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In the last couple of days I've wasted a lot of time chasing up posts which it now dawns on me no longer exists because, it appears, the originator of the thread decided to delete the original message for whatever reason.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If this is occuring then Pprune is doomed as open debate & free speech are the cornerstones of this BBS.
Woomera or one of his able assistants should be the only ones to exercise this power and, from my short experience, they only either lock or move threads - not delete them.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If this is occuring then Pprune is doomed as open debate & free speech are the cornerstones of this BBS.
Woomera or one of his able assistants should be the only ones to exercise this power and, from my short experience, they only either lock or move threads - not delete them.
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Red under the Bed,
As you have asked a direct question, I will give you a direct answer.
I have deleted ALL of my recent threads, please read thread "Woomera Dummy Spit", as I am sick of perfectly innocent threads being hijacked by people offering nothing but personal abuse, and insulting each other, for some reason these hijackers seem to be mainly from NZ????
I opened another thread PLEADING for this to stop, but it didn't, in fact THAT thread had to be locked by Woomera.........
I have exercised MY democratic right to delete these threads because they have been hijacked, and no longer remotely resembled why I started them.
I notice that it hasn't stopped it of course, it is still going on today on other threads, but at least I do not get an email every time someone is abusing another PPRuNer..........
"lame"
As you have asked a direct question, I will give you a direct answer.
I have deleted ALL of my recent threads, please read thread "Woomera Dummy Spit", as I am sick of perfectly innocent threads being hijacked by people offering nothing but personal abuse, and insulting each other, for some reason these hijackers seem to be mainly from NZ????
I opened another thread PLEADING for this to stop, but it didn't, in fact THAT thread had to be locked by Woomera.........
I have exercised MY democratic right to delete these threads because they have been hijacked, and no longer remotely resembled why I started them.
I notice that it hasn't stopped it of course, it is still going on today on other threads, but at least I do not get an email every time someone is abusing another PPRuNer..........
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I agree that lately there have been a few Kiwis who go way over the top and you have been on the wrong end of a lot of un-justified nonsense.
However,I think that you need to realise that we have been on the receiving end of FAR more abuse from your side of the Tassy over a much longer period than is necessary.
Examples include the Baaa!! thread, the Erebus thread, and the "Air NZ to go down" (or words to that effect)thread to name just a few.
You have been on the receiving end of SOME Kiwi's fighting back (which we are entitled to do) and I am sorry.
Girt_bar
I agree that lately there have been a few Kiwis who go way over the top and you have been on the wrong end of a lot of un-justified nonsense.
However,I think that you need to realise that we have been on the receiving end of FAR more abuse from your side of the Tassy over a much longer period than is necessary.
Examples include the Baaa!! thread, the Erebus thread, and the "Air NZ to go down" (or words to that effect)thread to name just a few.
You have been on the receiving end of SOME Kiwi's fighting back (which we are entitled to do) and I am sorry.
Girt_bar
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Girt_bar,
I agree with you, it was just on MY threads it was mainly people from NZ, I have purposely still NOT named them, I am sure they know who they are?
As I said I even started a separate thread PLEADING for everyone to just debate things, not attack other PPRuNers, and even that had to be closed down?
Best regards,
"lame"
PS, and this is the edit, you will NOT find my name on that Erebus thread, or any other ones like that, I was only posting news items in NZ and Australia, perfectly innocent threads I thought?????
[ 10 October 2001: Message edited by: lame ]
I agree with you, it was just on MY threads it was mainly people from NZ, I have purposely still NOT named them, I am sure they know who they are?
As I said I even started a separate thread PLEADING for everyone to just debate things, not attack other PPRuNers, and even that had to be closed down?
Best regards,
"lame"
PS, and this is the edit, you will NOT find my name on that Erebus thread, or any other ones like that, I was only posting news items in NZ and Australia, perfectly innocent threads I thought?????
[ 10 October 2001: Message edited by: lame ]
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lame if you believe stifling debate is democratic that's your opinion but if you have deleted ALL of [your] recent threads, then our mutual views of democracy are divergent, selectively would have sat better with me. One of those threads was quite civilised and the other was heating up and my last post on it gave the participants a 'heads-up' knowing Woomera's standards, or thinking I do. Why didn't you just lock them? I suspect the answer is the same as why you deleted them, in which case you are wrong.
As I said in the opening post; PPrune is in jeapordy if debate is stifled in such a manner if the original poster wants to play God with the direction the thread takes. One thing is true in the modern World, THE WWW IS ANARCHIC, get used to it.
As far as your personal feeings are concerned; try sitting on this side of the ditch for once when AN/ANZ rears its head! I admit to vigourously responding to some of the borax poked at kiwis but as far as I am concerned it's all grist for the mill and if you can't take it - don't join! (I don't infer BTW that you can't take it). As far as one particular post of yours; the one quoting the former head of Air Nelson was fair game for kiwis who have had to put up with that character for too many years, personally I wouldn't cross the road to p*ss on him if he was on fire, if he wasn't on fire I'd consider it. That is why I commented on that post.
Finally, it's your concious what you do with your posts but killing a thread, to my mind, is not an option - that's why they have forum moderators, don't do their job for them.
And; Finally II; I take my hat off to you for owning up, thank you for allowing me to post a counter view.
As I said in the opening post; PPrune is in jeapordy if debate is stifled in such a manner if the original poster wants to play God with the direction the thread takes. One thing is true in the modern World, THE WWW IS ANARCHIC, get used to it.
As far as your personal feeings are concerned; try sitting on this side of the ditch for once when AN/ANZ rears its head! I admit to vigourously responding to some of the borax poked at kiwis but as far as I am concerned it's all grist for the mill and if you can't take it - don't join! (I don't infer BTW that you can't take it). As far as one particular post of yours; the one quoting the former head of Air Nelson was fair game for kiwis who have had to put up with that character for too many years, personally I wouldn't cross the road to p*ss on him if he was on fire, if he wasn't on fire I'd consider it. That is why I commented on that post.
Finally, it's your concious what you do with your posts but killing a thread, to my mind, is not an option - that's why they have forum moderators, don't do their job for them.
And; Finally II; I take my hat off to you for owning up, thank you for allowing me to post a counter view.
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Red under the Bed,
I am NOT stopping debate, as I explained before I LOVE a good debate, these were NOT debates but just PPRuNers abusing each other.
Go right ahead and start similar threads yourself, nobody is stopping you, however I was sick of it all and getting an email every time there was MORE abuse on one of the threads I started.
It is NOT possible for me to lock a thread, only delete it. Equally IF a thread is locked, then I cannot delete it. (funny system??)
Best regards,
"lame"
I am NOT stopping debate, as I explained before I LOVE a good debate, these were NOT debates but just PPRuNers abusing each other.
Go right ahead and start similar threads yourself, nobody is stopping you, however I was sick of it all and getting an email every time there was MORE abuse on one of the threads I started.
It is NOT possible for me to lock a thread, only delete it. Equally IF a thread is locked, then I cannot delete it. (funny system??)
Best regards,
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lame I hadn't thought about emails and if they were abusive then that is unforgiveable; even if they were 'on thread' they were unforgiveable because if debate is to be free it also has to be open (I don't know if that has been said before but if it hasn't, feel free to quote me - with acknowledgements of course 
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I'm fairly new to the revamped PPrune, I lost patience when it went through its metamorphisis,and do not know what you can or cannot do.I thought locking a thread was an option for the poster, may be an email to Woomera?
If you do get abusive emails in futue let me know, you can hold me coat.
).I'm fairly new to the revamped PPrune, I lost patience when it went through its metamorphisis,and do not know what you can or cannot do.I thought locking a thread was an option for the poster, may be an email to Woomera?
If you do get abusive emails in futue let me know, you can hold me coat.
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lame,
I think you speak with forked tongue old chap. There is no doubt you are definitely paranoid. You say on other threads that you are not interested in debate only news, because of the 'abuse and attacks'. Now , finally you are engaging in a debate and what do you know, it's all the Kiwis doing it. Fancy that. You are obsessed with Air NZ. Get a life mate.
Edited because no sense of humour. Forgot to mention that. If you can't take a bit of s*** then
go to the Barbie Doll forum
[ 11 October 2001: Message edited by: Skol ]
[ 11 October 2001: Message edited by: Skol ]
I think you speak with forked tongue old chap. There is no doubt you are definitely paranoid. You say on other threads that you are not interested in debate only news, because of the 'abuse and attacks'. Now , finally you are engaging in a debate and what do you know, it's all the Kiwis doing it. Fancy that. You are obsessed with Air NZ. Get a life mate.
Edited because no sense of humour. Forgot to mention that. If you can't take a bit of s*** then
go to the Barbie Doll forum
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Skol, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story mate, will ya? Ever heard of attack the ball and not the player?
Take a really good look at yourself and at your last post. Yep, I admit I waded into the "Baa" thread, but only to post a joke that had been emailed to me and I felt that perhaps a bit of a laugh may have been enjoyed by some (even at my own expense - GET IT?)
Life's too short, enjoy what's left of it. lame, keep at it mate, don't run away.
CJ.
Take a really good look at yourself and at your last post. Yep, I admit I waded into the "Baa" thread, but only to post a joke that had been emailed to me and I felt that perhaps a bit of a laugh may have been enjoyed by some (even at my own expense - GET IT?)
Life's too short, enjoy what's left of it. lame, keep at it mate, don't run away.
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Skol,
I just cannot make you out???????
Where did I say about NOT debating????????
In fact what I said several times, was that I really ENJOY a good debate, even if it gets a little heated, but what I do NOT enjoy, is when people, usually ones that have nothing sensible to say, resort to insulting or abusing people, INSTEAD of debating the topic..........
You will note that I have still NOT used abuse towards you, or tried to belittle you, as you seem to try to do in most of your postings, not only to me but in lots of other posts too.
"lame"
PS, and the edit, not that it is any of your business, but I have absolutely nothing against Air NZ. In fact the last time I flew home to Australia from the USA it was with Air NZ from LA, a VERY pleasant flight indeed.
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I just cannot make you out???????
Where did I say about NOT debating????????
In fact what I said several times, was that I really ENJOY a good debate, even if it gets a little heated, but what I do NOT enjoy, is when people, usually ones that have nothing sensible to say, resort to insulting or abusing people, INSTEAD of debating the topic..........
You will note that I have still NOT used abuse towards you, or tried to belittle you, as you seem to try to do in most of your postings, not only to me but in lots of other posts too.
"lame"
PS, and the edit, not that it is any of your business, but I have absolutely nothing against Air NZ. In fact the last time I flew home to Australia from the USA it was with Air NZ from LA, a VERY pleasant flight indeed.
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Thanks Skol
And I know what you mean about selective morality but I guess it is sometimes better to bite one's tongue or fingers in this case.
I am now into my 3rd century of posts. I feel like a veteran.
And I know what you mean about selective morality but I guess it is sometimes better to bite one's tongue or fingers in this case.
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Interesting discussion here but for Red and others who are a bit confused about our policy here.
First a reiteration of the PPRuNe Vow.
Simple.
Not revamped so much as being less tolerant of abuse.
Abuse and civilised discussion are two quite different animals.
Moderators moderate on that basis. We do not censor other than on the above criterion.
We do not take sides as moderators and this is the most difficult part if the offenders are predominately from one side.
A poster can delete his OWN post or thread and that is his right but not others.
Moderators and Admin are the only ones that can lock, delete or move a thread, or "censor" a post. Once a thread is moved. say to admin for further study, Admin are the only ones who can move it back.
Moderators can't bin posters without processing the request throughout Admin.
The whole thing relies on us all conducting and behaving ourselves in a mature and civilised manner befitting the important resonsibilities bestowed upon us by the privileges of the licenses which most of us hold.
Interesting discussion here but for Red and others who are a bit confused about our policy here.
First a reiteration of the PPRuNe Vow.
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Not revamped so much as being less tolerant of abuse.
Abuse and civilised discussion are two quite different animals.
Moderators moderate on that basis. We do not censor other than on the above criterion.
We do not take sides as moderators and this is the most difficult part if the offenders are predominately from one side.
A poster can delete his OWN post or thread and that is his right but not others.
Moderators and Admin are the only ones that can lock, delete or move a thread, or "censor" a post. Once a thread is moved. say to admin for further study, Admin are the only ones who can move it back.
Moderators can't bin posters without processing the request throughout Admin.
The whole thing relies on us all conducting and behaving ourselves in a mature and civilised manner befitting the important resonsibilities bestowed upon us by the privileges of the licenses which most of us hold.
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Thanks Woomera, that's clear but I'm a bit uneasy about the thread initiator 'owning' the thread. I'd have thought that once the thread is commenced "WE" own it. That's the beauty, or ought to be, of PPrune and the WWW as a whole. We could go on discussing this here but it ought be discussed in what other circles you guys (moderators) work in. Only the BBS managers can delete a thread once started would be my feeling - I'm not for total anarchy but some is OK.
BTW Woomera you do great job.
BTW Woomera you do great job.
