and esteemed CEO of Kendall's has been given her marching orders. I hope this is wrong as she is one the most highly respected and liked figures in the industry. However "Deepest Throat" (tm) was quite clear about this.
We all know that things like this are going to happen given the shakeout that HAS to occur, but it still doesn't make these bits of news any more palatable.
Regards 100_Above
PS... OF course I stress these are rumours and as such may or may not be true.
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Given that the date for final binding offers for Kendell have been extended for the second time until COB 29/10/2001, I think it is inappropriate to say anything about Staff and/or Turbojet operations. 
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100_Above:- I am led to believe that the reason for the dropping of the High Capacity AOC to a Low Capacity is one of economics, in that it is considerably cheaper to maintain a Low Capacity AOC than the other.
If KD is able to recover to a shadow of its CRJ operation days, I suspect it will be a very costly exercise to return to the High Capacity version. I'll bet poor Don K. is spinning in his grave by now.
Must agree about the departure of the CEO, she is one of the nicest people I have met, and one held in very high regard by the Tech Crews.
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TheNightOwl.
If KD is able to recover to a shadow of its CRJ operation days, I suspect it will be a very costly exercise to return to the High Capacity version. I'll bet poor Don K. is spinning in his grave by now.
Must agree about the departure of the CEO, she is one of the nicest people I have met, and one held in very high regard by the Tech Crews.
Regards to all,
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"Considerably cheaper to run a Low Capacity AOC"????? I assume you are refering to CASA charges and the like. This could be one of the reasons that airlines are dropping like flies. Why do we have to pay all these fees especially when peoples careers, families and, yes, even lives are at stake. Lets have a moritorium please.
And don't even get me started on the 50c it costs just to check the weather or ask a question- one of the biggest safety aspects of recent times and no one even blinks.
And don't even get me started on the 50c it costs just to check the weather or ask a question- one of the biggest safety aspects of recent times and no one even blinks.
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rpt2:- I only mentioned facts which are becoming widely known even as I mentioned it here.
And given the facts I am sure that the ramifications are obvious to anyone with half a brain!
And lets face it the Drivers in the aviation indusrty are not fools!
Also becasuse of the lack of real news the rumours getting around are causing great distress, at least I only used "deeepest Throat" <tm> rumours which have had a 100% hit rate so far...
Regards
100_above (The public Face of "deepest Throat" <tm>
And given the facts I am sure that the ramifications are obvious to anyone with half a brain!
And lets face it the Drivers in the aviation indusrty are not fools!
Also becasuse of the lack of real news the rumours getting around are causing great distress, at least I only used "deeepest Throat" <tm> rumours which have had a 100% hit rate so far...
Regards
100_above (The public Face of "deepest Throat" <tm>
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Hey there fellas....long time between drinks eh 
As far as the KD CEO being given marching orders, I can confirm that this is actually incorrect.
She resigned.
Kindest regards
GoGirl
As far as the KD CEO being given marching orders, I can confirm that this is actually incorrect.
She resigned.
Kindest regards
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The economic cost difference between a Low Capacity AOC and a High Capacity AOC is purely in the infrastructure costs imposed on a holder by the higher "standard" of compliance. Read the 'proposed' CASR Part 119 and count the dollar cost. This our estwhile regulatory authority tells us, is the way of the future.
I was saddened to hear of the departure of the KD CEO. Committed and knowledgable industry professionals like her are few and far between.
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I was saddened to hear of the departure of the KD CEO. Committed and knowledgable industry professionals like her are few and far between.
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Hi GG,
Hmmmm.......... Thank you for clearing the matter up...
I just hope she didnt resign because her position was made untenable!
Anyway hopefully she will pop up elsewhere in the industry as she is too good to lose. Everybody seems to have the same high regard for her and THAT is really something!
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100_above
Hmmmm.......... Thank you for clearing the matter up...
I just hope she didnt resign because her position was made untenable!
Anyway hopefully she will pop up elsewhere in the industry as she is too good to lose. Everybody seems to have the same high regard for her and THAT is really something!
Regards
100_above